TONIGHT, AVERTING AN ECONOMIC DISASTER. DISASTER. >> NO ONE GOT EVERYTHING >> NO ONE GOT EVERYTHING THEY WANTED BUT THE AMERICAN THEY WANTED BUT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE GOT WHAT THEY NEEDED. PEOPLE GOT WHAT THEY NEEDED. WE AVERTED AN ECONOMIC CRISIS, WE AVERTED AN ECONOMIC CRISIS, AN ECONOMIC COLLAPSE. AN ECONOMIC COLLAPSE. >> THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED >> THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES PREPARING TO SIGN THAT STATES PREPARING TO SIGN THAT DEBT CEILING BILL AFTER IT DEBT CEILING BILL AFTER IT FINALLY PASSED CONGRESS. FINALLY PASSED CONGRESS. WHAT THAT MEANS FOR CONSUMERS. WHAT THAT MEANS FOR CONSUMERS. PLUS, I'VE GOT AS EXTREME AS , PLUS, I'VE GOT AS EXTREME AS , YOU KNOW, EATING A RICE KRISPIE YOU KNOW, EATING A RICE KRISPIE TREAT AND BEING LIKE,, THAT'S TREAT AND BEING LIKE,, THAT'S ONE HUNDRED CALORIES. ONE HUNDRED CALORIES. I GOT TO GET ON THE BIKE. I GOT TO GET ON THE BIKE. >> IT'S A PHENOMENON IMPACTING >> IT'S A PHENOMENON IMPACTING MILLIONS OF MEN AND WOMEN, MILLIONS OF MEN AND WOMEN, MUSCLE DYSMORPHIA AND THE MUSCLE DYSMORPHIA AND THE STORIES OF THOSE STORIES OF THOSE WHO HAVE WORKED TO OVERCOME. WHO HAVE WORKED TO OVERCOME. >> AND I'M A SINGLE MOTHER OF >> AND I'M A SINGLE MOTHER OF SEVEN . SEVEN . I HAVE A DIFFICULT DECISION I HAVE A DIFFICULT DECISION TO MAKE WITH THE STATE UNLESS TO MAKE WITH THE STATE UNLESS I'M GOING TO HOUSING COMMUNITY I'M GOING TO HOUSING COMMUNITY THAT BECAME ONE OF THE MOST THAT BECAME ONE OF THE MOST IMPOVERISHED PLACES IN IMPOVERISHED PLACES IN THE COUNTRY. THE COUNTRY. WE SPEAK WITH THE FILMMAKERS WE SPEAK WITH THE FILMMAKERS BEHIND THE NEW DOCUMENTARY, BEHIND THE NEW DOCUMENTARY, RAISING LIBERTY SQUARE. RAISING LIBERTY SQUARE. GOOD EVENING. GOOD EVENING. I'M PHIL LIPOF IN TONIGHT FOR I'M PHIL LIPOF IN TONIGHT FOR LINSEY DAVIS. LINSEY DAVIS. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR STREAMING THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR STREAMING WITH US. WITH US. WE BEGIN TONIGHT IN WASHINGTON WE BEGIN TONIGHT IN WASHINGTON WITH PRESIDENT BIDEN'S RARE WITH PRESIDENT BIDEN'S RARE OVAL OFFICE ADDRESS AFTER OVAL OFFICE ADDRESS AFTER CONGRESS AVERTED WHAT WOULD CONGRESS AVERTED WHAT WOULD BE THE FIRST EVER DEFAULT BE THE FIRST EVER DEFAULT ON THE NATION'S DEBT, ON THE NATION'S DEBT, THE PRESIDENT SPOKE LESS THAN THE PRESIDENT SPOKE LESS THAN 24 HOURS AFTER THE SENATE VOTED 24 HOURS