FIVE AMERICANS RELEASED FROM IRAN IN A DRAMATIC EXCHANGE NOW IRAN IN A DRAMATIC EXCHANGE NOW HEADED BACK TO THE US. HEADED BACK TO THE US. I'M KAYNA WHITWORTH HERE IN LOS I'M KAYNA WHITWORTH HERE IN LOS ANGELES WITH OUR BIG STORY. ANGELES WITH OUR BIG STORY. THE AMERICANS ON A FLIGHT THE AMERICANS ON A FLIGHT TO WASHINGTON AND AFTER LANDING TO WASHINGTON AND AFTER LANDING IN QATAR EARLIER TODAY. IN QATAR EARLIER TODAY. THIS IS THE THIS IS THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION CRITICISM BIDEN ADMINISTRATION CRITICISM OVER THE RELEASE OF $6 BILLION OVER THE RELEASE OF $6 BILLION IN FROZEN IRANIAN OIL MONEY. IN FROZEN IRANIAN OIL MONEY. I'LL SPEAK A REP FOR THE FAMILY I'LL SPEAK A REP FOR THE FAMILY OF ONE OF THE AMERICANS, SIAMAK OF ONE OF THE AMERICANS, SIAMAK NAMAZI. NAMAZI. NOW, AFTER SPENDING YEARS NOW, AFTER SPENDING YEARS BEHIND BARS IN IRAN AND IN BEHIND BARS IN IRAN AND IN OUR SPOTLIGHT. OUR SPOTLIGHT. PRINCE WILLIAM VISITING PRINCE WILLIAM VISITING NEW YORK CITY, THE SECOND NEW YORK CITY, THE SECOND EARTHSHOT INNOVATION SUMMIT EARTHSHOT INNOVATION SUMMIT AS THE FIGHT AGAINST CLIMATE AS THE FIGHT AGAINST CLIMATE GROWS MORE URGENT BY THE DAY. GROWS MORE URGENT BY THE DAY. CAN CELEBRITIES, EVEN ROYAL CAN CELEBRITIES, EVEN ROYAL ONES, REALLY MOVE THAT NEEDLE? ONES, REALLY MOVE THAT NEEDLE? WELL, WE BEGIN WITH BIG STORY. WELL, WE BEGIN WITH BIG STORY. FIVE AMERICANS NOW FREE HEADED FIVE AMERICANS NOW FREE HEADED BACK TO THE U.S., THIS PRISONER BACK TO THE U.S., THIS PRISONER SWAP WITH IRAN. SWAP WITH IRAN. RIGHT NOW, THEY ARE FLYING RIGHT NOW, THEY ARE FLYING TO WASHINGTON WHERE THEIR LOVED TO WASHINGTON WHERE THEIR LOVED ONES ARE AWAITING THEIR RETURN. ONES ARE AWAITING THEIR RETURN. SO GENSER, A REPRESENTATIVE FOR SO GENSER, A REPRESENTATIVE FOR ONE OF THOSE AMERICANS, KIMOCK ONE OF THOSE AMERICANS, KIMOCK NAMAZI, JOINING US NOW. NAMAZI, JOINING US NOW. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE WITH US. BEING HERE WITH US. AND JARED, FIRST OF ALL, HOW HE AND JARED, FIRST OF ALL, HOW HE DOING? DOING? >> I'VE NEVER SEEN HIM SMILE SO >> I'VE NEVER SEEN HIM SMILE SO WIDE. WIDE. IT'S BEEN AN EXTRAORDINARY DAY, IT'S BEEN AN EXTRAORDINARY DAY, OBVIOUSLY, AND IT'S THE DAYS OBVIOUSLY, AND IT'S THE DAYS LONG FROM OVER THERE ONLINE LONG FROM OVER THERE ONLINE AND IN THE WASHINGTON AREA AND IN THE WASHINGTON AREA UNTIL ABOUT 3 A.M. NOW UNTIL ABOUT 3 A.M. NOW WITH SOME DELAYS AND GETTING WITH SOME DELAYS AND GETTING STARTED THIS MORNING. STARTED THIS MORNING. SO IT'S GOING TO BE A LONG SO IT'S GOING TO BE A LONG NIGHT, I THINK. NIGHT, I THINK. BUT IT'S GOING TO BE AN BUT IT'S GOING TO BE AN EXTRAORDINARY DAY FOR EXTRAORDINARY DAY FOR THE DEMANDS. THE DEMANDS. I MEAN, NAMAZI HAS SPENT ALMOST I MEAN, NAMAZI HAS SPENT ALMOST EIGHT YEARS AS A HOSTAGE EIGHT YEARS AS A HOSTAGE IN IRAN. IN IRAN. THAT'S WORTH THAT. THAT'S WORTH THAT. HIS FATHER ALSO SPENT MANY HIS FATHER ALSO SPENT MANY YEARS AS A HOSTAGE IN IRAN YEARS AS A HOSTAGE IN IRAN HIMSELF. HIMSELF. HE WENT BACK TO TRY TO VISIT HE WENT BACK TO TRY TO VISIT HIS SON, WHO WAS HELD HIS SON, WHO WAS HELD INCOMMUNICADO IN TEHRAN'S EVIN INCOMMUNICADO IN TEHRAN'S EVIN PRISON FOR MANY MONTHS. PRISON FOR MANY MONTHS. AND HE HE WAS GOING TO BE AND HE HE WAS GOING TO BE ALLOWED TO SEE HIM. ALLOWED TO SEE HIM. AND WHEN HE LANDED BACK IN AND WHEN HE LANDED BACK IN TEHRAN, HE WAS TAKEN TO HAVE TEHRAN, HE WAS TAKEN TO HAVE THE PRESIDENT HIMSELF AT THE THE PRESIDENT HIMSELF AT THE AGE OF 79 YEARS OLD. AGE OF 79 YEARS OLD. HE SPENT THREE YEARS IN JAIL, HE SPENT THREE YEARS IN JAIL, ALMOST DIED IN PRISON, AND THEN ALMOST DIED IN PRISON, AND THEN SEVERAL MORE YEARS IN JAIL EVEN SEVERAL MORE YEARS IN JAIL EVEN AFTER HE WAS RELEASED AFTER HE WAS RELEASED ON MEDICAL GROUNDS. ON MEDICAL GROUNDS. AND THEY WOULDN'T LET HIM LEAVE AND THEY WOULDN'T LET HIM LEAVE THE COUNTRY. THE COUNTRY. AND SO HE ONLY GOT OUT AND SO HE ONLY GOT OUT ACTUALLY ABOUT A YEAR AND A ACTUALLY ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF AGO. HALF AGO. AND THIS IS GOING TO BE AND THIS IS GOING TO BE THE FIRST TIME THAT THE FAMILY THE FIRST TIME THAT THE FAMILY WILL HAVE BEEN TOGETHER WILL HAVE BEEN TOGETHER IN ALMOST NINE YEARS. IN ALMOST NINE YEARS. >> WOW. >> WOW. AND YOU HAVE BEEN PROVIDING AND YOU HAVE BEEN PROVIDING PRO-BONO COUNSEL TO MAZI NOW PRO-BONO COUNSEL TO MAZI NOW FOR AT LEAST SEVEN YEARS, FOR AT LEAST SEVEN YEARS, SEVEN PLUS. SEVEN PLUS. >> SEVEN AND A HALF, YEAH. >> SEVEN AND A HALF, YEAH. SO HE SAYS YOU NEVER GAVE UP SO HE SAYS YOU NEVER GAVE UP ON HIM DURING THIS UPHILL ON HIM DURING THIS UPHILL BATTLE FOR FREEDOM. BATTLE FOR FREEDOM. >> WHAT DID IT TAKE TO GET >> WHAT DID IT TAKE TO GET TO THIS POINT? TO THIS POINT? YOU KNOW, I THINK MOST YOU KNOW, I THINK MOST AMERICANS WOULD BE SHOCKED AMERICANS WOULD BE SHOCKED AND DISMAYED TO LEARN AND DISMAYED TO LEARN HOW DIFFICULT IS. HOW DIFFICULT IS. YOU KNOW, YOU WOULD THINK, YOU KNOW, YOU WOULD THINK, YOU KNOW, AMERICAN HOSTAGE YOU KNOW, AMERICAN HOSTAGE TAKING IRAN, A HIGH PROFILE TAKING IRAN, A HIGH PROFILE ISSUE, SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE ISSUE, SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE CARE ABOUT AND FOCUS ON. CARE ABOUT AND FOCUS ON. AND THE REALITY IS, IS THAT AND THE REALITY IS, IS THAT THIS HAS NOT BEEN A TOP THIS HAS NOT BEEN A TOP PRIORITY. PRIORITY. AMERICAN PRESIDENTS, DEMOCRAT AMERICAN PRESIDENTS, DEMOCRAT AND REPUBLICAN, OVER MANY, MANY AND REPUBLICAN, OVER MANY, MANY YEARS. YEARS. LOTS OF LOVE SERVICES GIVEN LOTS OF LOVE SERVICES GIVEN TO IT. TO IT. I MEAN, I IF I HAD A PENNY FOR I MEAN, I IF I HAD A PENNY FOR EVERY TIME THAT A EVERY TIME THAT A PRESIDENT OVER MULTIPLE PRESIDENT OVER MULTIPLE ADMINISTRATIONS AND I'VE WORKED ADMINISTRATIONS AND I'VE WORKED ON THIS CASE, YOU KNOW, SAID, ON THIS CASE, YOU KNOW, SAID, YOU KNOW, WE DEMAND AN YOU KNOW, WE DEMAND AN IMMEDIATE AND UNCONDITIONAL IMMEDIATE AND UNCONDITIONAL RELEASE. RELEASE. THESE AMERICAN HOSTAGES, I'D