WE'LL TAKE YOU THERE. YOU'RE STREAMING ABCNEWS.COM. YOU'RE STREAMING ABCNEWS.COM. HI, I'M DIANE MACEDO TODAY HI, I'M DIANE MACEDO TODAY ON "ABC NEWS LIVE". ON "ABC NEWS LIVE". THE DEBT LIMIT DEAL IS ON ITS THE DEBT LIMIT DEAL IS ON ITS WAY TO THE SENATE AFTER PASSING WAY TO THE SENATE AFTER PASSING THE HOUSE WITH JUST FOUR DAYS THE HOUSE WITH JUST FOUR DAYS LEFT UNTIL THE GOVERNMENT RUNS LEFT UNTIL THE GOVERNMENT RUNS OUT OF CASH . OUT OF CASH . >> THE HURDLES AHEAD ON BOTH >> THE HURDLES AHEAD ON BOTH SIDES OF THE AISLE. SIDES OF THE AISLE. >> NEW DEVELOPMENTS IN >> NEW DEVELOPMENTS IN THE INVESTIGATION INTO FORMER THE INVESTIGATION INTO FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP'S HANDLING OF PRESIDENT TRUMP'S HANDLING OF CLASSIFIED DOCUMENTS. CLASSIFIED DOCUMENTS. SOURCES TELL ABC NEWS FEDERAL SOURCES TELL ABC NEWS FEDERAL INVESTIGATORS HAVE AUDIO OF INVESTIGATORS HAVE AUDIO OF THE FORMER THE FORMER PRESIDENT ACKNOWLEDGING HE KEPT PRESIDENT ACKNOWLEDGING HE KEPT A CLASSIFIED DOCUMENT ABOUT A CLASSIFIED DOCUMENT ABOUT A POSSIBLE ATTACK ON IRAN. A POSSIBLE ATTACK ON IRAN. WHY IT COULD BE A KEY PIECE OF WHY IT COULD BE A KEY PIECE OF EVIDENCE. EVIDENCE. RAGING WILDFIRES ARE SENDING RAGING WILDFIRES ARE SENDING SMOKE ACROSS THE EASTERN US AIR SMOKE ACROSS THE EASTERN US AIR QUALITY ALERTS ARE IN EFFECT IN QUALITY ALERTS ARE IN EFFECT IN NEW ENGLAND WITH SMOKE NEW ENGLAND WITH SMOKE TRAVELING AS FAR SOUTH AS D.C.. TRAVELING AS FAR SOUTH AS D.C.. OUR GINGER ZEE IS HERE WITH THE OUR GINGER ZEE IS HERE WITH THE LATEST FORECAST, THE DIRE LATEST FORECAST, THE DIRE WARNING ABOUT ARTIFICIAL WARNING ABOUT ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE. INTELLIGENCE. WHY TOP EXPERTS SAY IT POSES WHY TOP EXPERTS SAY IT POSES A RISK OF EXTINCTION. A RISK OF EXTINCTION. WE'RE BREAKING DOWN WHAT IT ALL WE'RE BREAKING DOWN WHAT IT ALL MEANS IN OUR GROUP CHAT , BUT MEANS IN OUR GROUP CHAT , BUT WE BEGIN WITH THE DEBT LIMIT WE BEGIN WITH THE DEBT LIMIT DEAL NOW HEADING TO THE SENATE. DEAL NOW HEADING TO THE SENATE. THE DEAL PASSED THE HOUSE LAST THE DEAL PASSED THE HOUSE LAST NIGHT WITH SUPPORT FROM NIGHT WITH SUPPORT FROM A MAJORITY OF HOUSE REPUBLICANS A MAJORITY OF HOUSE REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS, BUT IT COULD AND DEMOCRATS, BUT IT COULD FACE SOME HURDLES FROM BOTH FACE SOME HURDLES FROM BOTH SIDES OF THE AISLE IN SIDES OF THE AISLE IN THE SENATE. THE SENATE. WITH ONLY FOUR DAYS LEFT UNTIL WITH ONLY FOUR DAYS LEFT UNTIL THE DEFAULT DEADLINE. THE DEFAULT DEADLINE. LET'S BRING IN ABC'S JAY LET'S BRING IN ABC'S JAY O'BRIEN ON CAPITOL HILL. O'BRIEN ON CAPITOL HILL. ALONG WITH ABC'S ALONG WITH ABC'S ELIZABETH CHELSIE AT THE WHITE ELIZABETH CHELSIE AT THE WHITE HOUSE. HOUSE. FOR MORE . FOR MORE . JAY, SENATE LEADERS FROM BOTH JAY, SENATE LEADERS FROM BOTH PARTIES SAY THERE IS NO MARGIN PARTIES SAY THERE IS NO MARGIN FOR ERROR HERE. FOR ERROR HERE. SO CAN THEY PASS THIS BILL IN SO CAN THEY PASS THIS BILL IN TIME TO AVOID A DEFAULT? TIME TO AVOID A DEFAULT? >> WELL, THEY DEFINITELY HAVE >> WELL, THEY DEFINITELY HAVE THE VOTES TO PASS IT. THE VOTES TO PASS IT. IT WOULD SEEM THE UNDERSTANDING IT WOULD SEEM THE UNDERSTANDING HERE ON THE HILL IS THAT HERE ON THE HILL IS THAT THE VOTES ARE THERE IN THE VOTES ARE THERE IN THE SENATE TO GET THIS TO THE THE SENATE TO GET THIS TO THE PRESIDENT'S DESK. PRESIDENT'S DESK. BUT AS YOU JUST SAID , TIMING BUT AS YOU JUST SAID , TIMING IS THE REAL QUESTION HERE, IS THE REAL QUESTION HERE, BECAUSE THE WAY THE SENATE BECAUSE THE WAY THE SENATE WORKS IS IF REALLY ONE SENATOR WORKS IS IF REALLY ONE SENATOR WANTS TO TRY TO DELAY THIS WANTS TO TRY TO DELAY THIS PROCESS, THEY HAVE A LOT OF PROCESS, THEY HAVE A LOT OF POWER TO DO SO. POWER TO DO SO. AND THERE ARE SEVERAL SENATORS AND THERE ARE SEVERAL SENATORS WHO SAY THEY DO NOT LIKE WHAT WHO SAY THEY DO NOT LIKE WHAT WAS IN THIS DEAL . WAS IN THIS DEAL . THEY EITHER FEEL LIKE IT THEY EITHER FEEL LIKE IT DOESN'T DO ENOUGH TO CUT DOESN'T DO ENOUGH TO CUT SPENDING. SPENDING. THAT'S WHERE MIKE LEE OF UTAH THAT'S WHERE MIKE LEE OF UTAH IS . IS . THEY FEEL LIKE IT DOESN'T MAYBE THEY FEEL LIKE IT DOESN'T MAYBE GIVE ENOUGH FUNDING TO DEFENSE GIVE ENOUGH FUNDING TO DEFENSE SPENDING. SPENDING. THAT'S WHERE LINDSEY GRAHAM THAT'S WHERE LINDSEY GRAHAM IS . IS . AND THEN THERE'S BERNIE AND THEN THERE'S BERNIE SANDERS, WHO DOESN'T LIKE SANDERS, WHO DOESN'T LIKE SOME OF THE CONCESSIONS THAT SOME OF THE CONCESSIONS THAT THE WHITE HOUSE GAVE AWAY. THE WHITE HOUSE GAVE AWAY. >> IT'S SIMILAR TO WHAT WE >> IT'S SIMILAR TO WHAT WE HEARD IN THE HOUSE, RIGHT. HEARD IN THE HOUSE, RIGHT. THERE WAS A GROUP OF THERE WAS A GROUP OF PROGRESSIVE DEMOCRATS PROGRESSIVE DEMOCRATS WHO DIDN'T LIKE THIS DEAL AND WHO DIDN'T LIKE THIS DEAL AND DIDN'T VOTE FOR LAST NIGHT. DIDN'T VOTE FOR LAST NIGHT. THERE WAS A CHUNK OF FURTHER THERE WAS A CHUNK OF FURTHER RIGHT REPUBLICANS AND EVEN RIGHT REPUBLICANS AND EVEN SOME MODERATE REPUBLICANS SOME MODERATE REPUBLICANS WHO SAID THEY DIDN'T LIKE WHAT WHO SAID THEY DIDN'T LIKE WHAT WAS IN THIS DEAL AND WAS IN THIS DEAL AND THEY DIDN'T VOTE FOR LAST NIGHT THEY DIDN'T VOTE FOR LAST NIGHT AS WELL. AS WELL. SO THE QUESTION BECOMES, SO THE QUESTION BECOMES, IS THAT OPPOSING THAT IS THAT OPPOSING THAT YOU'RE SEEING ALREADY COME YOU'RE SEEING ALREADY COME ABOUT IN THE SENATE? ABOUT IN THE SENATE? IS ANYONE IN THAT GROUP WILLING IS ANYONE IN THAT GROUP WILLING TO TRY TO DELAY THIS PROCESS TO TRY TO DELAY THIS PROCESS TO THE POINT THAT IT PUSHES TO THE POINT THAT IT PUSHES A VOTE INTO THE WEEKEND A VOTE INTO THE WEEKEND AND COMES RIGHT UP AGAINST THAT AND COMES RIGHT UP AGAINST THAT MONDAY, JUNE 5TH DEADLINE MONDAY, JUNE 5TH DEADLINE TO GET THIS TO THE PRESIDENT'S TO GET THIS TO THE PRESIDENT'S DESK? DESK? NO ONE HAS FULLY COME OUT NO ONE HAS FULLY COME OUT AND SAID THAT THEY WOULD DO AND SAID THAT THEY WOULD DO THAT YET. THAT YET. >> BUT IT'S WHAT WE'RE WATCHING >> BUT IT'S WHAT WE'RE WATCHING FOR TODAY. FOR TODAY. ELIZABETH , HOW IS THE WHITE ELIZABETH , HOW IS THE WHITE HOUSE RESPONDING TO THE HOUSE RESPONDING TO THE BILL PASSING THE HOUSE? BILL PASSING THE HOUSE? DANA, WHITE HOUSE OFFICIAL DANA, WHITE HOUSE OFFICIAL TELLS US THAT THE PRESIDENT WAS TELLS US THAT THE PRESIDENT WAS WATCHING THIS VOTE VERY CLOSELY WATCHING THIS VOTE VERY CLOSELY AND AS SOON AS IT PASSED, HE AND AS SOON AS