AFTER THE SENATE VOTED TO PASS THE BILL, ENDING THAT TO PASS THE BILL, ENDING THAT BITTER STANDOFF BETWEEN BITTER STANDOFF BETWEEN THE WHITE HOUSE AND REPUBLICANS THE WHITE HOUSE AND REPUBLICANS THAT KEPT THE COUNTRY ON EDGE THAT KEPT THE COUNTRY ON EDGE FOR WEEKS. FOR WEEKS. THE PRESIDENT DECLARED THE PRESIDENT DECLARED THE STAKES COULD NOT HAVE BEEN THE STAKES COULD NOT HAVE BEEN HIGHER AND SAID A FAILURE WOULD HIGHER AND SAID A FAILURE WOULD HAVE BEEN CATASTROPHIC. HAVE BEEN CATASTROPHIC. THROWING THE ECONOMY INTO THROWING THE ECONOMY INTO RECESSION. RECESSION. THE BILL, WHICH BIDEN WILL SIGN THE BILL, WHICH BIDEN WILL SIGN TOMORROW, CUTS THE DEFICIT TOMORROW, CUTS THE DEFICIT BY ONE AND A HALF TRILLION BY ONE AND A HALF TRILLION DOLLARS OVER 10 YEARS. DOLLARS OVER 10 YEARS. IT ALSO SUSPENDS THE DEBT LIMIT IT ALSO SUSPENDS THE DEBT LIMIT FOR THE NEXT TWO YEARS UNTIL FOR THE NEXT TWO YEARS UNTIL AFTER THE NEXT PRESIDENTIAL AFTER THE NEXT PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION. ELECTION. CHIEF WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT CHIEF WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT MARY BRUCE LEADS US OFF TONIGHT MARY BRUCE LEADS US OFF TONIGHT FROM THE WHITE HOUSE ON THIS FROM THE WHITE HOUSE ON THIS VOTE TONIGHT AFTER THE SENATE VOTE TONIGHT AFTER THE SENATE QUICKLY PUSHED THROUGH THAT QUICKLY PUSHED THROUGH THAT DEAL TO LIFT THE DEBT LIMIT DEAL TO LIFT THE DEBT LIMIT AND PAY OFF THE NATION'S BILLS AND PAY OFF THE NATION'S BILLS . . >> THE BILL IS PASSED NARROWLY >> THE BILL IS PASSED NARROWLY AVOIDING AN ECONOMIC DISASTER. AVOIDING AN ECONOMIC DISASTER. THE PRESIDENT TONIGHT TOUTING THE PRESIDENT TONIGHT TOUTING THAT BIPARTISAN EFFORT IN HIS THAT BIPARTISAN EFFORT IN HIS FIRST OVAL OFFICE ADDRESS. FIRST OVAL OFFICE ADDRESS. >> IT WAS CRITICAL TO REACH AN >> IT WAS CRITICAL TO REACH AN AGREEMENT, AND IT'S VERY GOOD AGREEMENT, AND IT'S VERY GOOD NEWS FOR THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. NEWS FOR THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. NO ONE GOT EVERYTHING NO ONE GOT EVERYTHING THEY WANTED, BUT THE AMERICAN THEY WANTED, BUT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE GOT WHAT THEY NEEDED. PEOPLE GOT WHAT THEY NEEDED. WE AVERTED AN ECONOMIC CRISIS WE AVERTED AN ECONOMIC CRISIS AND ECONOMIC COLLAPSE. AND ECONOMIC COLLAPSE. BOTH SIDES OPERATED IN GOOD BOTH SIDES OPERATED IN GOOD FAITH. FAITH. BOTH SIDES KEPT THEIR WORD. BOTH SIDES KEPT