THESE AMERICAN HOSTAGES, I'D BE A MILLIONAIRE BY NOW. BE A MILLIONAIRE BY NOW. BUT RHETORIC IS ABOUT ACTION, BUT RHETORIC IS ABOUT ACTION, YOU KNOW, AND AT THE END OF THE YOU KNOW, AND AT THE END OF THE DAY, I THINK WHAT'S MOST DAY, I THINK WHAT'S MOST TELLING IS IS ACTUALLY THE FACT TELLING IS IS ACTUALLY THE FACT THAT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THAT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN MINIMIZES HIS EXPERIENCE MINIMIZES HIS EXPERIENCE WITH PRESIDENT OBAMA AND DONALD WITH PRESIDENT OBAMA AND DONALD TRUMP WERE ACTUALLY EXACTLY TRUMP WERE ACTUALLY EXACTLY THE SAME. THE SAME. AND LET ME JUST EXPLAIN BRIEFLY AND LET ME JUST EXPLAIN BRIEFLY WHAT I MEAN BY THAT. WHAT I MEAN BY THAT. OBAMA STRUCK THE NUCLEAR OBAMA STRUCK THE NUCLEAR DEAL IN JANUARY OF 2016 AND GOT DEAL IN JANUARY OF 2016 AND GOT ALL THE OTHER HOSTAGES OUT ALL THE OTHER HOSTAGES OUT EXCEPT FOR SEEM LIKE A HE WAS EXCEPT FOR SEEM LIKE A HE WAS ONLY ONE LEFT BEHIND. ONLY ONE LEFT BEHIND. SECRETARY KERRY SAID HE'D SECRETARY KERRY SAID HE'D BE OUT WITHIN WEEKS. BE OUT WITHIN WEEKS. INSTEAD, THE FATHER GETS INSTEAD, THE FATHER GETS DETAINED AND BECOMES A HOSTAGE DETAINED AND BECOMES A HOSTAGE FOR MANY YEARS. FOR MANY YEARS. SO AT THE END, THE OBAMA SO AT THE END, THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION, SIAMAK NAMAZI ADMINISTRATION, SIAMAK NAMAZI AND BACKROOM ZERO, BOTH AND BACKROOM ZERO, BOTH HOSTAGES ARE ON. HOSTAGES ARE ON. THEN DONALD TRUMP BECOMES THEN DONALD TRUMP BECOMES PRESIDENT. PRESIDENT. AND WE THINK, GOSH, MAXIMUM AND WE THINK, GOSH, MAXIMUM PRESSURE CAMPAIGN ON IRAN. PRESSURE CAMPAIGN ON IRAN. THIS IS GOING TO HAVE A REAL THIS IS GOING TO HAVE A REAL IMPACT. IMPACT. AND IT TURNED OUT THAT IT WAS AND IT TURNED OUT THAT IT WAS A ZERO PRESSURE CAMPAIGN A ZERO PRESSURE CAMPAIGN ON RELEASING HOSTAGES. ON RELEASING HOSTAGES. I CAN'T POINT TO A SINGLE THING I CAN'T POINT TO A SINGLE THING THE FOUR YEARS WE FOUGHT THE FOUR YEARS WE FOUGHT WITH THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION WITH THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION TO GIVE MORE THAT TO GIVE MORE THAT TRUMP ADMINISTRATION. TRUMP ADMINISTRATION. DID THAT ACTUALLY PUT ANY DID THAT ACTUALLY PUT ANY SIGNIFICANT PRESSURE ON IRAN SIGNIFICANT PRESSURE ON IRAN TO RELEASE OUR HOSTAGES. TO RELEASE OUR HOSTAGES. AND WORSE THAN THAT, FOR AND WORSE THAN THAT, FOR THE DEMANDS THEY WERE PROMISED THE DEMANDS THEY WERE PROMISED THAT THEY WOULD NEVER BE LEFT THAT THEY WOULD NEVER BE LEFT BEHIND AGAIN. BEHIND AGAIN. AND PRESIDENT TRUMP GOT AND PRESIDENT TRUMP GOT TWO MORE AMERICAN HOSTAGES OUT TWO MORE AMERICAN HOSTAGES OUT OF IRAN WHO BEEN TAKEN LATER. OF IRAN WHO BEEN TAKEN LATER. AND AT THE END OF THE AND AT THE END OF THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION. TRUMP ADMINISTRATION. AND BOB GRAHAM AUSSIE AND BOB GRAHAM AUSSIE ARE HOSTAGES IN IRAN. ARE HOSTAGES IN IRAN. SO IF YOU ASK THEM WHAT'S SO IF YOU ASK THEM WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN MAXIMUM THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN MAXIMUM PRESSURE AND, YOU KNOW, PRESSURE AND, YOU KNOW, CRITICAL ENGAGEMENT, THE ANSWER CRITICAL ENGAGEMENT, THE ANSWER IS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. IS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. >> WELL, AND YOU'VE TALKED >> WELL, AND YOU'VE TALKED ABOUT HIS FATHER HERE MANY ABOUT HIS FATHER HERE MANY TIMES. TIMES. WHAT ABOUT HIS MOTHER? WHAT ABOUT HIS MOTHER? SHE WAS ALSO WRAPPED IN ALL SHE WAS ALSO WRAPPED IN ALL OF THIS. OF THIS. >> AND WHAT WERE THEY DOING >> AND WHAT WERE THEY DOING IN IRAN? IN IRAN? I MEAN, THE FAMILY CAME OUT I MEAN, THE FAMILY CAME OUT AFTER THE THE REVOLUTION AFTER THE THE REVOLUTION IN 1982 AND ALL BECAME IN 1982 AND ALL BECAME NATURALIZED AMERICANS. NATURALIZED AMERICANS. AND BAKA NAMAZI, THE FATHER, AND BAKA NAMAZI, THE FATHER, A 30 PLUS YEAR CAREER A 30 PLUS YEAR CAREER WITH UNICEF, AND THEN WITH UNICEF, AND THEN THE MASSES KNOW, DID THE MASSES KNOW, DID WHAT PEOPLE DO, YOU KNOW, WHAT PEOPLE DO, YOU KNOW, IN THE UNITED STATES LIKE IN THE UNITED STATES LIKE THE DIFFERENT WORK AND STUDY THE DIFFERENT WORK AND STUDY OPPORTUNITIES AS WELL. OPPORTUNITIES AS WELL. AND AFTER MANY, MANY YEARS AND AFTER MANY, MANY YEARS AWAY, BAKER AND HIS WIFE ATHINA AWAY, BAKER AND HIS WIFE ATHINA MARCY DECIDED THEY WOULD RETURN MARCY DECIDED THEY WOULD RETURN TO IRAN FOR THE RETIREMENT. TO IRAN FOR THE RETIREMENT. AND, YOU KNOW, THIS BEGAN A FEW AND, YOU KNOW, THIS BEGAN A FEW YEARS AFTER THEY WENT TO RETIRE YEARS AFTER THEY WENT TO RETIRE AND SHE WENT BACK TO VISIT THEM AND SHE WENT BACK TO VISIT THEM FOR A FAMILY EVENT. FOR A FAMILY EVENT. AND HE HAD PASSPORTS TAKEN, AND HE HAD PASSPORTS TAKEN, STARTED TO BE QUESTIONED DAILY STARTED TO BE QUESTIONED DAILY BY THE IRANIAN REVOLUTIONARY BY THE IRANIAN REVOLUTIONARY GUARDS A FEW MONTHS LATER, THEN GUARDS A FEW MONTHS LATER, THEN GOT DETAINED. GOT DETAINED. AND THIS IS WHEN THE FAMILY AND THIS IS WHEN THE FAMILY NETWORK BEGAN. NETWORK BEGAN. IF THERE'S ONE PERSON IF THERE'S ONE PERSON WHO SUFFERED SILENTLY MORE THAN WHO SUFFERED SILENTLY MORE THAN ANYBODY ELSE OVER THESE YEARS ANYBODY ELSE OVER THESE YEARS AND WHOSE STRENGTH AND DIGNITY AND WHOSE STRENGTH AND DIGNITY WAS AN INSPIRATION TO ME EVERY WAS AN INSPIRATION TO ME EVERY DAY, IT WAS AN AMAZING BECAUSE DAY, IT WAS AN AMAZING BECAUSE SHE LIVED WITH THESE ANIMALS SHE LIVED WITH THESE ANIMALS IN IRAN AND WITH THE IRANIAN IN IRAN AND WITH THE IRANIAN GUARDS FOR ALL OF THESE YEARS GUARDS FOR ALL OF THESE YEARS ON. ON. FIRST, HER SON GETS THEN FIRST, HER SON GETS THEN HER HUSBAND GETS DETAINED. HER HUSBAND GETS DETAINED. FINALLY, HER HUSBAND OUT AFTER FINALLY, HER HUSBAND OUT AFTER THREE YEARS. THREE YEARS. BUT HE'S VERY SICK AND ILL BUT HE'S VERY SICK AND ILL AND SHE HAS TO TAKE CARE AND SHE HAS TO TAKE CARE OF HIM. OF HIM. FINALLY, WE GET HIM OUT. FINALLY, WE GET HIM OUT. BUT SHE REFUSED TO LEAVE IRAN. BUT SHE REFUSED TO