IT PASSED, HE CALLED BOTH HOUSE SPEAKER CALLED BOTH HOUSE SPEAKER KEVIN MCCARTHY AND SENATE KEVIN MCCARTHY AND SENATE MAJORITY LEADER CHUCK SCHUMER, MAJORITY LEADER CHUCK SCHUMER, CONGRATULATING MCCARTHY CONGRATULATING MCCARTHY ON BASICALLY GETTING THIS STEP ON BASICALLY GETTING THIS STEP FORWARD AND URGING THE SENATE FORWARD AND URGING THE SENATE TO GET THIS DONE QUICKLY. TO GET THIS DONE QUICKLY. NOW, IN THIS STATEMENT THAT NOW, IN THIS STATEMENT THAT THE PRESIDENT RELEASED AFTER THE PRESIDENT RELEASED AFTER THIS CAME OUT, HE DID CALL THIS THIS CAME OUT, HE DID CALL THIS A CRITICAL STEP, BUT ALSO A CRITICAL STEP, BUT ALSO ACKNOWLEDGED THAT COMPROMISES ACKNOWLEDGED THAT COMPROMISES WERE MADE. WERE MADE. THE WHITE HOUSE HAS SAID THAT THE WHITE HOUSE HAS SAID THAT NOT EVERYONE GOT WHAT NOT EVERYONE GOT WHAT THEY WANTED IN THIS AGREEMENT. THEY WANTED IN THIS AGREEMENT. BUT THE MESSAGE THAT WE ARE BUT THE MESSAGE THAT WE ARE HEARING BOTH FROM THE PRESIDENT HEARING BOTH FROM THE PRESIDENT AND FROM SPEAKER MCCARTHY TODAY AND FROM SPEAKER MCCARTHY TODAY IS THAT GETTING THIS DONE IS A IS THAT GETTING THIS DONE IS A VICTORY AND THAT IT WOULD VICTORY AND THAT IT WOULD PREVENT IT WOULD PREVENT THAT PREVENT IT WOULD PREVENT THAT REALLY CATASTROPHIC SCENARIO OF REALLY CATASTROPHIC SCENARIO OF THE U.S. BEING UNABLE TO PAY THE U.S. BEING UNABLE TO PAY ITS BILLS AS SOON AS MONDAY. ITS BILLS AS SOON AS MONDAY. NOW, YOU HAVE PROGRESSIVES NOW, YOU HAVE PROGRESSIVES AND MEMBERS OF THE HOUSE AND MEMBERS OF THE HOUSE FREEDOM CAUCUS, THE FURTHEST FREEDOM CAUCUS, THE FURTHEST FRINGES OF BOTH PARTIES, COMING FRINGES OF BOTH PARTIES, COMING OUT AND SAYING THAT THEY DON'T OUT AND SAYING THAT THEY DON'T LIKE THIS DEAL . LIKE THIS DEAL . >> SO WHAT DOES THAT MEAN FOR >> SO WHAT DOES THAT MEAN FOR BOTH SIDES OF THE AISLE IN BOTH SIDES OF THE AISLE IN THE HOUSE MOVING FORWARD? THE HOUSE MOVING FORWARD? ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE HEARING ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE HEARING NOW FROM HOUSE LEADERSHIP IS AN NOW FROM HOUSE LEADERSHIP IS AN ACKNOWLEDGMENT THAT ACKNOWLEDGMENT THAT A LITTLE BIT OF REBUILDING HAS A LITTLE BIT OF REBUILDING HAS TO BE DONE. TO BE DONE. KEVIN MCCARTHY EVEN KEVIN MCCARTHY EVEN ACKNOWLEDGING LAST NIGHT, ACKNOWLEDGING LAST NIGHT, BECAUSE WE SAW, ESPECIALLY FROM BECAUSE WE SAW, ESPECIALLY FROM THOSE REPUBLICANS WHO VOTED THOSE REPUBLICANS WHO VOTED AGAINST THIS DEAL , SOME OF AGAINST THIS DEAL , SOME OF THEM COME OUT AND SAY THEM COME OUT AND SAY THEY DON'T TRUST SPEAKER THEY DON'T TRUST SPEAKER MCCARTHY NOW AS A RESULT OF HIM MCCARTHY NOW AS A RESULT OF HIM NEGOTIATING THIS DEAL AND NEGOTIATING THIS DEAL AND PUSHING IT ACROSS THE GOAL LINE PUSHING IT ACROSS THE GOAL LINE IN THE HOUSE. IN THE HOUSE. REMEMBER, THERE WERE REMEMBER, THERE WERE SEVENTY ONE REPUBLICANS SEVENTY ONE REPUBLICANS WHO VOTED AGAINST THIS WHO VOTED AGAINST THIS LEGISLATION. LEGISLATION. FORTY SIX DEMOCRATS AS WELL. FORTY SIX DEMOCRATS AS WELL. AND OF THOSE 71 REPUBLICANS, AND OF THOSE 71 REPUBLICANS, THERE'S A SMALLER GROUP WHO SAY THERE'S A SMALLER GROUP WHO SAY THAT KEVIN MCCARTHY HAS LOST THAT KEVIN MCCARTHY HAS LOST THEIR TRUST AS A RESULT OF THIS THEIR TRUST AS A RESULT OF THIS DEAL . DEAL . NOW, WHAT THEY DO MOVING NOW, WHAT THEY DO MOVING FORWARD, DO THEY TRY TO MOVE FORWARD, DO THEY TRY TO MOVE AGAINST MCCARTHY AND OUSTER AGAINST MCCARTHY AND OUSTER FROM THE SPEAKERSHIP? FROM THE SPEAKERSHIP? THAT WE DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER THAT WE DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO , BUT WE DO KNOW THAT TO , BUT WE DO KNOW THAT THE LEADERSHIP OF BOTH PARTIES THE LEADERSHIP OF BOTH PARTIES TRYING TO EXTEND THAT OLIVE TRYING TO EXTEND THAT OLIVE BRANCH OUT THAT THIS IS PAST. BRANCH OUT THAT THIS IS PAST. >> NOW, ELIZABETH , EXPERTS >> NOW, ELIZABETH , EXPERTS HAVE WARNED THAT WE COULD FACE HAVE WARNED THAT WE COULD FACE SERIOUS CONSEQUENCES HERE JUST SERIOUS CONSEQUENCES HERE JUST FOR TAKING THIS DOWN TO THE FOR TAKING THIS DOWN TO THE WIRE. WIRE. SO WHAT ARE YOU WATCHING FOR? SO WHAT ARE YOU WATCHING FOR? RIGHT. RIGHT. SO, OF COURSE, THE BIGGEST SO, OF COURSE, THE BIGGEST THING IS TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS THING IS TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS BILL IS SIGNED AND DONE BY JUNE BILL IS SIGNED AND DONE BY JUNE 5TH. 5TH. JUST FOR THE SAKE OF WHEN IT JUST FOR THE SAKE OF WHEN IT COMES TO AMERICANS RELYING COMES TO AMERICANS RELYING ON THEIR PAYMENTS FROM ON THEIR PAYMENTS FROM THE GOVERNMENT. THE GOVERNMENT. THAT IS WHEN THE U.S. WOULD RUN THAT IS WHEN THE U.S. WOULD RUN OUT OF MONEY TO PAY THOSE OUT OF MONEY TO PAY THOSE PAYMENTS UNTIL THIS IS A DONE PAYMENTS UNTIL THIS IS A DONE DEAL , THERE IS STILL THE RISK DEAL , THERE IS STILL THE RISK THOSE PAYMENTS COULD THOSE PAYMENTS COULD BE DELAYED. BE DELAYED. BUT IT IS ALSO IMPORTANT BUT IT IS ALSO IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER THAT BACK IN 2011, TO REMEMBER THAT BACK IN 2011, THE U.S. CREDIT RATING WAS THE U.S. CREDIT RATING WAS DOWNGRADED AFTER THIS DEAL WAS DOWNGRADED AFTER THIS DEAL WAS SIGNED BECAUSE OF THE POLITICAL SIGNED BECAUSE OF THE POLITICAL BRINKSMANSHIP COULD BE AT RISK BRINKSMANSHIP COULD BE AT RISK OF THAT HAPPENING IF THIS IT'S OF THAT HAPPENING IF THIS IT'S SO CLOSE DOWN TO THE WIRE SO CLOSE DOWN TO THE WIRE AGAIN, DIANE . AGAIN, DIANE . ALL RIGHT, ELIZABETH , CHELSEA, ALL RIGHT, ELIZABETH , CHELSEA, JOE , BRYAN, THANK YOU BOTH. JOE , BRYAN, THANK YOU BOTH. AND SOURCES TELL AND SOURCES TELL ABC NEWS FEDERAL PROSECUTORS ABC NEWS FEDERAL PROSECUTORS HAVE OBTAINED A NEW AUDIO HAVE OBTAINED A NEW AUDIO RECORDING OF PRESIDENT TRUMP. RECORDING OF PRESIDENT TRUMP. THEY SAY IN THE RECORDING, THEY SAY IN THE RECORDING, TRUMP ACKNOWLEDGES HE KEPT TRUMP ACKNOWLEDGES HE KEPT A CLASSIFIED DOCUMENT AFTER A CLASSIFIED DOCUMENT AFTER LEAVING OFFICE INDICATING HE LEAVING OFFICE INDICATING HE KNEW THE DOCUMENT IN QUESTION KNEW THE DOCUMENT IN QUESTION WAS SECRET. WAS SECRET. THE RECORDING COULD BE A KEY THE RECORDING COULD BE A KEY PIECE OF EVIDENCE. PIECE OF EVIDENCE. AND SPECIAL COUNSEL AND SPECIAL COUNSEL JACK SMITH'S INVESTIGATION INTO JACK SMITH'S INVESTIGATION INTO THE FORMER PRESIDENT'S HANDLING THE FORMER PRESIDENT'S HANDLING OF CLASSIFIED DOCUMENTS. OF CLASSIFIED DOCUMENTS. CHIEF JUSTICE CORRESPONDENT