THEIR WORD. >> THE BILL CUTS THE DEFICIT >> THE BILL CUTS THE DEFICIT BY ONE AND A HALF TRILLION BY ONE AND A HALF TRILLION DOLLARS OVER 10 YEARS, SUSPENDS DOLLARS OVER 10 YEARS, SUSPENDS THE DEBT LIMIT FOR THE NEXT THE DEBT LIMIT FOR THE NEXT TWO YEARS UNTIL AFTER TWO YEARS UNTIL AFTER THE PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION, THE PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION, AND IMPOSES NEW WORK AND IMPOSES NEW WORK REQUIREMENTS FOR SOME AMERICANS REQUIREMENTS FOR SOME AMERICANS RELYING ON FOOD ASSISTANCE RELYING ON FOOD ASSISTANCE PROGRAMS. PROGRAMS. IT WILL ALSO END THE PAUSE IT WILL ALSO END THE PAUSE ON REPAYING STUDENT LOANS. ON REPAYING STUDENT LOANS. BUT THE ECONOMY IS NOT OUT OF BUT THE ECONOMY IS NOT OUT OF THE WOODS YET. THE WOODS YET. TONIGHT, ONE OF THE COUNTRY'S TONIGHT, ONE OF THE COUNTRY'S MAJOR CREDIT AGENCIES SAYS MAJOR CREDIT AGENCIES SAYS THE U.S. IS STILL AT RISK OF THE U.S. IS STILL AT RISK OF A CREDIT RATING DOWNGRADE, A CREDIT RATING DOWNGRADE, WHICH WOULD MAKE BORROWING WHICH WOULD MAKE BORROWING MORE EXPENSIVE AND SEND MORE EXPENSIVE AND SEND THE STOCK MARKET TUMBLING. THE STOCK MARKET TUMBLING. THE AGENCY CITING THE REPEATED THE AGENCY CITING THE REPEATED POLITICAL STANDOFFS AROUND POLITICAL STANDOFFS AROUND THE DEBT LIMIT. THE DEBT LIMIT. >> ALL RIGHT, MARY BRUCE FROM >> ALL RIGHT, MARY BRUCE FROM WASHINGTON. WASHINGTON. MARY , THANK YOU . MARY , THANK YOU . AND NOW LET'S BRING NBC'S JAY AND NOW LET'S BRING NBC'S JAY O'BRIEN, WHO IS ALSO THERE IN O'BRIEN, WHO IS ALSO THERE IN WASHINGTON TONIGHT. WASHINGTON TONIGHT. JAY, THE PRESIDENT TOUTED THIS JAY, THE PRESIDENT TOUTED THIS BIPARTISAN AGREEMENT AND WHY, BIPARTISAN AGREEMENT AND WHY, OBVIOUSLY IT WAS SO IMPORTANT OBVIOUSLY IT WAS SO IMPORTANT TO REACH A DEAL. TO REACH A DEAL. BUT THIS ALSO SEEMED AT TIMES BUT THIS ALSO SEEMED AT TIMES LIKE A BIT OF A CAMPAIGN LIKE A BIT OF A CAMPAIGN MESSAGE AS WELL. MESSAGE AS WELL. BREAK DOWN EXACTLY WHAT WE BREAK DOWN EXACTLY WHAT WE HEARD FROM THE PRESIDENT HEARD FROM THE PRESIDENT TONIGHT. TONIGHT. >> YEAH, WELL, BETWEEN BOTH OF >> YEAH, WELL, BETWEEN BOTH OF THOSE POINTS, OF VIEW, PHIL, THOSE POINTS, OF VIEW, PHIL, THE THEME OVERARCHING, THE THEME OVERARCHING, THE ENTIRE SPEECH WAS A CRISIS THE ENTIRE SPEECH WAS A CRISIS AVERTED. AVERTED. THE PRESIDENT TALKING ABOUT THE PRESIDENT TALKING ABOUT THE BIPARTISAN NATURE IN WHICH THE BIPARTISAN NATURE IN WHICH THIS DEAL WAS STRUCK