LEAVE IRAN. SHE WOULDN'T LEAVE HER BEHIND. SHE WOULDN'T LEAVE HER BEHIND. AND SO SHE STAYED BEHIND IN AN AND SO SHE STAYED BEHIND IN AN APARTMENT BY HERSELF FOR APARTMENT BY HERSELF FOR THE LAST AND A HALF, ALMOST THE LAST AND A HALF, ALMOST TWO YEARS. TWO YEARS. I'M HOPING AND PRAYING I'M HOPING AND PRAYING THAT THIS NETWORK WOULD COME THAT THIS NETWORK WOULD COME TO END AND SHE WOULD NOT LEAVE TO END AND SHE WOULD NOT LEAVE IRAN UNTIL THE MOMENT THERE. IRAN UNTIL THE MOMENT THERE. HER SON WAS FREE AND THAT WAS HER SON WAS FREE AND THAT WAS TODAY. TODAY. AND SO, YOU KNOW, THE WHOLE AND SO, YOU KNOW, THE WHOLE FAMILY HAS JUST BEEN THROUGH FAMILY HAS JUST BEEN THROUGH SOMETHING UNIMAGINABLE FOR SOMETHING UNIMAGINABLE FOR PEOPLE. PEOPLE. AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, THERE'S AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A BIG DEBATE NOW, OBVIOUSLY, A BIG DEBATE NOW, OBVIOUSLY, OVER THE $6 BILLION PAID FROM OVER THE $6 BILLION PAID FROM IRANIAN FUNDS. IRANIAN FUNDS. DOES THIS ENCOURAGE HOSTAGE DOES THIS ENCOURAGE HOSTAGE TAKING? TAKING? AND I ACTUALLY THINK AND I ACTUALLY THINK THAT THAT'S THE WRONG QUESTION THAT THAT'S THE WRONG QUESTION TO ASK. TO ASK. I THINK THE REAL QUESTION I THINK THE REAL QUESTION TO ASK IS WHY IS IT THAT IRAN TO ASK IS WHY IS IT THAT IRAN AND SO MANY OTHER COUNTRIES AND SO MANY OTHER COUNTRIES AROUND THE WORLD CAN TAKE AROUND THE WORLD CAN TAKE HOSTAGES WITH SUCH IMPUNITY? HOSTAGES WITH SUCH IMPUNITY? AND TO ME, THE ANSWER AND TO ME, THE ANSWER IS OBVIOUS, WHICH NO GOVERNMENT IS OBVIOUS, WHICH NO GOVERNMENT IN THE WORLD, INCLUDING IN THE WORLD, INCLUDING THE UNITED STATES, DOES THE UNITED STATES, DOES ANYTHING SERIOUS. ANYTHING SERIOUS. OUR HOSTAGES ARE TAKEN. OUR HOSTAGES ARE TAKEN. AND AT THE END OF THE DAY, AND AT THE END OF THE DAY, WHILE WE HAMMOND AND WE SAY WE WHILE WE HAMMOND AND WE SAY WE DON'T PAY RANSOMS AND WE DON'T DON'T PAY RANSOMS AND WE DON'T WANT TO DO ANYTHING, WANT TO DO ANYTHING, ULTIMATELY, YOU KNOW, ULTIMATELY, YOU KNOW, THE UNITED STATES AND EVERY THE UNITED STATES AND EVERY OTHER COUNTRY IN THE OTHER COUNTRY IN THE WORLD MAKES, THE PAYMENTS WE WORLD MAKES, THE PAYMENTS WE DON'T WANT TO MAKE OR MAKES DON'T WANT TO MAKE OR MAKES THE POLICY CONCESSIONS TO GET THE POLICY CONCESSIONS TO GET OUR PEOPLE OUT. OUR PEOPLE OUT. AND WHAT WE NEED TO DO AND WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS SOMETHING VERY, VERY IS SOMETHING VERY, VERY DIFFERENT AND CREATE DRACONIAN DIFFERENT AND CREATE DRACONIAN DISINCENTIVES FOR HOSTAGE DISINCENTIVES FOR HOSTAGE TAKING COUNTRIES AND NOT JUST TAKING COUNTRIES AND NOT JUST DO IT AS THE UNITED STATES, DO IT AS THE UNITED STATES, BUT DO IT WITH 20, 30, BUT DO IT WITH 20, 30, 40 COUNTRIES AROUND THE WORLD. 40 COUNTRIES AROUND THE WORLD. AND THAT MIGHT ACTUALLY CHANGE AND THAT MIGHT ACTUALLY CHANGE THE CALCULUS FOR THESE THE CALCULUS FOR THESE COUNTRIES. COUNTRIES. BUT DOING IT ALONE, AS THE BUT DOING IT ALONE, AS THE UNITED STATES HASN'T WORKED FOR UNITED STATES HASN'T WORKED FOR MORE THAN 40 YEARS AND STILL MORE THAN 40 YEARS AND STILL LOOKING FOR SOME SORT OF GLOBAL LOOKING FOR SOME SORT OF GLOBAL COALITION. COALITION. JARED GENSER, WE REALLY JARED GENSER, WE REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR TIME HERE. APPRECIATE YOUR TIME HERE. AGAIN, HE'S THE AGAIN, HE'S THE REPRESENTATIVE FOR THE NAMAZI REPRESENTATIVE FOR THE NAMAZI FAMILY. FAMILY. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US. US. I NOW WANT TO BRING OUR BIG I NOW WANT TO BRING OUR BIG STORY TO OUR PANEL. STORY TO OUR PANEL. SO JOINING TODAY IS OUR SO JOINING TODAY IS OUR ABC NEWS CONTRIBUTOR MIKE MUSE, ABC NEWS CONTRIBUTOR MIKE MUSE, CONTRIBUTOR AND FORMER CONTRIBUTOR AND FORMER REPUBLICAN CONGRESSMAN FOR REPUBLICAN CONGRESSMAN FOR NEW YORK JOHN KATKO. NEW YORK JOHN KATKO. ABC NEWS CONTRIBUTING ABC NEWS CONTRIBUTING POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT AND COAUTHOR OF THE POLITICO AND COAUTHOR OF THE POLITICO PLAYBOOK NEWSLETTER BAY AND ABC PLAYBOOK NEWSLETTER BAY AND ABC NEWS NATIONAL SECURITY NEWS NATIONAL SECURITY AND DEFENSE ANALYST. AND DEFENSE ANALYST. MICK MULROY, THANK YOU SO MUCH MICK MULROY, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE WITH US THIS FOR BEING HERE WITH US THIS EVENING. EVENING. NOW THESE AMERICANS WRONGFULLY NOW THESE AMERICANS WRONGFULLY DETAINED, CONVICTED ON DETAINED, CONVICTED ON ESPIONAGE CHARGES THAT THEY ESPIONAGE CHARGES THAT THEY THE U.S., CONTINUE TO REFUTE THE U.S., CONTINUE TO REFUTE HERE. HERE. BUT JOHN, I'D LIKE TO START BUT JOHN, I'D LIKE TO START HERE WITH YOU. HERE WITH YOU. WHAT IS YOUR REACTION TO THE WHAT IS YOUR REACTION TO THE REPRESENTATIVE FOR REPRESENTATIVE FOR THE FORESEEABLE NAMAZI FAMILY THE FORESEEABLE NAMAZI FAMILY THERE AS REPUBLICANS THERE AS REPUBLICANS ON THE HILL RIGHT NOW ON THE HILL RIGHT NOW ARE BLASTING THIS PRISONER SWAP ARE BLASTING THIS PRISONER SWAP AND ACCUSING WHITE AND ACCUSING WHITE HOUSE OF PAYING A RANSOM? HOUSE OF PAYING A RANSOM? >> WELL, IT STRIKES ME >> WELL, IT STRIKES ME AS BITTERSWEET. AS BITTERSWEET. LET'S TAKE THE SWEET FIRST. LET'S TAKE THE SWEET FIRST. THE SWEET IS THAT THESE THESE THE SWEET IS THAT THESE THESE HOSTAGES AND THAT'S WHAT THE HOSTAGES AND THAT'S WHAT THE ATTORNEY JUST DESCRIBED THEM ATTORNEY JUST DESCRIBED THEM AS, HOSTAGES ARE BEING REUNITED AS, HOSTAGES ARE BEING REUNITED WITH THEIR FAMILIES AND THEY'RE WITH THEIR FAMILIES AND THEY'RE FINALLY GOING TO BE FREE. FINALLY GOING TO BE FREE. THAT'S A WONDERFUL THING. THAT'S A WONDERFUL THING. BUT HERE'S THE BITTER PART, BUT HERE'S THE BITTER PART, AND IT'S THE DANGEROUS PART. AND IT'S THE DANGEROUS PART. WE JUST GAVE $6 BILLION TO THE WE JUST GAVE $6 BILLION TO THE LARGEST STATE SPONSOR TERRORISM LARGEST STATE SPONSOR TERRORISM IN THE WORLD. IN THE WORLD. THAT'S IRAN. THAT'S IRAN. AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE WE WOULD NEVER DO. WE WOULD NEVER DO. AND THAT SENDS A VERY BAD AND THAT SENDS A VERY BAD