CHIEF JUSTICE CORRESPONDENT PIERRE THOMAS HAS MORE . PIERRE THOMAS HAS MORE . >> FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP >> FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP HEADING INTO A RADIO INTERVIEW HEADING INTO A RADIO INTERVIEW IN DES MOINES AS NEWS BREAKS IN DES MOINES AS NEWS BREAKS ABOUT HIS ALLEGED HANDLING OF ABOUT HIS ALLEGED HANDLING OF CLASSIFIED DOCUMENTS FROM CLASSIFIED DOCUMENTS FROM FEDERAL PROSECUTORS HAVE FEDERAL PROSECUTORS HAVE OBTAINED AN AUDIO RECORDING OF OBTAINED AN AUDIO RECORDING OF TRUMP ALLEGEDLY ACKNOWLEDGING TRUMP ALLEGEDLY ACKNOWLEDGING HE KEPT A CLASSIFIED DOCUMENT HE KEPT A CLASSIFIED DOCUMENT ABOUT A POSSIBLE ATTACK ABOUT A POSSIBLE ATTACK ON IRAN. ON IRAN. ACCORDING TO SOURCES FAMILIAR ACCORDING TO SOURCES FAMILIAR WITH THE INVESTIGATION, WITH THE INVESTIGATION, THE RECORDING SOURCES SAID , THE RECORDING SOURCES SAID , WAS MADE DURING A JULY 20 , WAS MADE DURING A JULY 20 , 2001, MEETING. 2001, MEETING. AND HIS BEDMINSTER CLUB THAT AND HIS BEDMINSTER CLUB THAT TRUMP HELD WITH TWO PEOPLE TRUMP HELD WITH TWO PEOPLE WHO WERE HELPING FORMER CHIEF WHO WERE HELPING FORMER CHIEF OF STAFF MARK MEADOWS WITH HIS OF STAFF MARK MEADOWS WITH HIS BOOK THE CHIEFS CHIEF BOOK THE CHIEFS CHIEF TRUMP ALLEGEDLY INDICATED TRUMP ALLEGEDLY INDICATED DURING THE RECORDING HE DURING THE RECORDING HE KNEW THE DOCUMENT IN QUESTION KNEW THE DOCUMENT IN QUESTION WAS SECRET. WAS SECRET. THE SOURCES SAID THE THE SOURCES SAID THE ALLEGED RECORDING COULD BE A ALLEGED RECORDING COULD BE A CRUCIAL PIECE OF EVIDENCE CRUCIAL PIECE OF EVIDENCE AS THE SPECIAL COUNSEL ASSESSES AS THE SPECIAL COUNSEL ASSESSES WHETHER TRUMP VIOLATED ANY WHETHER TRUMP VIOLATED ANY FEDERAL LAWS OR PUT NATIONAL FEDERAL LAWS OR PUT NATIONAL SECURITY AT RISK. SECURITY AT RISK. THE FORMER PRESIDENT HAS THE FORMER PRESIDENT HAS INSISTED THAT THE DOCUMENTS INSISTED THAT THE DOCUMENTS WERE AUTOMATICALLY DECLASSIFIED WERE AUTOMATICALLY DECLASSIFIED ,SAYING THIS AT A TOWN HALL ,SAYING THIS AT A TOWN HALL JUST LAST MONTH. JUST LAST MONTH. >> DID YOU EVER SHOW HIS >> DID YOU EVER SHOW HIS CLASSIFIED DOCUMENTS TO ANYONE? CLASSIFIED DOCUMENTS TO ANYONE? NOT REALLY. NOT REALLY. I WOULD HAVE THE RIGHT TO . I WOULD HAVE THE RIGHT TO . BY THE WAY, THEY WERE NOT THAT BY THE WAY, THEY WERE NOT THAT I CAN THINK OF, ACCORDING I CAN THINK OF, ACCORDING TO SOURCES FAMILIAR WITH THE TO SOURCES FAMILIAR WITH THE INVESTIGATION. INVESTIGATION. >> WITNESSES AND SPECIAL >> WITNESSES AND SPECIAL COUNSEL JACK SMITH'S PROBE HAVE COUNSEL JACK SMITH'S PROBE HAVE BEEN QUESTIONED ABOUT BEEN QUESTIONED ABOUT THE RECORDING. THE RECORDING. MEADOW'S WAS NOT PRESENT FOR MEADOW'S WAS NOT PRESENT FOR THE JULY 2020 ONE MEETING, BUT THE JULY 2020 ONE MEETING, BUT SOURCES SAID OTHER TRUMP AIDES, SOURCES SAID OTHER TRUMP AIDES, INCLUDING MARCO MARTIN, WERE. INCLUDING MARCO MARTIN, WERE. THE SPECIAL COUNSEL'S OFFICE THE SPECIAL COUNSEL'S OFFICE DECLINED TO COMMENT DECLINED TO COMMENT ON THE RECORDING, WHICH ON THE RECORDING, WHICH ABC NEWS DOES NOT LISTEN TO , ABC NEWS DOES NOT LISTEN TO , NOR OBTAINED SOME CAN ALLEGEDLY NOR OBTAINED SOME CAN ALLEGEDLY BE HEARD ATTACKING THE JOINT BE HEARD ATTACKING THE JOINT CHIEFS OF STAFF GEN.. CHIEFS OF STAFF GEN.. MARK MILLEY, AND REFERENCED MARK MILLEY, AND REFERENCED ONE DOCUMENT IN PARTICULAR THAT ONE DOCUMENT IN PARTICULAR THAT TRUMP CLAIMS HE HAD COMPILED TRUMP CLAIMS HE HAD COMPILED OVERNIGHT. OVERNIGHT. A TRUMP SPOKESPERSON SLAMMED A TRUMP SPOKESPERSON SLAMMED NEW REPORTING, SAYING IT WAS NEW REPORTING, SAYING IT WAS ALL LEAKS FROM RADICAL ALL LEAKS FROM RADICAL PARTIZANS ENGAGING IN PARTIZANS ENGAGING IN POLITICAL PERSECUTION. POLITICAL PERSECUTION. >> DIANE AVERI HARPER THOMAS, >> DIANE AVERI HARPER THOMAS, THANK YOU . THANK YOU . AND MORE THAN 16000 RESIDENTS AND MORE THAN 16000 RESIDENTS HAVE BEEN ORDERED TO EVACUATE HAVE BEEN ORDERED TO EVACUATE AND NOVA SCOTIA, CANADA, AMID AND NOVA SCOTIA, CANADA, AMID UNPRECEDENTED WILDFIRES. UNPRECEDENTED WILDFIRES. THE FIRES ARE SO BIG THE FIRES ARE SO BIG THEY'RE SENDING SMOKE INTO THEY'RE SENDING SMOKE INTO THE U.S. AS FAR SOUTH THE U.S. AS FAR SOUTH AS WASHINGTON, DC. AS WASHINGTON, DC. >> STEPHANIE RAMOS HAS >> STEPHANIE RAMOS HAS MORE UNPRECEDENTED WILDFIRES MORE UNPRECEDENTED WILDFIRES RAGING ACROSS EASTERN CANADA RAGING ACROSS EASTERN CANADA FOR A FIFTH DAY, MORE THAN FOR A FIFTH DAY, MORE THAN 16000 NOVA SCOTIANS UNDER 16000 NOVA SCOTIANS UNDER EVACUATION ORDERS. EVACUATION ORDERS. HUNDREDS OF STRUCTURES GUTTED HUNDREDS OF STRUCTURES GUTTED BY FIRES RISK WATERS. BY FIRES RISK WATERS. >> HIS FOUR CHILDREN AND DOG >> HIS FOUR CHILDREN AND DOG FLED THEIR HOME. FLED THEIR HOME. HE SAYS HE'S NERVOUSLY WATCHING HE SAYS HE'S NERVOUSLY WATCHING HIS HOME FROM HIS DOORBELL HIS HOME FROM HIS DOORBELL CAMERA. CAMERA. >> THIS WASN'T A COMMUNITY. >> THIS WASN'T A COMMUNITY. IT USED TO . IT USED TO . >> WILDFIRES TOLL >> WILDFIRES TOLL AND UNSEASONABLY WARM AND DRY AND UNSEASONABLY WARM AND DRY SPRING HAS FUELED THE FIRES SPRING HAS FUELED THE FIRES THAT HAVE NOW SCORCHED ROUGHLY THAT HAVE NOW SCORCHED ROUGHLY 77 SQUARE MILES. 77 SQUARE MILES. >> NOT EVEN WORTH IT, MAN. >> NOT EVEN WORTH IT, MAN. THAT'S NEARLY TWICE AS MUCH OF THAT'S NEARLY TWICE AS MUCH OF THE PREVIOUS RECORD SET THE PREVIOUS RECORD SET 47 YEARS GO EVERY DAY THAT 47 YEARS GO EVERY DAY THAT THE TEMPERATURE GOES UP THE TEMPERATURE GOES UP AND EVERY DAY THAT THE WINDS AND EVERY DAY THAT THE WINDS ARE SIGNIFICANT. ARE SIGNIFICANT. ALLOWS THOSE FUELS TO BECOME ALLOWS THOSE FUELS TO BECOME MORE AND MORE VOLATILE. MORE AND MORE VOLATILE. >> NOW, SMOKE IS SHIFTING >> NOW, SMOKE IS SHIFTING SOUTH, PROMPTING AIR QUALITY SOUTH, PROMPTING AIR QUALITY ALERTS IN NEW ENGLAND EXPECTED ALERTS IN NEW ENGLAND EXPECTED TO GO AS FAR SOUTH AS D.C. TO GO AS FAR SOUTH AS D.C. FIRE OFFICIALS WERE HOPING FOR FIRE OFFICIALS WERE HOPING FOR A BREAK IN THE DRY, WINDY A BREAK IN THE DRY, WINDY WEATHER, BUT THAT'S NOT WEATHER, BUT THAT'S NOT FORECAST TO HAPPEN UNTIL FRIDAY FORECAST TO HAPPEN UNTIL FRIDAY EVENING AT THE EARLIEST. EVENING AT THE EARLIEST. DIANE , RIGHT, STEPHANIE RAMOS. DIANE , RIGHT, STEPHANIE RAMOS. >> THANK YOU . >> THANK YOU . AND ABC NEWS CHIEF AND ABC NEWS CHIEF METEOROLOGIST, HEAD OF METEOROLOGIST, HEAD OF ABC'S CLIMATE UNIT GINGER ZEE ABC'S CLIMATE UNIT GINGER ZEE IS JOINING ME NOW FOR