BETWEEN THIS DEAL WAS STRUCK BETWEEN SPEAKER MCCARTHY AND THE WHITE SPEAKER MCCARTHY AND THE WHITE HOUSE AND THE WAY IT WAS PASSED HOUSE AND THE WAY IT WAS PASSED THROUGH CONGRESS BECAUSE IT WAS THROUGH CONGRESS BECAUSE IT WAS PASSED USING MODERATES IN BOTH PASSED USING MODERATES IN BOTH THE HOUSE WHEN IT PASSED THE HOUSE WHEN IT PASSED ON WEDNESDAY AND THEN ON WEDNESDAY AND THEN THE SENATE WHEN IT PASSED LAST THE SENATE WHEN IT PASSED LAST NIGHT. NIGHT. >> THE PRESIDENT SAYING >> THE PRESIDENT SAYING THE ONLY WAY AMERICAN DEMOCRACY THE ONLY WAY AMERICAN DEMOCRACY CAN FUNCTION IS THROUGH CAN FUNCTION IS THROUGH COMPROMISE AND CONSENSUS. COMPROMISE AND CONSENSUS. HE WENT AS FAR AS TO COMMEND HE WENT AS FAR AS TO COMMEND SPEAKER MCCARTHY, SOMETHING WE SPEAKER MCCARTHY, SOMETHING WE DON'T OFTEN HEAR IN THIS DON'T OFTEN HEAR IN THIS POLITICALLY POLARIZED POLITICALLY POLARIZED ENVIRONMENT. ENVIRONMENT. >> BUT REMEMBER, THIS IS ALSO >> BUT REMEMBER, THIS IS ALSO A COMMANDER IN CHIEF WHO IS A COMMANDER IN CHIEF WHO IS RUNNING FOR REELECTION. RUNNING FOR REELECTION. HE MADE A POINT TO SAY THAT HE MADE A POINT TO SAY THAT THIS DEAL PRESERVES A NUMBER OF THIS DEAL PRESERVES A NUMBER OF HIS ADMINISTRATION'S HIS ADMINISTRATION'S PRIORITIES, NOT JUST PRESERVING PRIORITIES, NOT JUST PRESERVING THINGS LIKE SOCIAL SECURITY THINGS LIKE SOCIAL SECURITY AND MEDICARE AND MEDICAID, BUT AND MEDICARE AND MEDICAID, BUT ALSO HUGE CHUNKS OF ALSO HUGE CHUNKS OF THE PRESIDENT'S SIGNATURE THE PRESIDENT'S SIGNATURE LEGISLATION. LEGISLATION. THE INFLATION REDUCTION ACT. THE INFLATION REDUCTION ACT. THE PRESIDENT SAYING OF THAT THE PRESIDENT SAYING OF THAT THE GOOD NEWS FOR THE AMERICAN THE GOOD NEWS FOR THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, NO ONE GOT EVERYTHING PEOPLE, NO ONE GOT EVERYTHING THEY WANTED, BUT THE AMERICAN THEY WANTED, BUT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE GOT WHAT THEY NEEDED. PEOPLE GOT WHAT THEY NEEDED. AND THAT CONNECTS WITH WHAT AND THAT CONNECTS WITH WHAT WE'RE HEARING FROM WE'RE HEARING FROM DEMOCRATIC SOURCES, THAT DEMOCRATIC SOURCES, THAT THE MESSAGE THAT THE WHITE THE MESSAGE THAT THE WHITE HOUSE WAS GIVING HOUSE WAS GIVING TO CONGRESSIONAL DEMOCRATS WHEN TO CONGRESSIONAL DEMOCRATS WHEN THEY WERE ASKING THEM TO VOTE THEY WERE ASKING THEM TO VOTE FOR THIS LEGISLATION WAS IT FOR THIS LEGISLATION WAS IT COULD HAVE BEEN WORSE. COULD HAVE BEEN WORSE. THE MESSAGE REPUBLICANS GIVING THE MESSAGE REPUBLICANS