MESSAGE. MESSAGE. AND I THINK PUTS PEOPLE, AND I THINK PUTS PEOPLE, AMERICANS THAT ARE IN HOTSPOTS AMERICANS THAT ARE IN HOTSPOTS AROUND THE WORLD AND A LITTLE AROUND THE WORLD AND A LITTLE BIT MORE DANGER THAN THEY MIGHT BIT MORE DANGER THAN THEY MIGHT HAVE BEEN OTHERWISE BECAUSE BAD HAVE BEEN OTHERWISE BECAUSE BAD PEOPLE ONLY KNOW STRENGTH PEOPLE ONLY KNOW STRENGTH AND BAD PEOPLE ONLY NO AND BAD PEOPLE ONLY NO LEVERAGE. LEVERAGE. AND I THINK THEY HAVE LEVERAGE AND I THINK THEY HAVE LEVERAGE NOW ON FUTURE US. NOW ON FUTURE US. SUCH SITUATIONS. SUCH SITUATIONS. AND AGAIN, I'M VERY HAPPY FOR AND AGAIN, I'M VERY HAPPY FOR THE FAMILIES AND WELL DESERVED THE FAMILIES AND WELL DESERVED THAT THEY'RE OUT OF THEIR THAT THEY'RE OUT OF THEIR BUT IT WAS A PRETTY HEAVY PRICE BUT IT WAS A PRETTY HEAVY PRICE TO PAY. TO PAY. AND WE'LL SEE WHETHER AND WE'LL SEE WHETHER IT'S GOING TO HAVE BAD DOWN IT'S GOING TO HAVE BAD DOWN THE ROAD. THE ROAD. >> AND RACHEL, YOU KNOW, >> AND RACHEL, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE THAT THE BIDEN WHITE YOU HAVE THAT THE BIDEN WHITE HOUSE ANTICIPATED SOME PUSHBACK HOUSE ANTICIPATED SOME PUSHBACK HERE. HERE. AND NOW SENATE MINORITY LEADER AND NOW SENATE MINORITY LEADER MITCH MCCONNELL IS FIRING MITCH MCCONNELL IS FIRING AT PRESIDENT. AT PRESIDENT. HE'S SAYING HE'S REWARDING HE'S SAYING HE'S REWARDING THE AND EVEN INCENTIVIZING THE AND EVEN INCENTIVIZING TEHRAN'S BAD BEHAVIOR. TEHRAN'S BAD BEHAVIOR. HE CALLED THE BIDEN HE CALLED THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION WEAK AND, ADMINISTRATION WEAK AND, DESPERATE. DESPERATE. SO HOW'S THE WHITE SO HOW'S THE WHITE HOUSE HANDLING THAT KIND HOUSE HANDLING THAT KIND OF CRITICISM. OF CRITICISM. >> >> WELL, YOU KNOW, >> >> WELL, YOU KNOW, THEY TRIED TO GET AHEAD OF IT. THEY TRIED TO GET AHEAD OF IT. I MEAN, WE HEARD FROM I MEAN, WE HEARD FROM JOHN KIRBY, A SPOKESMAN FOR JOHN KIRBY, A SPOKESMAN FOR THE ADMINISTRATION, AS THIS WAS THE ADMINISTRATION, AS THIS WAS SORT OF PLAYING OUT EARLIER SORT OF PLAYING OUT EARLIER TODAY. TODAY. AND HE EMPHASIZED A COUPLE AND HE EMPHASIZED A COUPLE OF THINGS. OF THINGS. ONE, THAT THIS $6 BILLION ONE, THAT THIS $6 BILLION IS NOT TAXPAYER MONEY IS NOT TAXPAYER MONEY BEING PAID TO IRAN. BEING PAID TO IRAN. >> IT'S MONEY THAT WAS FROZEN >> IT'S MONEY THAT WAS FROZEN THAT OWED TO IRAN FROM OTHER THAT OWED TO IRAN FROM OTHER COUNTRIES AND THAT COUNTRIES AND THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE RECEIVING. THEY'RE GOING TO BE RECEIVING. THEY'VE ALSO BEEN TRYING ARGUE THEY'VE ALSO BEEN TRYING ARGUE THAT THIS IS GOING TO GO THAT THIS IS GOING TO GO TO HUMANITARIAN ASSISTANCE TO HUMANITARIAN ASSISTANCE IN IRAN. IN IRAN. IT'S NOT GOING TO BE FUNDING IT'S NOT GOING TO BE FUNDING OTHER THINGS. OTHER THINGS. AND THINGS. AND THINGS. AND OBVIOUSLY, IRAN HAS SORT AND OBVIOUSLY, IRAN HAS SORT OF PUSH BACK THAT. OF PUSH BACK THAT. >> SO WE'LL SEE IF >> SO WE'LL SEE IF THEY ACTUALLY STICK WITH THAT THEY ACTUALLY STICK WITH THAT PROMISE. PROMISE. AND THEN LASTLY, ALSO SAW AND THEN LASTLY, ALSO SAW THE ADMINISTRATION SLAP ON NEW THE ADMINISTRATION SLAP ON NEW SANCTIONS ON SOME IRANIAN SANCTIONS ON SOME IRANIAN LEADERS TODAY. LEADERS TODAY. >> SO CLEARLY, THEY ANTICIPATED >> SO CLEARLY, THEY ANTICIPATED BLOWBACK. BLOWBACK. >> AND IT'S JUST THE START >> AND IT'S JUST THE START OF THIS. OF THIS. I MEAN, I WOULDN'T BE SURPRISED I MEAN, I WOULDN'T BE SURPRISED ,AS WE'VE HEARD FROM MITCH ,AS WE'VE HEARD FROM MITCH MCCONNELL TODAY, MCCONNELL TODAY, LINDSEY GRAHAM, TOM COTTON, LINDSEY GRAHAM, TOM COTTON, FOLKS IN THE HOUSE AND FOLKS IN THE HOUSE AND REPUBLICANS CONTROL THE LOWER REPUBLICANS CONTROL THE LOWER CHAMBER RIGHT NOW. CHAMBER RIGHT NOW. SO I DO THINK YOU'RE GOING SO I DO THINK YOU'RE GOING TO SEE POTENTIAL INVESTIGATIONS TO SEE POTENTIAL INVESTIGATIONS INTO THIS CERTAINLY INTO THIS CERTAINLY SOME FIREWORKS LIKE HEARINGS SOME FIREWORKS LIKE HEARINGS WITH LOT OF FIREWORKS ON THIS. WITH LOT OF FIREWORKS ON THIS. AND IT'S CERTAINLY NOT GOING AND IT'S CERTAINLY NOT GOING TO BE THE END OF GRIPING FROM TO BE THE END OF GRIPING FROM REPUBLICANS ABOUT THIS. REPUBLICANS ABOUT THIS. >> YEAH, AND MAKE TO YOU, >> YEAH, AND MAKE TO YOU, HOW DOES THIS PRISONER SWAP HOW DOES THIS PRISONER SWAP COMPARE TO PAST EXCHANGE COMPARE TO PAST EXCHANGE AS YOU'VE WITNESSED? AS YOU'VE WITNESSED? AND WHAT IS YOUR TAKE AND WHAT IS YOUR TAKE ON THE DECISION TO RELEASE ON THE DECISION TO RELEASE THAT OIL BACK TO IRAN, EVEN IF THAT OIL BACK TO IRAN, EVEN IF IT IS EARMARKED? IT IS EARMARKED? >> SO CERTAINLY A GOOD DAY FOR >> SO CERTAINLY A GOOD DAY FOR THE FIVE AMERICANS THAT THE FIVE AMERICANS THAT ARE COMING HOME. ARE COMING HOME. AND I WOULD AGREE THEY ARE AND I WOULD AGREE THEY ARE POLITICAL. POLITICAL. THEY WERE POLITICAL PRISONERS. THEY WERE POLITICAL PRISONERS. I THINK THE CONCERNS I THINK THE CONCERNS ABOUT RELEASING THIS AMOUNT ABOUT RELEASING THIS AMOUNT OF MONEY ARE VALID THIS COULD OF MONEY ARE VALID THIS COULD ENTICE OTHER COUNTRIES AND IRAN ENTICE OTHER COUNTRIES AND IRAN AND RUSSIA TO DO THE SAME AND RUSSIA TO DO THE SAME IN THE FUTURE. IN THE FUTURE. I THINK IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT I THINK IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT THAT THE ADMINISTRATION HAS THAT THE ADMINISTRATION HAS TRIED TO TAKE STEPS SUCH TRIED TO TAKE STEPS SUCH AS ONLY ALLOWING THIS MONEY AS ONLY ALLOWING THIS MONEY TO BE RERELEASED TO VETTED TO BE RERELEASED TO VETTED COMPANIES, NOT IRANIAN COMPANIES, NOT IRANIAN COMPANIES THAT THEY CAN MONITOR COMPANIES THAT THEY CAN MONITOR IN THE FUTURE. IN THE FUTURE. AND IF THEY DO VIOLATE THAT, AND IF THEY DO VIOLATE THAT, THEY CAN CUT OFF. THEY CAN CUT OFF. BUT I THINK THE CONCERNS BUT I THINK THE CONCERNS ARE VALID THAT THIS MIGHT ARE VALID THAT THIS MIGHT ENTICE OTHER COUNTRIES TO DO ENTICE OTHER COUNTRIES TO DO THIS AND GRAB AMERICANS FOR THIS AND GRAB AMERICANS FOR THE SAME PURPOSES. THE SAME PURPOSES. CERTAINLY A CONCERN. CERTAINLY A CONCERN. AND