MORE ON IS JOINING ME NOW FOR MORE ON THIS GINGER ZEE. THIS GINGER ZEE. HOW ARE THESE FIRES IMPACTING HOW ARE THESE FIRES IMPACTING THE U.S. AND HOW THE FORECAST THE U.S. AND HOW THE FORECAST IMPACTING THE FIRES? IMPACTING THE FIRES? RIGHT. RIGHT. SO LET'S START WITH THE US . SO LET'S START WITH THE US . I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE SEEN THAT HAZE AND THE SMOKY SEEN THAT HAZE AND THE SMOKY SKIES ALL THE WAY FROM SKIES ALL THE WAY FROM WASHINGTON, D.C. WASHINGTON, D.C. TO PHILADELPHIA. TO PHILADELPHIA. WE'VE HAD THEM HERE IN WE'VE HAD THEM HERE IN NEW YORK CITY, ALL THROUGH NEW YORK CITY, ALL THROUGH NEW JERSEY AND PENNSYLVANIA. NEW JERSEY AND PENNSYLVANIA. WE'VE HAD A VERY DRY WE'VE HAD A VERY DRY AND STAGNANT PATTERN THAT SET AND STAGNANT PATTERN THAT SET UP AND SO LOOK AT THAT IMAGE. UP AND SO LOOK AT THAT IMAGE. THAT'S PHILADELPHIA AND THAT THAT'S PHILADELPHIA AND THAT LOW SMOKE IS FROM THE FIRES IN LOW SMOKE IS FROM THE FIRES IN CANADA. CANADA. SO IT CAN TRAVEL REALLY FAR , SO IT CAN TRAVEL REALLY FAR , ESPECIALLY IN THEIR LARGE. ESPECIALLY IN THEIR LARGE. AND YOU CAN SEE THE BURNING AND YOU CAN SEE THE BURNING THERE FROM THE AERIALS, THERE FROM THE AERIALS, THE FORECAST FOR THE FIRES THE FORECAST FOR THE FIRES THERE IN A LOW END DROUGHT IN THERE IN A LOW END DROUGHT IN NOVA SCOTIA. NOVA SCOTIA. CONCEDE SEE THAT WE BROUGHT CONCEDE SEE THAT WE BROUGHT THAT UP AND PUT THE FIRES WHERE THAT UP AND PUT THE FIRES WHERE THEY ARE LOCATED. THEY ARE LOCATED. SO YOU DON'T GET TO MODERATE SO YOU DON'T GET TO MODERATE DROUGHT UNTIL YOU GO DROUGHT UNTIL YOU GO A LITTLE FURTHER NORTH. A LITTLE FURTHER NORTH. GO WEST, THOUGH, AND WHAT'S GO WEST, THOUGH, AND WHAT'S REALLY REMARKABLE ABOUT REALLY REMARKABLE ABOUT CANADA'S FIRE SEASON ALREADY CANADA'S FIRE SEASON ALREADY IS HOW MUCH THEY'VE BURNED THIS IS HOW MUCH THEY'VE BURNED THIS EARLY. EARLY. THEY'RE AT THIRTEEN HUNDRED THEY'RE AT THIRTEEN HUNDRED PERCENT OF NORMAL. PERCENT OF NORMAL. THAT'S AN INCREDIBLE NUMBER. THAT'S AN INCREDIBLE NUMBER. FIVE PLUS MILLION ACRES ALREADY FIVE PLUS MILLION ACRES ALREADY BURNED FROM ALBERTA TO NOVA BURNED FROM ALBERTA TO NOVA SCOTIA. SCOTIA. AND TODAY'S THE START OF AND TODAY'S THE START OF THE ATLANTIC HURRICANE SEASON. THE ATLANTIC HURRICANE SEASON. SO WHAT ARE YOU WATCHING FOR SO WHAT ARE YOU WATCHING FOR ON THAT FRONT? ON THAT FRONT? SO FASCINATINGLY, JUNE 1ST HERE SO FASCINATINGLY, JUNE 1ST HERE WE ARE OFFICIALLY THE FIRST DAY WE ARE OFFICIALLY THE FIRST DAY AND WE'VE GOT SOMETHING WE'RE AND WE'VE GOT SOMETHING WE'RE WATCHING. WATCHING. COULD BECOME ARLENE. COULD BECOME ARLENE. IT'S GOT A 50 PERCENT CHANCE OF IT'S GOT A 50 PERCENT CHANCE OF DEVELOPMENT. DEVELOPMENT. IT'S GOT TO FIGHT THROUGH A LOT IT'S GOT TO FIGHT THROUGH A LOT TO TO GET A NAME. TO TO GET A NAME. BUT IT KIND HEADS SOUTH THROUGH BUT IT KIND HEADS SOUTH THROUGH THE WEEKEND. THE WEEKEND. AND NO MATTER IF IT GETS A NAME AND NO MATTER IF IT GETS A NAME OR NOT, I CAN PROMISE YOU YOU OR NOT, I CAN PROMISE YOU YOU GET HEAVY SHOWERS, ESPECIALLY GET HEAVY SHOWERS, ESPECIALLY MIAMI. MIAMI. THEY'VE ALREADY BEEN SO THEY'VE ALREADY BEEN SO SUPER SOAKED THERE, FORT SUPER SOAKED THERE, FORT LAUDERDALE, TOO. LAUDERDALE, TOO. BUT UP TO TAMPA WHERE THEY ARE, BUT UP TO TAMPA WHERE THEY ARE, WELL, BELOW AVERAGE. WELL, BELOW AVERAGE. SO THEY NEED THAT RAIN IS JUST SO THEY NEED THAT RAIN IS JUST GOING TO COME KIND OF QUICKLY. GOING TO COME KIND OF QUICKLY. SO LET'S SAY SAY IT GETS SO LET'S SAY SAY IT GETS ARLENE, WE DO LOOK FOR NAMED ARLENE, WE DO LOOK FOR NAMED STORMS IN THIS FORECAST TO BE STORMS IN THIS FORECAST TO BE 12 TO 17 HURRICANES. 12 TO 17 HURRICANES. WE'RE EXPECTING AN AVERAGE OF WE'RE EXPECTING AN AVERAGE OF SEVEN . SEVEN . THIS IS AN AVERAGE YEAR. THIS IS AN AVERAGE YEAR. AND METEOROLOGIST MAX COLOMBO AND METEOROLOGIST MAX COLOMBO AND SAM WINNECKE AND I WERE AND SAM WINNECKE AND I WERE TALKING ABOUT WHAT THAT WORD TALKING ABOUT WHAT THAT WORD MEANS, NORMAL, AVERAGE. MEANS, NORMAL, AVERAGE. THIS IS IT MEANS HURRICANES. THIS IS IT MEANS HURRICANES. YOU KNOW, WE DON'T WANT TO LET YOU KNOW, WE DON'T WANT TO LET THE GUARD DOWN BECAUSE YOU'VE THE GUARD DOWN BECAUSE YOU'VE HAD SEASONS THAT ARE SLOW OR HAD SEASONS THAT ARE SLOW OR BELOW AVERAGE. BELOW AVERAGE. AND THAT WOULD BE LIKE AN AND THAT WOULD BE LIKE AN ANDREW SEASON. ANDREW SEASON. SO ALL YOU NEED IS THE SO ALL YOU NEED IS THE ONE LANDFALLING FALLING ONE LANDFALLING FALLING HURRICANE. HURRICANE. >> AND WITH THE WARMING WATERS >> AND WITH THE WARMING WATERS AND WITH EL NINO HOLDING OFF AND WITH EL NINO HOLDING OFF A LITTLE , WE MAY SEE A LOT OF A LITTLE , WE MAY SEE A LOT OF ACTIVITY AT THE BEGINNING. ACTIVITY AT THE BEGINNING. AND WALK US THROUGH THAT AND WALK US THROUGH THAT A LITTLE BIT. A LITTLE BIT. FIRST OF ALL, WHAT EL NINO FIRST OF ALL, WHAT EL NINO IS FOR MAYBE PEOPLE WHO DON'T IS FOR MAYBE PEOPLE WHO DON'T KNOW AND HOW THAT IMPACTS ALL KNOW AND HOW THAT IMPACTS ALL OF THIS, THAT'S OKAY, BECAUSE OF THIS, THAT'S OKAY, BECAUSE EL NINO AND LA NINA ARE KIND OF EL NINO AND LA NINA ARE KIND OF OBSCURE THINGS THAT YOU HEAR OBSCURE THINGS THAT YOU HEAR ABOUT. ABOUT. BUT THEN YOU'RE LIKE EVERY YEAR BUT THEN YOU'RE LIKE EVERY YEAR YOU HAVE TO REMIND US , WHAT YOU HAVE TO REMIND US , WHAT IS THAT AGAIN? IS THAT AGAIN? EL NINO MEANS THAT EL NINO MEANS THAT THE TEMPERATURES OF THE PACIFIC THE TEMPERATURES OF THE PACIFIC OCEAN ARE WARMER THAN AVERAGE. OCEAN ARE WARMER THAN AVERAGE. THEY ARE ON THEIR WAY THERE. THEY ARE ON THEIR WAY THERE. IT LOOKS LIKE WE'LL GET THERE IT LOOKS LIKE WE'LL GET THERE BY LATE SUMMER. BY LATE SUMMER. OR EARLY FALL, DEFINITELY OR EARLY FALL, DEFINITELY BY WINTER. BY WINTER. WHAT THAT WOULD MEAN FOR WHAT THAT WOULD MEAN FOR HURRICANE SEASON IS SOMETIMES HURRICANE SEASON IS SOMETIMES AND THIS IS NOT EVERY SINGLE AND THIS IS NOT EVERY SINGLE SEASON WE'VE HAD AN EL NINO, SEASON WE'VE HAD AN EL NINO, BUT SOMETIMES IT CAN DEVELOP BUT SOMETIMES IT CAN DEVELOP QUITE A BIT OF WIND SHEAR. QUITE A BIT OF WIND SHEAR. WIND SHEAR KILLS HURRICANES. WIND SHEAR KILLS HURRICANES. THAT WOULD BE OUTSTANDING IF WE THAT WOULD BE OUTSTANDING IF WE COULD START THAT A LITTLE BIT COULD START THAT A LITTLE BIT EARLIER THAN WINTER. EARLIER THAN WINTER. AND GET IT IN SO IT CAN HELP AND GET IT IN SO IT CAN HELP KIND OF SUBDUE. KIND OF SUBDUE. BUT AGAIN, WE'VE HAD SEASONS BUT