GIVING IS THAT THEY DRAGGED IS THAT THEY DRAGGED THE PRESIDENT TO THE THE PRESIDENT TO THE NEGOTIATING TABLE. NEGOTIATING TABLE. ALL RIGHT, JOE BRIAN FROM ALL RIGHT, JOE BRIAN FROM WASHINGTON, THANK YOU , JAY. WASHINGTON, THANK YOU , JAY. NOW WE WANT TO BRING YOU SOME NOW WE WANT TO BRING YOU SOME OTHER NEWS THIS EVENING OTHER NEWS THIS EVENING TO BUILDING COLLAPSE IN TO BUILDING COLLAPSE IN NEW HAVEN, CONNECTICUT. NEW HAVEN, CONNECTICUT. IT HAPPENED IN AN APARTMENT IT HAPPENED IN AN APARTMENT BUILDING UNDER CONSTRUCTION, BUILDING UNDER CONSTRUCTION, TRAPPING WORKERS. TRAPPING WORKERS. EIGHT PEOPLE WERE INJURED EIGHT PEOPLE WERE INJURED AND AT LEAST TWO TAKEN TO THE AND AT LEAST TWO TAKEN TO THE HOSPITAL IN CRITICAL CONDITION. HOSPITAL IN CRITICAL CONDITION. ABC NEWS STEPHANIE RAMOS ABC NEWS STEPHANIE RAMOS WITH THE DETAILS. WITH THE DETAILS. FIRST RESPONDERS IN NEW HAVEN, FIRST RESPONDERS IN NEW HAVEN, CONNECTICUT, TODAY RUSHING CONNECTICUT, TODAY RUSHING TO THIS APARTMENT BUILDING TO THIS APARTMENT BUILDING UNDER CONSTRUCTION AFTER UNDER CONSTRUCTION AFTER REPORTS OF A COLLAPSE BEFORE REPORTS OF A COLLAPSE BEFORE COLLAPSE. COLLAPSE. THEY ARE MULTIPLE PEOPLE VERY THEY ARE MULTIPLE PEOPLE VERY DOWN THERE. DOWN THERE. >> ALL UNITS RESPONDED >> ALL UNITS RESPONDED IMMEDIATELY WITHIN MINUTES IMMEDIATELY WITHIN MINUTES AND FOUND SEVERAL PERSONS IN AND FOUND SEVERAL PERSONS IN VARYING DEGREES OF INJURY FROM VARYING DEGREES OF INJURY FROM BROKEN BONES TO THREE THAT WERE BROKEN BONES TO THREE THAT WERE PARTIALLY BURIED UNDER PARTIALLY BURIED UNDER THE RUBBLE. THE RUBBLE. >> OFFICIALS SAY WORKERS WERE >> OFFICIALS SAY WORKERS WERE POURING CONCRETE WHEN IT POURING CONCRETE WHEN IT STARTED TO PULL FASTER THAN STARTED TO PULL FASTER THAN THEY COULD SPREAD IT. THEY COULD SPREAD IT. THE WEIGHT CAUSING THE SECOND THE WEIGHT CAUSING THE SECOND FLOOR TO CAVE IN TO THE FLOOR TO CAVE IN TO THE BASEMENT. BASEMENT. RESCUERS THEN RACING TO REACH RESCUERS THEN RACING TO REACH THOSE TRAPPED WORKERS INSIDE. THOSE TRAPPED WORKERS INSIDE. >> ONE OF THE PROBLEMS THAT >> ONE OF THE PROBLEMS THAT YOU HAVE WITH WHERE CONCRETE YOU HAVE WITH WHERE CONCRETE IS HAVING TO DO THE SEARCHES IS HAVING TO DO THE SEARCHES BEFORE IT HARDENS. BEFORE IT HARDENS. EIGHT PEOPLE WERE INJURED EIGHT PEOPLE WERE INJURED AND TAKEN TO HOSPITALS, TWO IN AND TAKEN TO HOSPITALS, TWO IN CRITICAL CONDITION. CRITICAL CONDITION. THIS LATEST INCIDENT COMES JUST THIS LATEST INCIDENT COMES