MIKE MEANS TO YOU ON THAT AND MIKE MEANS TO YOU ON THAT FRONT, THIS MONEY UNFROZEN WE FRONT, THIS MONEY UNFROZEN WE MENTIONED IS SUPPOSED TO BE MENTIONED IS SUPPOSED TO BE EARMARKED FOR HUMANITARIAN EARMARKED FOR HUMANITARIAN FUNDS. FUNDS. HOW ARE THEY GOING TO MONITOR HOW ARE THEY GOING TO MONITOR THAT? THAT? >> WELL, THEY'RE GOING TO MERGE >> WELL, THEY'RE GOING TO MERGE WITH A THIRD PARTY SYSTEM. WITH A THIRD PARTY SYSTEM. BUT WHAT I ENJOY ABOUT THIS BUT WHAT I ENJOY ABOUT THIS IS THAT THE THIRD PARTY WOULD IS THAT THE THIRD PARTY WOULD BE ABLE TO MONITOR EXACTLY BE ABLE TO MONITOR EXACTLY WHAT IT IS THE IRANIANS WHAT IT IS THE IRANIANS ACTUALLY ARE REQUESTING IN THE ACTUALLY ARE REQUESTING IN THE CATEGORY OF MEDICAL ASSISTANCE CATEGORY OF MEDICAL ASSISTANCE AND OTHER SUPPLIES UPON MAKING AND OTHER SUPPLIES UPON MAKING THE REQUEST THEN TO A THIRD THE REQUEST THEN TO A THIRD PARTY VENDOR. PARTY VENDOR. THEN THEY WILL GO OUT THEN THEY WILL GO OUT AND ACTUALLY PURCHASE AND ACTUALLY PURCHASE THE ACTUAL GOODS THAT ARE THE ACTUAL GOODS THAT ARE BEING REQUESTED. BEING REQUESTED. SO IRANIANS WILL NEVER SO IRANIANS WILL NEVER ACTUALLY WILL BE ABLE TO SEE ACTUALLY WILL BE ABLE TO SEE THIS MONEY DIRECTLY, WHICH THIS MONEY DIRECTLY, WHICH IS ACTUALLY THEIR MONEY AND NOT IS ACTUALLY THEIR MONEY AND NOT THE AMERICAN. THE AMERICAN. I THINK THAT'S GOING TO COME I THINK THAT'S GOING TO COME DOWN TO THE BATTLE OF MESSAGING DOWN TO THE BATTLE OF MESSAGING AND, WHETHER OR NOT THE BIDEN AND, WHETHER OR NOT THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION CAN GET OUT ADMINISTRATION CAN GET OUT THE MESSAGE THAT, ONE, THIS AN THE MESSAGE THAT, ONE, THIS AN AMERICAN TAXPAYER MONEY. AMERICAN TAXPAYER MONEY. >> TWO, THERE WILL BE A THIRD >> TWO, THERE WILL BE A THIRD PARTY CONTROL OF ACTUAL FLOW PARTY CONTROL OF ACTUAL FLOW OF SOURCES AND GOODS. OF SOURCES AND GOODS. AND REALLY AT BOTTOM LINE IS, AND REALLY AT BOTTOM LINE IS, IS THAT WE REALLY NEED IS THAT WE REALLY NEED TO REEXAMINE AND REACTIVATING TO REEXAMINE AND REACTIVATING THE IRAN NUCLEAR DEAL THAT THE IRAN NUCLEAR DEAL THAT UNDER PRESIDENT TRUMP WAS UNDER PRESIDENT TRUMP WAS WHAT THE AMERICANS WALKED AWAY WHAT THE AMERICANS WALKED AWAY FROM. FROM. I THINK THAT IS IN. I THINK THAT IS IN. QUESTION AND I'M QUESTION AND I'M ACTUALLY WONDERING WHETHER ACTUALLY WONDERING WHETHER IS ACTUALLY A PRISONER SWAP IS ACTUALLY A PRISONER SWAP WITH THE $6 BILLION RE WITH THE $6 BILLION RE ALLOCATION STEPS TOWARDS ALLOCATION STEPS TOWARDS DIPLOMACY AND REACTIVATING DIPLOMACY AND REACTIVATING THAT IRAN NUCLEAR DEAL SHOWING THAT IRAN NUCLEAR DEAL SHOWING THAT AMERICANS ARE OPERATING THAT AMERICANS ARE OPERATING IN SOME TYPE OF GOOD FAITH IN SOME TYPE OF GOOD FAITH AND MEASURE TO MOVE FORWARD AND MEASURE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH A LARGER DEAL TO BE PUT WITH A LARGER DEAL TO BE PUT IN PLACE. IN PLACE. >> ALL OF YOU RAISING GOOD >> ALL OF YOU RAISING GOOD POINTS AND GOOD QUESTIONS. POINTS AND GOOD QUESTIONS. MIKE MEUSE, JOHN KATKO, MIKE MEUSE, JOHN KATKO, RACHEL BATE AND MICK MULROY, RACHEL BATE AND MICK MULROY, THANKS TO ALL OF YOU THIS THANKS TO ALL OF YOU THIS EVENING. EVENING. >> AND COMING UP NEXT HERE >> AND COMING UP NEXT HERE IN OUR SPOTLIGHT, BRITAIN'S IN OUR SPOTLIGHT, BRITAIN'S PRINCE WILLIAM VISITING PRINCE WILLIAM VISITING NEW YORK TO RAISE AWARENESS FOR NEW YORK TO RAISE AWARENESS FOR THE FIGHT AGAINST CLIMATE THE FIGHT AGAINST CLIMATE CHANGE. CHANGE. BUT CAN A ROYAL AIR AND OTHER BUT CAN A ROYAL AIR AND OTHER CELEBRITIES REALLY MOVE CELEBRITIES REALLY MOVE THAT NEEDLE? THAT NEEDLE? PLUS, IN OUR LAST, THE ABOUT PLUS, IN OUR LAST, THE ABOUT FACE FROM DREW BARRYMORE. FACE FROM DREW BARRYMORE. HER ANNOUNCEMENT AFTER, HER ANNOUNCEMENT AFTER, A BACKLASH FROM STRIKING ACTORS A BACKLASH FROM STRIKING ACTORS AND WRITERS. AND WRITERS. STAY WITH US FOR EVERYTHING STAY WITH US FOR EVERYTHING YOU NEED TO KNOW. YOU NEED TO KNOW. >> I LOVE THAT. >> I LOVE THAT. MAYBE MAYBE PRINCE WILLIAM MAYBE MAYBE PRINCE WILLIAM VISITING NEW YORK AHEAD OF THE VISITING NEW YORK AHEAD OF THE EARTHSHOT PRIZE INNOVATION EARTHSHOT PRIZE INNOVATION SUMMIT, THE EVENT THAT HE SUMMIT, THE EVENT THAT HE FOUNDED SUPPORTING THE FIGHT FOUNDED SUPPORTING THE FIGHT AGAINST CHANGE. AGAINST CHANGE. THE PRINCE'S VISIT COMES AS BIG THE PRINCE'S VISIT COMES AS BIG NAMES GATHER FOR THE CLINTON NAMES GATHER FOR THE CLINTON GLOBAL INITIATIVE AND WORLD GLOBAL INITIATIVE AND WORLD LEADERS ATTEND THE UNITED LEADERS ATTEND THE UNITED GENERAL ASSEMBLY. GENERAL ASSEMBLY. BOTH OF THOSE EVENTS ALSO BOTH OF THOSE EVENTS ALSO IN NEW YORK, WHICH ALSO IN NEW YORK, WHICH ALSO RIGHT NOW HOSTING ITS ANNUAL RIGHT NOW HOSTING ITS ANNUAL CLIMATE WEEK. CLIMATE WEEK. SO AS THE CLIMATE CRISIS GROWS SO AS THE CLIMATE CRISIS GROWS MORE URGENT BY THE DAY. MORE URGENT BY THE DAY. WE ARE LOOKING AT WEATHER WE ARE LOOKING AT WEATHER ROYALS AND OTHER CELEBRITIES ROYALS AND OTHER CELEBRITIES CAN REALLY MOVE THAT NEEDLE CAN REALLY MOVE THAT NEEDLE WITH SO MUCH STAKE. WITH SO MUCH STAKE. SO I WANT TO BRING BACK MY SO I WANT TO BRING BACK MY PANEL HERE, MIKE MYERS, PANEL HERE, MIKE MYERS, JOHN KATKO, RACHEL BAY JOHN KATKO, RACHEL BAY AND SANTIAGO ALI, THE CLIMATE AND SANTIAGO ALI, THE CLIMATE CHANGE ACTIVIST AND VICE CHANGE ACTIVIST AND VICE PRESIDENT FOR JUSTICE AT THE PRESIDENT FOR JUSTICE AT THE NATIONAL WILDLIFE FEDERATION. NATIONAL WILDLIFE FEDERATION. THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING. THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING. AND MIKE, STARTING WITH YOU AND MIKE, STARTING WITH YOU HERE. HERE. A LOT OF FAMOUS FACES ATTENDING A LOT OF FAMOUS FACES ATTENDING A STAR STUDDED EVENTS. A STAR STUDDED EVENTS. THEY'RE CLEARLY RAISING THEY'RE CLEARLY RAISING AWARENESS, BUT DO THEY REALLY AWARENESS, BUT DO THEY REALLY MAKE A DIFFERENCE? MAKE A DIFFERENCE? >> I THINK THEY ACTUALLY DO. >> I THINK THEY ACTUALLY DO. I THINK THEY ACTUALLY HELP I THINK THEY ACTUALLY HELP BRING AWARENESS AND INCREASE