AGAIN, WE'VE HAD SEASONS WHERE WE'VE BEEN IN EL NINO WHERE WE'VE BEEN IN EL NINO AND THERE HAVE BEEN HORRENDOUS AND THERE HAVE BEEN HORRENDOUS HURRICANES AS WELL. HURRICANES AS WELL. SO I DON'T WANT TO PUT THAT OUT SO I DON'T WANT TO PUT THAT OUT THERE FOR TO JUST GIVE YOU THERE FOR TO JUST GIVE YOU THE INFORMATION. THE INFORMATION. AND NOW YOU REMEMBER WHAT EL AND NOW YOU REMEMBER WHAT EL NINO IS CROSSING FINGERS FOR. NINO IS CROSSING FINGERS FOR. >> NO BIG ONES THIS YEAR. >> NO BIG ONES THIS YEAR. GINGER ZEE. GINGER ZEE. THANK YOU . THANK YOU . >> GOT IT. >> GOT IT. COMING UP, WHAT TO KNOW IF COMING UP, WHAT TO KNOW IF YOU'RE LOOKING TO BUY YOU'RE LOOKING TO BUY YOUR FIRST HOME. YOUR FIRST HOME. OUR ALEXIS CHRISTOFOROUS OUR ALEXIS CHRISTOFOROUS IS TAKING YOUR FINANCE IS TAKING YOUR FINANCE QUESTIONS. QUESTIONS. ALSO AHEAD, THE DIRE WARNING ALSO AHEAD, THE DIRE WARNING ABOUT ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE. ABOUT ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE. WHY TOP EXPERTS SAY POSES A , WHY TOP EXPERTS SAY POSES A , QUOTE, RISK OF EXTINCTION. QUOTE, RISK OF EXTINCTION. WE'RE BREAKING IT ALL DOWN IN WE'RE BREAKING IT ALL DOWN IN OUR GROUP CHAT CO. OUR GROUP CHAT CO. THIS CASE, WHAT ALL ME THIS CASE, WHAT ALL ME 2024 FIGHTING ON ABC. 2024 FIGHTING ON ABC. WELCOME BACK TO "ABC NEWS LIVE" WELCOME BACK TO "ABC NEWS LIVE" . . IT IS TIME NOW FOR OUR WEEKLY IT IS TIME NOW FOR OUR WEEKLY SEGMENT. SEGMENT. ASK ALEXIS WHERE BUSINESS ASK ALEXIS WHERE BUSINESS REPORT ALEXIS CHRISTOFOROUS REPORT ALEXIS CHRISTOFOROUS SHARES FINANCIAL ADVICE SHARES FINANCIAL ADVICE ON THE TOPICS THAT MATTER MOST ON THE TOPICS THAT MATTER MOST TO YOU. TO YOU. AND TODAY SHE IS ANSWERING AND TODAY SHE IS ANSWERING YOUR QUESTIONS ON DOWN PAYMENTS YOUR QUESTIONS ON DOWN PAYMENTS AND MASTER'S DEGREES. AND MASTER'S DEGREES. SO LET'S TALK A LITTLE BIT SO LET'S TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT, ALEXIS . ABOUT THAT, ALEXIS . LET'S START WITH CAITLIN FROM LET'S START WITH CAITLIN FROM ALEXANDRIA. ALEXANDRIA. VIRGINIA. VIRGINIA. CAITLIN SAYS, I'M SAVING TO BUY CAITLIN SAYS, I'M SAVING TO BUY MY FIRST HOME IN THREE OR MY FIRST HOME IN THREE OR FOUR YEARS. FOUR YEARS. SO WHERE WOULD YOU RECOMMEND SO WHERE WOULD YOU RECOMMEND INVESTING OR SAVING THE MONEY INVESTING OR SAVING THE MONEY FOR THE DOWN PAYMENT? FOR THE DOWN PAYMENT? >> ALL RIGHT. >> ALL RIGHT. HEY, DIANE , THANK YOU . HEY, DIANE , THANK YOU . AND KAITLIN, THANKS FOR AND KAITLIN, THANKS FOR YOUR QUESTION, BECAUSE WHEREVER YOUR QUESTION, BECAUSE WHEREVER YOU CHOOSE TO PUT YOUR DOWN YOU CHOOSE TO PUT YOUR DOWN PAYMENT MONEY, IT NEEDS TO BE PAYMENT MONEY, IT NEEDS TO BE THREE THINGS. THREE THINGS. IT NEEDS TO BE EASILY IT NEEDS TO BE EASILY ACCESSIBLE, SAFE AND ALSO ABLE ACCESSIBLE, SAFE AND ALSO ABLE TO ACCESS ON A REGULAR BASIS. TO ACCESS ON A REGULAR BASIS. SO LET'S BREAK THIS DOWN FOR SO LET'S BREAK THIS DOWN FOR YOU . YOU . THE STOCK MARKET MIGHT GIVE YOU THE STOCK MARKET MIGHT GIVE YOU THE BEST OVERALL RETURN, BUT THE BEST OVERALL RETURN, BUT INVESTMENTS ARE NOT FDIC INVESTMENTS ARE NOT FDIC INSURED. INSURED. AND IF THERE IS A MARKET AND IF THERE IS A MARKET MELTDOWN BETWEEN NOW AND WHEN, MELTDOWN BETWEEN NOW AND WHEN, YOU NEED YOUR MONEY, YOU COULD YOU NEED YOUR MONEY, YOU COULD WIND UP LOSING SOME OR ALL OF WIND UP LOSING SOME OR ALL OF YOUR DOWN PAYMENT. YOUR DOWN PAYMENT. SO INSTEAD, CONSIDER A HIGH SO INSTEAD, CONSIDER A HIGH YIELD SAVINGS ACCOUNT OR YIELD SAVINGS ACCOUNT OR A MONEY MARKET ACCOUNT. A MONEY MARKET ACCOUNT. EACH OF THOSE ARE OFFERING EACH OF THOSE ARE OFFERING INTEREST RATES RIGHT NOW THAT INTEREST RATES RIGHT NOW THAT ARE EIGHT TO 20 TIMES ARE EIGHT TO 20 TIMES THE NATIONAL AVERAGE. THE NATIONAL AVERAGE. AND AS YOU HEARD ME SAY A LOT AND AS YOU HEARD ME SAY A LOT OF TIMES BEFORE, YOU ARE GOING OF TIMES BEFORE, YOU ARE GOING TO FIND THE MOST COMPETITIVE TO FIND THE MOST COMPETITIVE INTEREST RATES AT ONLINE BANKS. INTEREST RATES AT ONLINE BANKS. PLUS, YOU CAN CONTINUE TO THOSE PLUS, YOU CAN CONTINUE TO THOSE ACCOUNTS AND BUILD UP YOUR DOWN ACCOUNTS AND BUILD UP YOUR DOWN PAYMENT. PAYMENT. THAT'S ANOTHER NICE THING. THAT'S ANOTHER NICE THING. ABOUT THAT. ABOUT THAT. BUT YOU'RE GOING TO WANT TO BE BUT YOU'RE GOING TO WANT TO BE SURE TO COMPARE THINGS LIKE SURE TO COMPARE THINGS LIKE DEPOSIT REQUIREMENTS, INTEREST DEPOSIT REQUIREMENTS, INTEREST RATES, MINIMUM BALANCE RATES, MINIMUM BALANCE REQUIREMENTS AND FEES AND MAKE REQUIREMENTS AND FEES AND MAKE SURE THAT, OF COURSE, SURE THAT, OF COURSE, THEY'RE FDIC INSURED. THEY'RE FDIC INSURED. BUT REMEMBER, RATES FOR HIGH BUT REMEMBER, RATES FOR HIGH SAVINGS AND MONEY MARKET SAVINGS AND MONEY MARKET ACCOUNTS CAN GO UP OR DOWN AT ACCOUNTS CAN GO UP OR DOWN AT ANY TIME. ANY TIME. SO IF YOU WANT TO LOCK IN AN SO IF YOU WANT TO LOCK IN AN INTEREST RATE RIGHT NOW INTEREST RATE RIGHT NOW AND THEY'RE PRETTY ATTRACTIVE, AND THEY'RE PRETTY ATTRACTIVE, YOU MIGHT WANT TO OPEN UP YOU MIGHT WANT TO OPEN UP A CERTIFICATE OF DEPOSIT THAT A CERTIFICATE OF DEPOSIT THAT FITS YOUR TIMELINE. FITS YOUR TIMELINE. SO MAYBE THAT'S A CD THAT SO MAYBE THAT'S A CD THAT MATURES IN TWO TO THREE YEARS. MATURES IN TWO TO THREE YEARS. AND HERE'S WHAT I LIKE ABOUT AND HERE'S WHAT I LIKE ABOUT THAT, KAITLYNN, SINCE YOU CAN'T THAT, KAITLYNN, SINCE YOU CAN'T ACCESS YOUR MONEY DURING THAT ACCESS YOUR MONEY DURING THAT TIME, YOU WON'T BE TEMPTED TIME, YOU WON'T BE TEMPTED TO DIP INTO IT AND YOU'LL STILL TO DIP INTO IT AND YOU'LL STILL BE ABLE TO WITHDRAW THAT MONEY, BE ABLE TO WITHDRAW THAT MONEY, HOPEFULLY IN TIME FOR THAT DOWN HOPEFULLY IN TIME FOR THAT DOWN PAYMENT. PAYMENT. >> AND ALEXIS HERMAN FROM >> AND ALEXIS HERMAN FROM PITTSBURGH WANTS TO KNOW, IS IT PITTSBURGH WANTS TO KNOW, IS IT A GOOD IDEA TO GO FOR A GOOD IDEA TO GO FOR MY MASTER'S DEGREE? MY MASTER'S DEGREE? IF IT MEANS GETTING A LOAN IF IT MEANS GETTING A LOAN AND TAKING ON MORE DEBT, MAYBE AND TAKING ON MORE DEBT, MAYBE IT'S WORTH IT IF MY HIGHER IT'S WORTH IT IF MY HIGHER DEGREE HELPS ME EARN MORE MONEY DEGREE HELPS ME EARN MORE MONEY IN THE LONG RUN. IN THE LONG RUN. >> WELL, THIS IS A HOTLY >> WELL, THIS IS A HOTLY DEBATED TOPIC FOR A LOT OF DEBATED TOPIC FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE. PEOPLE. >> BUT BEFORE YOU JUMP IN >> BUT BEFORE YOU JUMP IN AND APPLY FOR THAT MASTER'S AND APPLY FOR THAT MASTER'S