- In 1994, the murders of Ron Goldman and Nicole Brown Simpson led to the so-called trial of the century, which ended that a not guilty verdict for accused killer OJ Simpson. Years later, he was found liable for both deaths in civil court. And the media circus around it all forced the Goldman family to deal with personal trauma in a very public spotlight. Ron's younger sister, Kim, is here to share how it inspired her mission to advocate for victims and families who faced similar tragedies. Please welcome my friend, Kim Goldman. [APPLAUSE] So Kim, we have kept in contact through the years because I think your work has been so incredible and so important in the memory of your brother. And it has been 28 years since your older-- KIM GOLDMAN: I know. SUNNY HOSTIN: It's 28 years since you lost your older brother, Ron. You were front and center in the televised trial of the century, which forced you to grieve and heal in a very public way. Looking back, what was that moment like for you, hearing the jury let OJ Simpson walk free? Have you found any sort of closure? - I felt betrayed, if I'm totally honest. I sat through that trial just along with the jury and couldn't figure out how they could render such a verdict. I felt sad that I disappointed and let my brother down. So the first place I went was to the cemetery to essentially apologize. But over the years, I've learned to sort of process that and put those two feelings, of feeling betrayal and loss and understanding, in places where they helped me heal a little bit better. But closure is-- closure is not something that victims and survivors actually understand or process. And it's kind of a word we reject a little. - Yeah. Yeah, I know. Well, since Ron's murder, you've met with families across the country who have faced similar public tragedies. You recently launched a podcast about it called "Media Circus," where you share the stories of high profile crimes as told by the victims and families. What was your biggest revelation after speaking with these families? - You know, it came off the idea of I wrote a book a handful of years ago with the same title. And it was interesting to me because I wanted to go behind the scenes and really put the focus on where it should be, which is victims and survivors and what we do in the face of trauma and the aftermath and really highlighting our courage and our resiliency because the media often highlights our anger and our sadness. And then they cast us aside. But most victims and survivors do incredible work. They go on to lobby and advocate and become incredible voices for others that are feeling pain. So the podcast, for me, was a great way to kind of highlight that and put the focus where it needs to be. And talking to these victims and survivors, I was inspired by the resiliency, like I said, and their tenacity and their love and their willingness to be an acceptance and forgiveness for some, but just really their battle with media-- excuse me-- with media and how to navigate that to make sure that their story is front and center. - Well, your brother's murder trial certainly changed the media landscape and how we watch television. And in your podcast, you explore how the media got it right, got it wrong, and got in the way. I love that. What do you think the media generally gets wrong when it covers high profile cases? Do they get things right, anything? - I think sometimes they do. But the rush to tell the story before everybody else, and now the media is battling with social media. And everybody that has a phone has now become a journalist and a photographer. So I think there's a rush to get the story out there without fact checking and without always having the integrity that we used to see. And I think it comes at a cost and a sacrifice to victims and survivors because we now have to battle. Do we want to engage in correcting the record? Do we want to engage and put ourselves in a vulnerable position by telling the truth and correcting the falsehoods? Because that opens up a whole other can of worms. And you end up in a kind of a vicious cycle of how much to put yourself out there and then how much to retreat to preserve your sanity and your anonymity and privacy. - Well it's striking to me that there just seems to be this growing American obsession with true crime. Having been a federal prosecutor, I don't love true crime because I've seen it. I've been to crime scenes. I've interviewed hundreds of survivors. But this past week, Netflix announced it is expanding Ryan Murphy's-- what they're calling Monster Franchise, despite the backlash from victims' families over his "Dahmer" series. And let's not forget another one of his series, "The People versus OJ Simpson," which many feel exploited your family's own trauma. How triggering was this? And do you think the victim's family should be involved in the creative process of these dramas somehow? And I also have wondered and never asked you, would you have cooperated if Ryan Murphy reached out to you? - It's very layered because I understand the rub that Hollywood has. Do we always have to include everybody? And what kind of a mess would that create? And I can kind of understand that that isn't a game and a party that they want to invite victims to. But there isn't even a shred of dignity or humanity that extends, an email that says, hey, this is what we're doing, just a heads up. Here's a preview of it so that what we're doing. That isn't even part of the conversation. When we asked Ryan Murphy when he did the story on our family, can we see the first episode and maybe we'll support you? No. We were flat out told no, you're going to watch right along with everybody. And it's kind of disgusting. You're using our stories to move your own career forward or to profit from it. But you can't even extend a little bit of humanity to let us into the process, to even give us a heads up? It's very jarring to flip across the channel and see your story and your family's story on the number one show for the month or whatever. And it puts us in a place of feeling out of control, used, taken advantage of. And I I'm saddened that that's where we're at these days because the level of humanity is just in the toilet, if I can be honest. - Well, your brother's murder trial had a lasting impact, in my view. But all too often, the media forgets to talk about the loved ones lost. So what do you want most people to remember about your brother? KIM GOLDMAN: You know, I always am very grateful that I'm asked this question. And over the years, I've shared some wonderful heartwarming stories that my brother and I had growing up. But I think at this time I I've sort of moved to the best way I can describe my brother is who he was in the last moments of his life. He stayed to fight. He stayed to protect his friend. He didn't run. And he lost his life out of a sense of loyalty and obligation and protection, which is how I know him as my brother. And as many times as I wish that he would have been a little bit more selfless that night, it wouldn't have been true to his core. And I'm proud that he was-- right up into his last seconds, he was his authentic self. And his act of heroism is how I want people to remember him. - Oh, that's beautiful. Well, thank you for speaking with me, my friend, today, Kim. Check out Kim Goldman's podcast, "Media Circus." It's available right now Thanks, Kim. - Thank you very much. [MUSIC PLAYING]