BRING AWARENESS AND INCREASE THE MESSAGING THAT NEEDS TO GO THE MESSAGING THAT NEEDS TO GO OUT THERE. OUT THERE. IN PARTICULAR WAS INTERESTING IN PARTICULAR WAS INTERESTING ABOUT PRINCE WILLIAM'S ABOUT PRINCE WILLIAM'S EARTHSHOT IS THAT I LOOK AT IT EARTHSHOT IS THAT I LOOK AT IT ALMOST AS AN INCUBATOR AND THE ALMOST AS AN INCUBATOR AND THE WAY THAT YOU LOOK AT FOUNDERS WAY THAT YOU LOOK AT FOUNDERS SILICON VALLEY AND IT SENDS SILICON VALLEY AND IT SENDS LET'S DEVELOP AN IDEA INCUBATED LET'S DEVELOP AN IDEA INCUBATED ,THEN SCALE IT WITH OTHER ,THEN SCALE IT WITH OTHER INVESTORS. INVESTORS. THAT IS THE GOAL OF IT IS TO THAT IS THE GOAL OF IT IS TO BRING THESE CHANGE ACTIVISTS BRING THESE CHANGE ACTIVISTS WHO HAD THESE BIG, BRILLIANT WHO HAD THESE BIG, BRILLIANT IDEAS, PAIR THEM IDEAS, PAIR THEM WITH POLICYMAKERS, INVESTORS WITH POLICYMAKERS, INVESTORS TO HELP SCALE AND AT GROWTH TO HELP SCALE AND AT GROWTH TO IT AS WELL. TO IT AS WELL. >> THE THOUGH IS THAT WE HAVE >> THE THOUGH IS THAT WE HAVE TO LOOK AT CLIMATE SCIENCE FOR TO LOOK AT CLIMATE SCIENCE FOR A MORE NUANCED PERSPECTIVE. A MORE NUANCED PERSPECTIVE. JUST DON'T BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE JUST DON'T BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE DONE THAT. DONE THAT. WE ONLY LOOK AT FROM WE ONLY LOOK AT FROM TRADITIONALLY A POLAR BEARS, TRADITIONALLY A POLAR BEARS, A GREEN STRAWS. A GREEN STRAWS. BUT THERE'S SO MUCH MORE NUANCE BUT THERE'S SO MUCH MORE NUANCE INVOLVED IN CLIMATE CHANGE INVOLVED IN CLIMATE CHANGE AND I'M HOPING MORE INDIVIDUALS AND I'M HOPING MORE INDIVIDUALS HAVE LARGER PLATFORMS. HAVE LARGER PLATFORMS. WHAT TALK ABOUT SO OTHER WHAT TALK ABOUT SO OTHER PRESSING ISSUES. PRESSING ISSUES. >> AND WHEN IT COMES TO NUANCE >> AND WHEN IT COMES TO NUANCE MOUSTAFA, TO YOU, YOU KNOW, MOUSTAFA, TO YOU, YOU KNOW, THESE CLIMATE EVENTS ARE ABOUT THESE CLIMATE EVENTS ARE ABOUT THESE BIG NAMES AND BIG DONORS THESE BIG NAMES AND BIG DONORS . . WHAT IS THE BIGGEST CHALLENGE WHAT IS THE BIGGEST CHALLENGE TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERY TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERY COMMUNITY IS INCLUDED IN THESE COMMUNITY IS INCLUDED IN THESE INITIATIVES? INITIATIVES? >> WELL, MAKING SURE THAT OUR >> WELL, MAKING SURE THAT OUR MOST VULNERABLE COMMUNITIES, MOST VULNERABLE COMMUNITIES, THOSE COMMUNITIES ARE COMING THOSE COMMUNITIES ARE COMING FROM THE FRONT LINES, FROM THE FRONT LINES, ARE PLAYING A CRITICAL ROLE, ARE PLAYING A CRITICAL ROLE, NOT JUST IN THE EVENTS, NOT JUST IN THE EVENTS, BUT ALSO AS BEGIN TO FRAME OUT BUT ALSO AS BEGIN TO FRAME OUT STRUCTURES IN MAKING SURE STRUCTURES IN MAKING SURE THAT THEIR VOICES ARE HELPING THAT THEIR VOICES ARE HELPING US TO BUILD THE RIGHT CRITERIA US TO BUILD THE RIGHT CRITERIA SO THAT THEIR COMMUNITIES SO THAT THEIR COMMUNITIES ARE NOT AND THAT THEIR VOICES ARE NOT AND THAT THEIR VOICES ARE HELPING TO LEAD IN THE ARE HELPING TO LEAD IN THE DIRECTION THAT WE HAVE TO MOVE. DIRECTION THAT WE HAVE TO MOVE. >> AND JOHN, YOU KNOW, >> AND JOHN, YOU KNOW, IN CALIFORNIA WHERE I'M AT, IN CALIFORNIA WHERE I'M AT, WE'RE NO STRANGER TO CLIMATE WE'RE NO STRANGER TO CLIMATE DRIVEN DISASTERS. DRIVEN DISASTERS. AND THE STATE IS ACTUALLY SUING AND THE STATE IS ACTUALLY SUING OIL GIANT, SAYING OIL GIANT, SAYING THEY DOWNPLAYED THE EFFECTS THEY DOWNPLAYED THE EFFECTS FOSSIL FUELS FOR DECADES. FOSSIL FUELS FOR DECADES. DO YOU THINK THAT THAT IS A DO YOU THINK THAT THAT IS A TREND WE MIGHT CONTINUE TO SEE TREND WE MIGHT CONTINUE TO SEE FROM LAWMAKERS? FROM LAWMAKERS? >> I THINK YOU SEE ALL KINDS >> I THINK YOU SEE ALL KINDS OF TRENDS TRYING TO ATTACK OF TRENDS TRYING TO ATTACK THE CLIMATE CHANGE ISSUE. THE CLIMATE CHANGE ISSUE. IT IS IT IS UBIQUITOUS ISSUE. IT IS IT IS UBIQUITOUS ISSUE. BUT I DO WANT TO GIVE BUT I DO WANT TO GIVE SOME PRAISE TO THE PRINCE FOR SOME PRAISE TO THE PRINCE FOR OUR FOR A MINUTE. OUR FOR A MINUTE. HE'S INCENTIVIZING THE PRIVATE HE'S INCENTIVIZING THE PRIVATE SECTOR RISING ABOVE POLITICS SECTOR RISING ABOVE POLITICS AND RISING ABOVE GOVERNMENT AND RISING ABOVE GOVERNMENT REGULATION AND PROVIDING AN REGULATION AND PROVIDING AN INCENTIVE SOMETIMES YOU HIT INCENTIVE SOMETIMES YOU HIT HOME RUNS WITH. HOME RUNS WITH. AND I THINK IT'S A GREAT AND I THINK IT'S A GREAT INCENTIVE THAT HE'S DOING AND I INCENTIVE THAT HE'S DOING AND I THINK HE'S BRINGING A LOT THINK HE'S BRINGING A LOT OF AWARENESS TO IT AS FAR OF AWARENESS TO IT AS FAR AS THE LAWSUITS THAT WE'RE AS THE LAWSUITS THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE COMING. GOING TO BE COMING. PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO ATTACK PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO ATTACK US FROM ANGLES. US FROM ANGLES. BUT I LOVE THE INCENTIVIZATION BUT I LOVE THE INCENTIVIZATION OF PRIVATE SECTOR GOOD THINGS OF PRIVATE SECTOR GOOD THINGS OFTEN WHEN YOU DO THAT, OFTEN WHEN YOU DO THAT, AND CERTAINLY MAYBE INCENTIVES AND CERTAINLY MAYBE INCENTIVES WILL MOVE THAT NEEDLE. WILL MOVE THAT NEEDLE. AND RACHEL, TO YOU, BOTH AND RACHEL, TO YOU, BOTH DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS ALSO DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS ALSO APPEAR TO AT LEAST COMING TO A APPEAR TO AT LEAST COMING TO A CONSENSUS HERE THAT CLIMATE CONSENSUS HERE THAT CLIMATE IS CHANGING. IS CHANGING. SO WHY IS CONGRESS FAILING SO WHY IS CONGRESS FAILING TO ACT ON LEGISLATION? TO ACT ON LEGISLATION? WHAT IS REALLY GETTING DONE WHAT IS REALLY GETTING DONE IN WASHINGTON? IN WASHINGTON? WELL, I MEAN, BOTH PARTIES HAVE WELL, I MEAN, BOTH PARTIES HAVE DIFFERENT IDEAS ABOUT HOW DIFFERENT IDEAS ABOUT HOW TO ACTUALLY ADDRESS CLIMATE TO ACTUALLY ADDRESS CLIMATE CHANGE. CHANGE. YOU'RE RIGHT THAT REPUBLICANS YOU'RE RIGHT THAT REPUBLICANS INCREASINGLY ARE ACKNOWLEDGING INCREASINGLY ARE ACKNOWLEDGING THAT THEY DO BELIEVE CLIMATE THAT THEY DO BELIEVE CLIMATE CHANGE IS REAL AND THAT CHANGE IS REAL AND THAT SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE DONE SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE DONE ABOUT IT. ABOUT IT. BUT AT THE SAME TIME, YOU STILL BUT AT THE SAME TIME, YOU STILL DO HAVE PEOPLE LIKE DO HAVE PEOPLE LIKE VIVEK RAMASWAMY, WHO'S RUNNING VIVEK RAMASWAMY, WHO'S RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT IN 2024 SAYING, FOR PRESIDENT IN 2024 SAYING, YOU KNOW CLIMATE CHANGE IS A YOU KNOW CLIMATE CHANGE IS A HOAX. HOAX. SO EVEN THOUGH YOU KNOW, THERE SO EVEN THOUGH YOU KNOW, THERE IS A GROWING CONSENSUS ON THIS, IS A GROWING CONSENSUS ON THIS, THERE'S STILL A LOT THERE'S STILL A LOT OF DIVISION. OF DIVISION. >> WE SEE DEMOCRATS, WHEN >> WE SEE DEMOCRATS, WHEN THEY CONTROLLED ALL OF THEY CONTROLLED ALL OF WASHINGTON, PASSED HUNDREDS WASHINGTON, PASSED HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS OF DOLLARS WORTH OF BILLIONS OF DOLLARS WORTH OF TAX TO TRY TO COMBAT CLIMATE OF TAX TO TRY TO COMBAT CLIMATE CHANGE. CHANGE. BUT UNTIL, YOU KNOW, ONE PARTY BUT UNTIL, YOU KNOW, ONE PARTY SORT OF CONTROLS THINGS, SORT OF CONTROLS THINGS, IT'S KIND OF HARD TO MOVE IT'S KIND OF HARD TO MOVE LEGISLATION ON A TOPIC LEGISLATION ON A TOPIC THAT DIVIDES PEOPLE SO MUCH THAT DIVIDES PEOPLE SO MUCH AND WHERE EVERYBODY HAS AND WHERE EVERYBODY HAS A DIFFERENT ABOUT HOW A DIFFERENT ABOUT HOW TO ADDRESS IT. TO ADDRESS IT. >> RIGHT. >> RIGHT. CERTAINLY A HUGE DIVISION. CERTAINLY A HUGE DIVISION. THANK YOU TO ALL OF YOU. THANK YOU TO ALL OF YOU. THANKS TO OUR PANELISTS THIS THANKS TO OUR PANELISTS THIS EVENING. EVENING. AND COMING UP IN OUR NEXT HERE AND COMING UP IN OUR NEXT HERE . . >> IT'S OUR LAST CALL, >> IT'S OUR LAST CALL, THE ANNOUNCEMENT FROM DREW THE ANNOUNCEMENT FROM DREW BARRYMORE, HER TALK SHOW AFTER BARRYMORE, HER TALK SHOW AFTER A BACKLASH FROM SUPPORTERS A BACKLASH FROM SUPPORTERS STRIKING AND WRITERS. STRIKING AND WRITERS. OUR PANEL RETURNS AFTER OUR PANEL RETURNS AFTER THE BREAK ABC NEWS LIVE . IT'S TIME NOW FOR OUR LAST CALL . . DREW BARRYMORE HAS PAUSED DREW BARRYMORE HAS PAUSED PRODUCTION OF HER DAYTIME TALK PRODUCTION OF HER DAYTIME TALK SHOW DUE TO BACKLASH AMID SHOW DUE TO BACKLASH AMID THE ONGOING WRITERS AND ACTORS THE ONGOING WRITERS AND ACTORS STRIKES. STRIKES. AFTER ANNOUNCING SHOW WOULD AFTER ANNOUNCING SHOW WOULD RETURN WITHOUT ITS THREE UNION RETURN WITHOUT ITS THREE UNION WRITERS SUNDAY. WRITERS SUNDAY. IN A STATEMENT POSTED IN A STATEMENT POSTED TO INSTAGRAM, BARRYMORE SAYS TO INSTAGRAM, BARRYMORE SAYS SHE MADE THE DECISION TO PAUSE SHE MADE THE DECISION TO PAUSE THE SHOW'S PREMIERE UNTIL THE SHOW'S PREMIERE UNTIL THE STRIKE IS OVER, APOLOGIZING THE STRIKE IS OVER, APOLOGIZING TO THOSE SHE MAY HAVE HURT, TO THOSE SHE MAY HAVE HURT, INCLUDING HER, QUOTE, INCLUDING HER, QUOTE, INCREDIBLE TEAM, WHO WORKS INCREDIBLE TEAM, WHO WORKS ON THE SHOW AND HAS MADE IT ON THE SHOW AND HAS MADE IT WHAT IT IS TODAY. WHAT IT IS TODAY. >> NOW, THE STATEMENT AFTER SHE >> NOW, THE STATEMENT AFTER SHE DEFENDED HER DECISION IN A NOW DEFENDED HER DECISION IN A NOW DELETED INSTAGRAM VIDEO DELETED INSTAGRAM VIDEO CLAIMING THE SHOW WAS NOT GOING CLAIMING THE SHOW WAS NOT GOING TO BREAK ANY RULES. TO BREAK ANY RULES. >> TAKE A LISTEN. >> TAKE A LISTEN. WE AREN'T GOING TO BREAK RULES WE AREN'T GOING TO BREAK RULES AND WE WILL BE IN COMPLETE AND WE WILL BE IN COMPLETE HANDS. HANDS. I WANTED TO DO THIS BECAUSE, I WANTED TO DO THIS BECAUSE, AS I SAID, THIS IS BIGGER THAN AS I SAID, THIS IS BIGGER THAN ME. ME. AND THERE ARE OTHER PEOPLE'S AND THERE ARE OTHER PEOPLE'S JOBS ON THE LINE. JOBS ON THE LINE. >> I WANT TO BRING BACK PANEL >> I WANT TO BRING BACK PANEL NOW MIKE MYERS, JOHN KATKO, NOW MIKE MYERS, JOHN KATKO, RACHEL BAY, MUSTAFA SANTIAGO, RACHEL BAY, MUSTAFA SANTIAGO, ALL TO DISCUSS THIS BACKLASH. ALL TO DISCUSS THIS BACKLASH. FOLLOWING THIS CBS DECIDED FOLLOWING THIS CBS DECIDED TO PAUSE THE SEASON PREMIERE TO PAUSE THE SEASON PREMIERE OF ITS SHOW, THE TALK. OF ITS SHOW, THE TALK. ALSO, COMEDIAN MAHER, WHO HAS ALSO, COMEDIAN MAHER, WHO HAS BEEN UNAPOLOGETIC ABOUT THE BEEN UNAPOLOGETIC ABOUT THE RETURN OF HIS LATE NIGHT SHOW. RETURN OF HIS LATE NIGHT SHOW. >> HBO HAS ALSO NOW ANNOUNCED >> HBO HAS ALSO NOW ANNOUNCED HIS SHOW WILL GO ON PAUSE. HIS SHOW WILL GO ON PAUSE. SO MUCH TO YOU FIRST, WHAT IS SO MUCH TO YOU FIRST, WHAT IS YOUR TAKE ON DREW BARRYMORE'S YOUR TAKE ON DREW BARRYMORE'S ABOUT FACE? ABOUT FACE? >> BECAUSE IT APPEARED THAT SHE >> BECAUSE IT APPEARED THAT SHE WAS ALSO TRYING TO SUPPORT WAS ALSO TRYING TO SUPPORT THE NONUNION UNION WRITERS. THE NONUNION UNION WRITERS. THIS REALLY SHOWCASES THIS REALLY SHOWCASES THE COMPLEXITIES OF THIS LABOR THE COMPLEXITIES OF THIS LABOR . . >> WOULD YOU AGREE? >> WOULD YOU AGREE? YOU TOOK THE WORD RIGHT OUT YOU TOOK THE WORD RIGHT OUT OF MY MOUTH. OF MY MOUTH. IT'S ALL ABOUT THE AND THE IT'S ALL ABOUT THE AND THE COMPLEXITIES. COMPLEXITIES. ARBOR DREW BARRYMORE WITH A ARBOR DREW BARRYMORE WITH A COUPLE OF THINGS. COUPLE OF THINGS. ONE, SHE HAS BEEN A CHILD ONE, SHE HAS BEEN A CHILD ACTOR, SO WE HAVE KNOWN HER AS ACTOR, SO WE HAVE KNOWN HER AS AN ACTOR BEFORE. AN ACTOR BEFORE. WE ACTUALLY KNEW HER AS A TALK WE ACTUALLY KNEW HER AS A TALK SHOW HOST. SHOW HOST. WHAT MAKES HER SHOW DIFFERENT WHAT MAKES HER SHOW DIFFERENT THAN THE OTHER DAYTIME SHOWS THAN THE OTHER DAYTIME SHOWS AT MORNING SHOWS ARE STILL ABLE AT MORNING SHOWS ARE STILL ABLE TO CONTINUE IS THAT SHE TO CONTINUE IS THAT SHE ACTUALLY USE WGA WRITER'S GUILD ACTUALLY USE WGA WRITER'S GUILD MEMBERS. MEMBERS. SO THE FACT THAT SHE WAS GOING SO THE FACT THAT SHE WAS GOING TO REPLACE THEM WITH OTHER TO REPLACE THEM WITH OTHER NONUNION WRITERS WAS ANOTHER NONUNION WRITERS WAS ANOTHER COMPLEX THAT WAS LAYER THAT YOU COMPLEX THAT WAS LAYER THAT YOU ARE ADDING OTHER PEOPLE TO ARE ADDING OTHER PEOPLE TO GO AGAINST WHAT THE DOJ GO AGAINST WHAT THE DOJ IS ASKING FOR AND TO GIVING IS ASKING FOR AND TO GIVING OTHER PEOPLE AND SALARIES OTHER PEOPLE AND SALARIES BY STILL REMOVING OTHERS. BY STILL REMOVING OTHERS. IT DIDN'T SEEM LIKE SHE WAS