DEGREE, I WANT YOU TO DO DEGREE, I WANT YOU TO DO SOMETHING. SOMETHING. I WANT YOU TO TALK TO THE I WANT YOU TO TALK TO THE PEOPLE ALREADY WORKING IN PEOPLE ALREADY WORKING IN THE FIELD, THOSE WHO HAVE AND THE FIELD, THOSE WHO HAVE AND THOSE WHO DO NOT HAVE THAT THOSE WHO DO NOT HAVE THAT EXTRA DEGREE AND ASK THEM, DID EXTRA DEGREE AND ASK THEM, DID THEY REALLY NEED IT? THEY REALLY NEED IT? WAS IT WORTH IT? WAS IT WORTH IT? OF COURSE, THERE WERE OF COURSE, THERE WERE SOME INDUSTRIES WERE HAVING AN SOME INDUSTRIES WERE HAVING AN ADVANCED DEGREE IS REQUIRED IN ADVANCED DEGREE IS REQUIRED IN ORDER TO MOVE ON , LIKE BEING ORDER TO MOVE ON , LIKE BEING A PROFESSOR OR A DOCTOR. A PROFESSOR OR A DOCTOR. OR A LAWYER. OR A LAWYER. AND IN SOME FIELDS, THE HIGHER AND IN SOME FIELDS, THE HIGHER DEGREE COULD REALLY MEAN HIGHER DEGREE COULD REALLY MEAN HIGHER EARNINGS POWER. EARNINGS POWER. I KNOW THAT I , I HAVE A NUMBER I KNOW THAT I , I HAVE A NUMBER OF FRIENDS IN THE BUSINESS OF FRIENDS IN THE BUSINESS WORLD WHO HAVE MASTER'S WORLD WHO HAVE MASTER'S DEGREES, BUT IT DIDN'T HELP DEGREES, BUT IT DIDN'T HELP THEM EARN MORE MONEY. THEM EARN MORE MONEY. SOMETIMES REAL WORK EXPERIENCE SOMETIMES REAL WORK EXPERIENCE CAN BE JUST AS VALUABLE IF NOT CAN BE JUST AS VALUABLE IF NOT MORE VALUABLE THAN THAT MORE VALUABLE THAN THAT ADVANCED DEGREE, DEPENDING ADVANCED DEGREE, DEPENDING ON THE INDUSTRY. ON THE INDUSTRY. FOR EXAMPLE, AFTER I GRADUATED FOR EXAMPLE, AFTER I GRADUATED FROM NYU, I JUMP STARTED FROM NYU, I JUMP STARTED MY BROADCASTING CAREER AT MY BROADCASTING CAREER AT A RADIO STATION AND DECIDED NOT A RADIO STATION AND DECIDED NOT TO GO TO GRADUATE SCHOOL. TO GO TO GRADUATE SCHOOL. SO, DIANE , I THINK THIS IS A SO, DIANE , I THINK THIS IS A VERY PERSONAL QUESTION FOR LOTS VERY PERSONAL QUESTION FOR LOTS OF FOLKS, AND IT REALLY COMES OF FOLKS, AND IT REALLY COMES DOWN TO WHAT INDUSTRY DOWN TO WHAT INDUSTRY YOU'RE LOOKING YOU'RE LOOKING ALEXIS CHRISTOFOROUS. ALEXIS CHRISTOFOROUS. THANKS FOR THAT. THANKS FOR THAT. AND IF YOU WANT TO ASK AND IF YOU WANT TO ASK ALEXIS ANY PERSONAL FINANCE ALEXIS ANY PERSONAL FINANCE QUESTIONS, JUST LEAVE A MESSAGE QUESTIONS, JUST LEAVE A MESSAGE ON OUR INSTAGRAM FEED ON OUR INSTAGRAM FEED "ABC NEWS LIVE". "ABC NEWS LIVE". ALEXIS MIGHT ANSWER ALEXIS MIGHT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION RIGHT HERE YOUR QUESTION RIGHT HERE ON THE AIR. ON THE AIR. NEXT THURSDAY. NEXT THURSDAY. >> COMING UP, THE DIRE WARNING >> COMING UP, THE DIRE WARNING ABOUT ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE. ABOUT ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE. WHY TOP TOP EXPERTS SAY IT WHY TOP TOP EXPERTS SAY IT POSES A RISK OF EXTINCTION. POSES A RISK OF EXTINCTION. WE'RE BREAKING IT THE STORY WE'RE BREAKING IT THE STORY WILL TAKE YOU THERE. WILL TAKE YOU THERE. YOU'RE STREAMING YOU'RE STREAMING "ABC NEWS LIVE". "ABC NEWS LIVE". WELCOME BACK. WELCOME BACK. A NEW WARNING ABOUT A NEW WARNING ABOUT THE POTENTIAL RISKS OF THE POTENTIAL RISKS OF ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE IS STIRRING DEBATE OVER IS STIRRING DEBATE OVER HOW THE TECHNOLOGY SHOULD HOW THE TECHNOLOGY SHOULD BE DEVELOPED. BE DEVELOPED. THREE HUNDRED AND FIFTY EXPERTS THREE HUNDRED AND FIFTY EXPERTS ,TECH EXECUTIVES HAVE SIGNED ,TECH EXECUTIVES HAVE SIGNED ON TO A STATEMENT SAYING ON TO A STATEMENT SAYING MITIGATING THE RISK OF MITIGATING THE RISK OF EXTINCTION FROM A.I. SHOULD EXTINCTION FROM A.I. SHOULD BE A GLOBAL PRIORITY ALONGSIDE BE A GLOBAL PRIORITY ALONGSIDE OTHERS, SOCIETAL SCALE RISKS OTHERS, SOCIETAL SCALE RISKS SUCH AS PANDEMICS AND NUCLEAR SUCH AS PANDEMICS AND NUCLEAR WAR. WAR. THE DIRECTOR OF THE CENTER FOR THE DIRECTOR OF THE CENTER FOR A.I. SAFETY SAYS THE RISKS COME A.I. SAFETY SAYS THE RISKS COME FROM THE INCREDIBLE SPEED OF FROM THE INCREDIBLE SPEED OF DEVELOPMENT AND CONCERNS OF BAD DEVELOPMENT AND CONCERNS OF BAD ACTORS. ACTORS. USING A.I. MALICIOUSLY COULD USING A.I. MALICIOUSLY COULD GET TO A STATE WHERE THE U.S. GET TO A STATE WHERE THE U.S. IS WHERE WE CAN ENJOY IS WHERE WE CAN ENJOY THE POSITIVES. THE POSITIVES. >> IF WE BRING A DEVELOPMENT >> IF WE BRING A DEVELOPMENT TO A MORE CAUTIOUS RISK LEVEL. TO A MORE CAUTIOUS RISK LEVEL. BUT OTHERS SAY ARTIFICIAL BUT OTHERS SAY ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE COULD HELP INTELLIGENCE COULD HELP US SOLVE EXISTENTIAL PROBLEMS US SOLVE EXISTENTIAL PROBLEMS LIKE WAR AND DISEASE. LIKE WAR AND DISEASE. SO LET'S TAKE THIS TO OUR GROUP SO LET'S TAKE THIS TO OUR GROUP CHAT ABC NEWS. CHAT ABC NEWS. CONTRIBUTOR, GOOGLE TECH FELLOW CONTRIBUTOR, GOOGLE TECH FELLOW MIKE MIEUX JOINS ME NOW, ALONG MIKE MIEUX JOINS ME NOW, ALONG WITH ABC NEWS NATIONAL SECURITY WITH ABC NEWS NATIONAL SECURITY AND DEFENSE ANALYST AND DEFENSE ANALYST MARCUS MOORE MULROY MARCUS MOORE MULROY AND ABC NEWS CONTRIBUTOR, AND ABC NEWS CONTRIBUTOR, FORMER HOMELAND SECURITY FORMER HOMELAND SECURITY OFFICIAL ELIZABETH NEUMANN. OFFICIAL ELIZABETH NEUMANN. MIKE , I WANT TO START WITH THE MIKE , I WANT TO START WITH THE FOUNDER OF DEEP LEARNING. FOUNDER OF DEEP LEARNING. I SAYS ON TWITTER THAT WHEN IT I SAYS ON TWITTER THAT WHEN IT COMES TO THINGS LIKE PANDEMICS, COMES TO THINGS LIKE PANDEMICS, CLIMATE CHANGE, ASTEROIDS, A.I. CLIMATE CHANGE, ASTEROIDS, A.I. WILL BE A KEY PART OF WILL BE A KEY PART OF THE SOLUTION. THE SOLUTION. SO HE'S ESSENTIALLY SAYING WE SO HE'S ESSENTIALLY SAYING WE SHOULD WANT A.I. TO GO FASTER, SHOULD WANT A.I. TO GO FASTER, NOT SLOWER. NOT SLOWER. >> WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THAT? >> WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THAT? ABSOLUTELY. ABSOLUTELY. BECAUSE THE MORE FASTER YOU GO, BECAUSE THE MORE FASTER YOU GO, THE BETTER INNOVATION YOU CAN THE BETTER INNOVATION YOU CAN HAVE IN ORDER TO TRY AND DO HAVE IN ORDER TO TRY AND DO YOUR BEST TO PREVENT NATURAL YOUR BEST TO PREVENT NATURAL DISASTERS, TO DO YOUR BEST DISASTERS, TO DO YOUR BEST TO PROTECT AMERICA AND SOCIETY TO PROTECT AMERICA AND SOCIETY FROM ANY THINGS SUCH AS AN FROM ANY THINGS SUCH AS AN ASTEROID. ASTEROID. HOW DO YOU TARGET A MISSILE, HOW DO YOU TARGET A MISSILE, FOR EXAMPLE, TO BE ABLE FOR EXAMPLE, TO BE ABLE TO TARGET THE ASTEROID, BUT TO TARGET THE ASTEROID, BUT ALSO TO HOW CAN YOU PREDICT ALSO TO HOW CAN YOU PREDICT WHEN THE ASH IS ABOUT TO BECOME WHEN THE ASH IS ABOUT TO BECOME CLOSER TO THE