IT DIDN'T SEEM LIKE SHE WAS STANDING IN SOLIDARITY WITH THE STANDING IN SOLIDARITY WITH THE WGA AND HER. WGA AND HER. SO ALL OF THAT ADDED SO ALL OF THAT ADDED TO COMPLEXITIES OF WHERE WE TO COMPLEXITIES OF WHERE WE ARE TODAY WITH HER ARE TODAY WITH HER SHOW SPECIFICALLY. SHOW SPECIFICALLY. >> IT'S A VERY UNIQUE ONE WITH >> IT'S A VERY UNIQUE ONE WITH HER. HER. YEAH, IT'S CLEARLY LAYERED YEAH, IT'S CLEARLY LAYERED HERE. HERE. MUSTAFA CAN YOU RESPOND TO THAT MUSTAFA CAN YOU RESPOND TO THAT IN TERMS THE FACT THAT IT DID, IN TERMS THE FACT THAT IT DID, IT AGAIN APPEARS SHE WAS TRYING IT AGAIN APPEARS SHE WAS TRYING TO HELP OTHER PEOPLE WITH JOBS. TO HELP OTHER PEOPLE WITH JOBS. >> WELL, I APPRECIATE >> WELL, I APPRECIATE THAT SHE'S TRYING TO HELP OTHER THAT SHE'S TRYING TO HELP OTHER PEOPLE. PEOPLE. BUT AS SOMEONE WHOSE FAMILY HAS BUT AS SOMEONE WHOSE FAMILY HAS BEEN IN UNIONS FOR A HUNDRED BEEN IN UNIONS FOR A HUNDRED YEARS, ALMOST NOW, YOU DON'T YEARS, ALMOST NOW, YOU DON'T BREAK THE PICKET LINE BECAUSE BREAK THE PICKET LINE BECAUSE WHAT THAT DOES IS THAT YOU THE WHAT THAT DOES IS THAT YOU THE NEGOTIATIONS THAT FOLKS NEGOTIATIONS THAT FOLKS ARE UTILIZING TO TRY AND MAKE ARE UTILIZING TO TRY AND MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE HAS A BETTER SURE THAT EVERYONE HAS A BETTER SET OF OPPORTUNITIES. SET OF OPPORTUNITIES. AND RACHEL IS IN A UNIQUE AND RACHEL IS IN A UNIQUE POSITION HERE. POSITION HERE. A MAJORITY OF AMERICANS, A MAJORITY OF AMERICANS, THEY SUPPORT UNIONS, YET VERY THEY SUPPORT UNIONS, YET VERY FEW ARE ACTUALLY PART OF A FEW ARE ACTUALLY PART OF A UNION. UNION. SO WHAT IS YOUR TAKE SO WHAT IS YOUR TAKE ON THE UNION'S SUPPORT IN THIS ON THE UNION'S SUPPORT IN THIS COUNTRY? COUNTRY? >> YEAH, IT'S REALLY >> YEAH, IT'S REALLY FASCINATING. FASCINATING. I MEAN, HER FLIP FLOP HERE I MEAN, HER FLIP FLOP HERE REALLY SPEAKS TO THE PUBLIC REALLY SPEAKS TO THE PUBLIC SENTIMENT RIGHT NOW IN TERMS SENTIMENT RIGHT NOW IN TERMS OF SUPPORT FOR AND THE FACT OF SUPPORT FOR AND THE FACT THAT SHE HAD TO SORT OF DO THAT SHE HAD TO SORT OF DO A DOUBLE TAKE HERE AND CANCEL A DOUBLE TAKE HERE AND CANCEL HER SHOW FROM STARTING. HER SHOW FROM STARTING. LOOK, I THINK IT REALLY LOOK, I THINK IT REALLY UNDERSCORES AMERICANS ARE UNDERSCORES AMERICANS ARE FEELING RIGHT NOW, FEELING RIGHT NOW, THEY'RE FEELING LIKE THEY'RE FEELING LIKE THEIR EMPLOYERS ARE TAKING THEIR EMPLOYERS ARE TAKING ADVANTAGE THEM, THAT THEY'RE ADVANTAGE THEM, THAT THEY'RE NOT PAID ENOUGH. NOT PAID ENOUGH. THEY'RE STILL HURTING FROM THEY'RE STILL HURTING FROM INFLATION. INFLATION. AND SO YOU'RE SEEING A LOT AND SO YOU'RE SEEING A LOT OF PEOPLE EMPHASIZE OR OF PEOPLE EMPHASIZE OR EMPATHIZE WITH THESE WORKERS. EMPATHIZE WITH THESE WORKERS. DO WONDER, THOUGH, HOW LONG DO WONDER, THOUGH, HOW LONG THAT SUPPORT WILL CONTINUE IF THAT SUPPORT WILL CONTINUE IF YOU START TO SEE, YOU KNOW, YOU START TO SEE, YOU KNOW, THE THE AUTOWORKERS STRIKE, THE THE AUTOWORKERS STRIKE, I MEAN, THAT THAT CAR PRICES I MEAN, THAT THAT CAR PRICES ARE GOING UP OR. ARE GOING UP OR. >> YOU KNOW, IF THIS MEANS, >> YOU KNOW, IF THIS MEANS, YOU KNOW, CERTAIN PEOPLE ARE YOU KNOW, CERTAIN PEOPLE ARE NOT GOING TO BE PAID, CERTAIN NOT GOING TO BE PAID, CERTAIN SHOWS ARE GOING TO BE CANCELED, SHOWS ARE GOING TO BE CANCELED, COULD YOU START TO SEE COULD YOU START TO SEE A BACKLASH AND SOME OF THAT A BACKLASH AND SOME OF THAT PUBLIC SENTIMENT GO THE OTHER PUBLIC SENTIMENT GO THE OTHER WAY? WAY? THAT'S SOMETHING I'M GOING THAT'S SOMETHING I'M GOING TO BE WATCHING. TO BE WATCHING. YOU KNOW, IN THE WEEKS YOU KNOW, IN THE WEEKS AND MONTHS AHEAD. AND MONTHS AHEAD. >> CERTAINLY. >> CERTAINLY. AND JOHN, TO YOU, WE'RE SEEING AND JOHN, TO YOU, WE'RE SEEING MULTIPLE STRIKES ACROSS MULTIPLE STRIKES ACROSS THE COUNTRY, AS YOU JUST THE COUNTRY, AS YOU JUST MENTIONED. MENTIONED. IS THIS A RECKONING BETWEEN IS THIS A RECKONING BETWEEN EMPLOYERS AND EMPLOYEES EMPLOYERS AND EMPLOYEES RIGHT NOW? RIGHT NOW? >> I THINK IT IS A RECKONING >> I THINK IT IS A RECKONING TO SOME EXTENT. TO SOME EXTENT. I THINK UNIONS ARE STARTING I THINK UNIONS ARE STARTING TO FEEL THEIR OATS AND THEY'RE TO FEEL THEIR OATS AND THEY'RE STARTING TO FEEL LIKE STARTING TO FEEL LIKE IT'S THEIR TIME TO GET IT'S THEIR TIME TO GET THEIR FAIR SHARE AGAIN. THEIR FAIR SHARE AGAIN. AND THEY'RE TAKING THEIR SHOTS. AND THEY'RE TAKING THEIR SHOTS. AND, YOU KNOW, THAT'S AND, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE AMERICAN WAY. THE AMERICAN WAY. AND IT'S AMERICAN RIGHT TO DO. AND IT'S AMERICAN RIGHT TO DO. AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK HOW THEY AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK HOW THEY HANDLED THE WHOLE THING, WHERE HANDLED THE WHOLE THING, WHERE DREW BARRYMORE WAS DREW BARRYMORE WAS ACTUALLY PRETTY PROFESSIONAL. ACTUALLY PRETTY PROFESSIONAL. THEY HAD A DISAGREEMENT. THEY HAD A DISAGREEMENT. THEY DIDN'T GO CRAZY AND ATTACK THEY DIDN'T GO CRAZY AND ATTACK HER PERSON AND EVERYTHING. HER PERSON AND EVERYTHING. THEY JUST KIND OF WORKED OUT THEY JUST KIND OF WORKED OUT A SOLUTION. A SOLUTION. THEY'RE BACK ON THE SAME PAGE, THEY'RE BACK ON THE SAME PAGE, YOU KNOW, UNDER UAW, YOU KNOW, UNDER UAW, THEY'RE THEY'RE SHOOTING FOR THEY'RE THEY'RE SHOOTING FOR THE MOON AS WELL. THE MOON AS WELL. AND SO WE'LL SEE HOW THIS AND SO WE'LL SEE HOW THIS ALL SHAKES. ALL SHAKES. >> BUT THE LONGER IT GOES ON, >> BUT THE LONGER IT GOES ON, THE LONGER IT'S GOING TO BE THE LONGER IT'S GOING TO BE A PROBLEM. A PROBLEM. CERTAINLY MORE TO COME. CERTAINLY MORE TO COME. >> MIKE MYERS, JOHN KATKO, >> MIKE MYERS, JOHN KATKO, RACHEL BAY AND MUSTAFA ALI, RACHEL BAY AND MUSTAFA ALI, OUR THANKS TO ALL OF YOU. OUR THANKS TO ALL OF YOU. OTHER DAYTIME SHOWS, BY THE OTHER DAYTIME SHOWS, BY THE WAY, HAVE RESUMED. WAY, HAVE RESUMED. THAT INCLUDES SEVERAL OWNED THAT INCLUDES SEVERAL OWNED BY DISNEY. BY DISNEY. THE PARENT COMPANY OF ABC NEWS. THE PARENT COMPANY OF ABC NEWS. 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