EARTH'S SURFACE CLOSER TO THE EARTH'S SURFACE AND OF TIME? AND OF TIME? THAT'S HARD TO READ. THAT'S HARD TO READ. AND SO YOU CAN HAVE BETTER AND SO YOU CAN HAVE BETTER IMPROVEMENT OF THE SYSTEMS IMPROVEMENT OF THE SYSTEMS YOU CAN DETECT WITH MORE YOU CAN DETECT WITH MORE SPECIFIC WEAKNESS WHERE IT SPECIFIC WEAKNESS WHERE IT COULD POSSIBLY LAND. COULD POSSIBLY LAND. WHERE EXACTLY IF YOU TARGET, WHERE EXACTLY IF YOU TARGET, WHERE WOULD IT LAND? WHERE WOULD IT LAND? IN WHICH OCEAN WILL IT LAND IN WHICH OCEAN WILL IT LAND OVER A BODY OF LAND? OVER A BODY OF LAND? OR MASS ? OR MASS ? AND SO THOSE ARE THE WONDERFUL AND SO THOSE ARE THE WONDERFUL WAYS THAT I COULD A TOOL FOR WAYS THAT I COULD A TOOL FOR GOOD. GOOD. >> SO IN THE WRONG HANDS, IT >> SO IN THE WRONG HANDS, IT COULD BE DANGEROUS. COULD BE DANGEROUS. BUT IN THE RIGHT HANDS, IT BUT IN THE RIGHT HANDS, IT COULD ALSO HELP DEFEND AGAINST COULD ALSO HELP DEFEND AGAINST SOME OF THESE THINGS. SOME OF THESE THINGS. >> YOU GOT IT. >> YOU GOT IT. NOW, ELIZABETH , THE CENTER FOR NOW, ELIZABETH , THE CENTER FOR SAFETY HAS WARNED OF SEVERAL SAFETY HAS WARNED OF SEVERAL WORST CASE SCENARIOS, LIKE WORST CASE SCENARIOS, LIKE SOMEONE USING A.I. TO BUILD SOMEONE USING A.I. TO BUILD CHEMICAL WEAPONS OR TO GENERATE CHEMICAL WEAPONS OR TO GENERATE DISINFORMED THAT DESTABILIZES DISINFORMED THAT DESTABILIZES SOCIETY. SOCIETY. HOW CONCERNING IS THAT AND WHAT HOW CONCERNING IS THAT AND WHAT ARE OFFICIALS DOING TO TRY ARE OFFICIALS DOING TO TRY TO PREVENT IT? TO PREVENT IT? >> IT IT'S VERY CONCERNING. >> IT IT'S VERY CONCERNING. WE SHOULD BE STUDENTS OF WE SHOULD BE STUDENTS OF HISTORY ANY TIME THERE IS GREAT HISTORY ANY TIME THERE IS GREAT TECHNOLOGICAL INNOVATION, IT TECHNOLOGICAL INNOVATION, IT CAN IT HAS POWER FOR GREAT CAN IT HAS POWER FOR GREAT GOOD. GOOD. BUT IT ALSO HAS POWER FOR GREAT BUT IT ALSO HAS POWER FOR GREAT HARM. HARM. AND RIGHT NOW, THE CURRENT AND RIGHT NOW, THE CURRENT LANDSCAPE IS THIS IS WILD WEST LANDSCAPE IS THIS IS WILD WEST THERE. THERE. THERE ARE NO REGULATORY SCHEMAS THERE ARE NO REGULATORY SCHEMAS IN PLACE. IN PLACE. AND WE'RE HEARING FROM THE TECH AND WE'RE HEARING FROM THE TECH COMPANIES, HEY, WE NEED THAT. COMPANIES, HEY, WE NEED THAT. AND I THINK WE NEED TO THAT. AND I THINK WE NEED TO THAT. I MEAN, HERE ARE SOME OF I MEAN, HERE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS, RIGHT? THE THINGS, RIGHT? LIKE, REALLY, IT'S THE POWER, LIKE, REALLY, IT'S THE POWER, THE IMAGINATION FOR HOW BAD THE IMAGINATION FOR HOW BAD THIS COULD GO . THIS COULD GO . BUT YOU COULD HAVE NATION STATE BUT YOU COULD HAVE NATION STATE ACTORS OR NON-STATE ACTORS ACTORS OR NON-STATE ACTORS USE A.I. TO DEVELOP NEW WAYS USE A.I. TO DEVELOP NEW WAYS TO DO CHEMICAL ATTACKS, TO DO CHEMICAL ATTACKS, NEW WAYS TO DO CYBERATTACKS, NEW WAYS TO DO CYBERATTACKS, DON'T FORGET THAT CYBERATTACKS DON'T FORGET THAT CYBERATTACKS ARE NOT JUST ABOUT STEALING ARE NOT JUST ABOUT STEALING YOUR MONEY. YOUR MONEY. IT COULD BE DISRUPTING POWER, IT COULD BE DISRUPTING POWER, DISRUPTING WATER, DISRUPTING WATER, ACTUALLY IMPACTING OUR ABILITY ACTUALLY IMPACTING OUR ABILITY TO LIVE OUR DAILY LIVES. TO LIVE OUR DAILY LIVES. SO THERE'S ANY NUMBER OF WAYS SO THERE'S ANY NUMBER OF WAYS IN WHICH THIS COULD GO TERRIBLY IN WHICH THIS COULD GO TERRIBLY WRONG. WRONG. AND IT'S IT'S NOT THAT WE'RE AND IT'S IT'S NOT THAT WE'RE CLOSE TO THAT MOMENT YET. CLOSE TO THAT MOMENT YET. IT'S THAT THERE'S NO THERE'S NO IT'S THAT THERE'S NO THERE'S NO GOVERNING BODY MAKING SURE THAT GOVERNING BODY MAKING SURE THAT THE NEFARIOUS ACTORS DON'T DO THE NEFARIOUS ACTORS DON'T DO THAT. THAT. AND WE NEED TO BE TREATING THIS AND WE NEED TO BE TREATING THIS THE WAY WE TREAT NUCLEAR OR THE WAY WE TREAT NUCLEAR OR BIOLOGICAL DEVELOPMENT AND MAKE BIOLOGICAL DEVELOPMENT AND MAKE SURE THAT IT'S USED FOR GOOD SURE THAT IT'S USED FOR GOOD AND NOT FOR HARM. AND NOT FOR HARM. >> MICK, HOW DO THE U.S. >> MICK, HOW DO THE U.S. MILITARY AND OUR ADVERSARIES MILITARY AND OUR ADVERSARIES USE A.I. ON THE BATTLEFIELD USE A.I. ON THE BATTLEFIELD NOW? NOW? GIVEN HOW FAST THIS TECHNOLOGY GIVEN HOW FAST THIS TECHNOLOGY IS DEVELOPING? IS DEVELOPING? >> WHERE DO YOU SEE THAT GOING >> WHERE DO YOU SEE THAT GOING ? ? >> SO I HAD TO GIVE YOU A >> SO I HAD TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BACKGROUND. LITTLE BACKGROUND. THE U.S. HAS WHAT'S CALLED THE U.S. HAS WHAT'S CALLED THE THIRD OFFSET STRATEGY. THE THIRD OFFSET STRATEGY. IT HAS TO DO WITH TRYING TO GET IT HAS TO DO WITH TRYING TO GET A BIG ADVANCEMENT IN TECHNOLOGY A BIG ADVANCEMENT IN TECHNOLOGY OVER ADVERSARIES. OVER ADVERSARIES. THE FIRST WAS NUCLEAR WEAPONS. THE FIRST WAS NUCLEAR WEAPONS. THE SECOND WAS GLOBAL THE SECOND WAS GLOBAL POSITIONING SATELLITES. POSITIONING SATELLITES. PRECISION MUNITIONS. PRECISION MUNITIONS. AND THE THIRD LOOKS LIKE IT'S AND THE THIRD LOOKS LIKE IT'S GOING TO BE ARTIFICIAL GOING TO BE ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE ATTACHED INTELLIGENCE ATTACHED TO AUTONOMOUS VEHICLES. TO AUTONOMOUS VEHICLES. HOW DO WE USE IT NOW? HOW DO WE USE IT NOW? WE USE IT FOR THINGS LIKE WE USE IT FOR THINGS LIKE IDENTIFYING AN INDIVIDUAL, LIKE IDENTIFYING AN INDIVIDUAL, LIKE A TERRORIST SUSPECT, FOR A TERRORIST SUSPECT, FOR EXAMPLE, BY BEING ABLE EXAMPLE, BY BEING ABLE TO SEARCH THOUSANDS OF PICTURES TO SEARCH THOUSANDS OF PICTURES OF FACES OR VIDEOS OF BASES, IF OF FACES OR VIDEOS OF BASES, IF IT'S FROM A DRONE, TO BE ABLE IT'S FROM A DRONE, TO BE ABLE TO IDENTIFY IT OR IDENTIFYING TO IDENTIFY IT OR IDENTIFYING A THREAT. A THREAT. >> WE MIGHT NOT KNOW WHO IT >> WE MIGHT NOT KNOW WHO IT IS , BUT THEY'RE CARRYING IS , BUT THEY'RE CARRYING A WEAPON IN A PLACE A WEAPON IN A PLACE THEY SHOULDN'T. THEY SHOULDN'T. BUT IT'S ALSO USED FOR MUNDANE BUT IT'S ALSO USED FOR MUNDANE THINGS LIKE TRYING TO PREDICT THINGS LIKE TRYING TO PREDICT MAINTENANCE ON TANKS MAINTENANCE ON TANKS AND AIRCRAFT AND ALL THOSE AND AIRCRAFT AND ALL THOSE THINGS AND SEARCHING COPIOUS THINGS AND SEARCHING COPIOUS AMOUNTS OF INFORMATION, LOOKING AMOUNTS OF INFORMATION, LOOKING FOR POTENTIAL THREATS OR FOR POTENTIAL THREATS OR INFORMATION THAT INFORMATION THAT WHATEVER REASON WE DECIDED WE WHATEVER REASON WE DECIDED WE NEED TO KNOW SOMETHING THAT NEED TO KNOW SOMETHING THAT WOULD TAKE HUNDREDS, IF NOT WOULD TAKE HUNDREDS, IF NOT THOUSANDS OF MAN HOURS TO DO THOUSANDS OF MAN HOURS TO DO SO. SO. IT'S USED SIGNIFICANTLY NOW, IT'S USED SIGNIFICANTLY NOW, BUT IN THE FUTURE IT'S LIKELY BUT IN THE FUTURE IT'S LIKELY TO BE USED IN ALL SORTS OF TO BE USED IN ALL SORTS OF THINGS, INCLUDING DRONE SWARMS THINGS, INCLUDING DRONE SWARMS AND AUTONOMOUS, BASICALLY AND AUTONOMOUS, BASICALLY SUPER SOLDIERS. SUPER SOLDIERS. AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE ARE MOST CONCERNED ABOUT. ARE MOST CONCERNED ABOUT. WHETHER THAT GETS OUT OF WHETHER THAT GETS OUT OF CONTROL AND THERE'S NO CONTROL AND THERE'S NO GOVERNING BODY TO RESTRICT WHAT GOVERNING BODY TO RESTRICT WHAT CAN BE USED AND HOW IT CAN CAN BE USED AND HOW IT CAN BE USED. BE USED. >> AND LIKE ANOTHER WORST CASE >> AND LIKE ANOTHER WORST CASE SCENARIO IS THE POTENTIAL FOR SCENARIO IS THE POTENTIAL FOR HUMANS TO BECOME TOO RELIANT HUMANS TO BECOME TOO RELIANT ON A YOU KNOW, YOU THINK OF ON A YOU KNOW, YOU THINK OF THE MOVIE WISELY, WHERE PEOPLE THE MOVIE WISELY, WHERE PEOPLE EVEN FORGET HOW TO WALK BECAUSE EVEN FORGET HOW TO WALK BECAUSE THEY'RE SO USED TO MACHINES THEY'RE SO USED TO MACHINES DOING EVERYTHING FROM THEM. DOING EVERYTHING FROM THEM. SO HOW DO YOU PREVENT THAT FROM SO HOW DO YOU PREVENT THAT FROM HAPPENING? HAPPENING? HOW DO YOU KEEP A BALANCE HERE? HOW DO YOU KEEP A BALANCE HERE? >> YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF >> YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN PREVENT IT'S JUST LIKE YOU CAN PREVENT IT'S JUST LIKE HOW WE ARE ADDICTED HOW WE ARE ADDICTED WITH TECHNOLOGY BECAUSE WITH TECHNOLOGY BECAUSE TECHNOLOGY IS SO FASCINATING. TECHNOLOGY IS SO FASCINATING. TECHNOLOGY, WHEN IT'S DONE WELL TECHNOLOGY, WHEN IT'S DONE WELL IS ALWAYS ABOUT HOW CAN IT IS ALWAYS ABOUT HOW CAN IT BE AT A TO OUR DAILY LIFESTYLE? BE AT A TO OUR DAILY LIFESTYLE? HOW CAN IT BE A COMPLIMENT? HOW CAN IT BE A COMPLIMENT? HOW CAN HELP US BE BETTER HOW CAN HELP US BE BETTER AND HOW CAN IT HELP US EVEN AND HOW CAN IT HELP US EVEN BE MORE ENTERTAINING IF BE MORE ENTERTAINING IF YOU THINK ABOUT THE DIGITAL YOU THINK ABOUT THE DIGITAL STREAMING FORMATS SUCH AS LIKE STREAMING FORMATS SUCH AS LIKE NETFLIX AND HULU, YOU OFTEN NETFLIX AND HULU, YOU OFTEN GET CAUGHT UP IN THE BINGEING GET CAUGHT UP IN THE BINGEING ASPECT. ASPECT. RIGHT? RIGHT? SO THAT CHANGED HOW WE WATCH SO THAT CHANGED HOW WE WATCH TELEVISION. TELEVISION. IF YOU THINK ABOUT IF YOU THINK ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENTS OF CELL PHONES THE DEVELOPMENTS OF CELL PHONES AND HOW ADVANCED CELL PHONES AND HOW ADVANCED CELL PHONES ARE NOW, OUR CELL PHONES ARE ARE NOW, OUR CELL PHONES ARE PRETTY MUCH A MINI LAPTOP IN PRETTY MUCH A MINI LAPTOP IN OUR HANDS. OUR HANDS. MOST OF US SAY THAT WE'RE MOST OF US SAY THAT WE'RE PROBABLY ADDICTED TO ON SOCIAL PROBABLY ADDICTED TO ON SOCIAL MEDIA. MEDIA. WE GET ADDICTED TO SOCIAL MEDIA WE GET ADDICTED TO SOCIAL MEDIA AND THE APPS. AND THE APPS. AND SO IT'S NO DIFFERENT OF AND SO IT'S NO DIFFERENT OF A.I. IN THE SENSE OF HOW IT'S A.I. IN THE SENSE OF HOW IT'S GOING TO BE AN AID TO US. GOING TO BE AN AID TO US. BUT I DON'T SEE IT BEING AS ANY BUT I DON'T SEE IT BEING AS ANY OTHER PRODUCT THAT WE'RE NOT, OTHER PRODUCT THAT WE'RE NOT, QUOTE UNQUOTE, ADDICTED QUOTE UNQUOTE, ADDICTED TO ALREADY. TO ALREADY. ELIZABETH , SOME CRITICS ARE ELIZABETH , SOME CRITICS ARE SAYING THAT ORGANIZATIONS SAYING THAT ORGANIZATIONS CALLING FOR REGULATION CALLING FOR REGULATION ONLY WANT REGULATION THAT ONLY WANT REGULATION THAT FAVORS THEIR OWN COMPANIES. FAVORS THEIR OWN COMPANIES. >> SO HOW SHOULD LAWMAKERS >> SO HOW SHOULD LAWMAKERS GO ABOUT THIS? GO ABOUT THIS? SO I WANT TO ACTUALLY PICK UP SO I WANT TO ACTUALLY PICK UP ON THE POINT THAT MIKE WAS ON THE POINT THAT MIKE WAS MAKING THERE AND SUGGEST THAT MAKING THERE AND SUGGEST THAT WE NEED TO BE REALLY THOUGHTFUL WE NEED TO BE REALLY THOUGHTFUL ABOUT HOW OUR TECHNOLOGY ABOUT HOW OUR TECHNOLOGY IS REWIRING OUR BRAINS IS REWIRING OUR BRAINS AND CHANGING WHAT IT MEANS AND CHANGING WHAT IT MEANS TO BE HUMAN. TO BE HUMAN. >> WE ARE SEEING THAT IT HAS >> WE ARE SEEING THAT IT HAS A PARTICULARLY PROFOUND IMPACT A PARTICULARLY PROFOUND IMPACT ON ADOLESCENTS AND IN THE FIELD ON ADOLESCENTS AND IN THE FIELD I COME FROM OF TERRORISM, WE I COME FROM OF TERRORISM, WE ARE SEEING THAT IT SEEMS TO BE ARE SEEING THAT IT SEEMS TO BE DRIVING VIOLENCE, NOT JUST DRIVING VIOLENCE, NOT JUST THE EXPOSURE TO RADICALIZE THE EXPOSURE TO RADICALIZE MATERIAL ONLINE, BUT IT MATERIAL ONLINE, BUT IT ACTUALLY THE WAY THAT IT'S ACTUALLY THE WAY THAT IT'S CHANGING IDENTITY FORMATION, CHANGING IDENTITY FORMATION, THE WAY THAT IT'S CHANGING THE WAY THAT IT'S CHANGING THE WAY WE INTERACT WITH HUMAN THE WAY WE INTERACT WITH HUMAN BEINGS, IT MIGHT ACTUALLY BE BEINGS, IT MIGHT ACTUALLY BE LEADING US TO BE LESS HUMAN LEADING US TO BE LESS HUMAN AND THEREFORE MORE EASILY AND THEREFORE MORE EASILY AND MORE PRONE TO VIOLENCE. AND MORE PRONE TO VIOLENCE. SO THERE ARE THESE OTHER ALMOST SO THERE ARE THESE OTHER ALMOST PHILOSOPHICAL QUESTIONS THAT WE PHILOSOPHICAL QUESTIONS THAT WE REALLY SHOULD BE GRAPPLING REALLY SHOULD BE GRAPPLING WITH AS HUMANITY. WITH AS HUMANITY. WHAT DO WE WANT TO USE THIS WHAT DO WE WANT TO USE THIS TECHNOLOGY FOR AND NOT JUST LET TECHNOLOGY FOR AND NOT JUST LET IT GO NILLY, BUT AS IT IT GO NILLY, BUT AS IT PERTAINS TO REGULATION, PERTAINS TO REGULATION, CONGRESS NEEDS TO ACT. CONGRESS NEEDS TO ACT. WE DON'T HAVE I DON'T HAVE MUCH WE DON'T HAVE I DON'T HAVE MUCH HOPE THAT CONGRESS IS GOING HOPE THAT CONGRESS IS GOING TO DO SOMETHING UNTIL WE SEE TO DO SOMETHING UNTIL WE SEE REALLY NEGATIVE EFFECTS START REALLY NEGATIVE EFFECTS START TO PLAY OUT THAT THAT TENDS TO PLAY OUT THAT THAT TENDS TO BE WHEN WE SEE CONGRESS ACT, TO BE WHEN WE SEE CONGRESS ACT, UNFORTUNATELY, IS AFTER UNFORTUNATELY, IS AFTER SOMETHING BAD HAS HAPPENED. SOMETHING BAD HAS HAPPENED. WE WILL BE WATCHING IT LONG WE WILL BE WATCHING IT LONG BEFORE THEN. BEFORE THEN. THANK YOU ALL. THANK YOU ALL. MY VIEWS. MY VIEWS. ELIZABETH NEUMANN, MIC MULROY, ELIZABETH NEUMANN, MIC MULROY, THANK YOU AND THANK YOU FOR THANK YOU AND THANK YOU FOR STREAMING WITH US STREAMING WITH US ON "ABC NEWS LIVE". ON "ABC NEWS LIVE". I'M DIANE MACEDO. I'M DIANE MACEDO. YOU CAN ALWAYS FIND US ON HULU, YOU CAN ALWAYS FIND US ON HULU, ROKU, THE ABC NEWS APP AND OF ROKU, THE ABC NEWS APP AND OF COURSE ON ABCNEWS.CO