JUST DAYS AFTER THE COLLAPSE OF AN DAYS AFTER THE COLLAPSE OF AN APARTMENT BUILDING IN IOWA THAT APARTMENT BUILDING IN IOWA THAT WAS UNDERGOING REPAIRS. WAS UNDERGOING REPAIRS. NEW SURVEILLANCE VIDEO SHOWS NEW SURVEILLANCE VIDEO SHOWS HOW THE REAR OF THAT EYEHOLE HOW THE REAR OF THAT EYEHOLE BUILDING COULD BRING DOWN IN BUILDING COULD BRING DOWN IN JUST MINUTES. JUST MINUTES. YOU CAN SEE BRICKS START YOU CAN SEE BRICKS START TO FALL FROM DIFFERENT SECTIONS TO FALL FROM DIFFERENT SECTIONS OF THE WALL UNTIL IT ALL OF THE WALL UNTIL IT ALL CRUMBLES TONIGHT. CRUMBLES TONIGHT. SEARCH TEAMS ARE FINALLY SEARCH TEAMS ARE FINALLY SIFTING THROUGH THAT RUBBLE, SIFTING THROUGH THAT RUBBLE, LOOKING FOR THREE MISSING LOOKING FOR THREE MISSING RESIDENTS AS THEIR FAMILIES RESIDENTS AS THEIR FAMILIES WAIT FOR NEWS. WAIT FOR NEWS. >> IT TOOK US A LONG TIME >> IT TOOK US A LONG TIME TO GET TO THIS POINT FOR THE TO TO GET TO THIS POINT FOR THE TO ACTUALLY DO AN ACCURATE SEARCH ACTUALLY DO AN ACCURATE SEARCH THROUGH THE BUILDING. THROUGH THE BUILDING. THE ACTUALLY COME DOWN HERE THE ACTUALLY COME DOWN HERE AND START MOVING DEBRIS. AND START MOVING DEBRIS. >> LOCAL JASON RYAN SCHAEFER >> LOCAL JASON RYAN SCHAEFER SAYS HE WARNED WORKERS DOING SAYS HE WARNED WORKERS DOING REPAIRS IN THE DAYS HOURS REPAIRS IN THE DAYS HOURS LEADING UP TO THE COLLAPSE. LEADING UP TO THE COLLAPSE. >> YOU NEED TO START WORKING >> YOU NEED TO START WORKING ON IT. ON IT. IT'S NOT SAFE TO BE WORKING IT'S NOT SAFE TO BE WORKING UNDERNEATH ANYTHING. UNDERNEATH ANYTHING. >> GET AWAY FROM THERE. >> GET AWAY FROM THERE. YOU'RE GOING TO DIE. YOU'RE GOING TO DIE. SCHAFFER SAYS HE BID SCHAFFER SAYS HE BID ON THE JOB, BUT THAT HIS ON THE JOB, BUT THAT HIS PROPOSAL WAS REJECTED BECAUSE PROPOSAL WAS REJECTED BECAUSE THE BUILDING'S OWNER THOUGHT IT THE BUILDING'S OWNER THOUGHT IT WAS TOO EXPENSIVE. WAS TOO EXPENSIVE. >> I THOUGHT MAYBE 10 OR >> I THOUGHT MAYBE 10 OR 15 FEET WOULD GO , BUT ONLY ON 15 FEET WOULD GO , BUT ONLY ON THE OUTSIDE. THE OUTSIDE. >> I NEVER HAD ANY IDEA TO HAVE >> I NEVER HAD ANY IDEA TO HAVE IT ALL GO . IT ALL GO . MEANWHILE, HERE IN CONNECTICUT, MEANWHILE, HERE IN CONNECTICUT, THE INVESTIGATION INTO TODAY'S THE INVESTIGATION INTO TODAY'S CONSTRUCTION COLLAPSE IS JUST CONSTRUCTION COLLAPSE IS JUST GETTING STARTED. GETTING STARTED. OFFICIALS SAY THIRTY TWO PEOPLE OFFICIALS SAY THIRTY TWO PEOPLE WERE WORKING AT THE SITE. WERE WORKING AT THE SITE. ALL CONSTRUCTION HAS BEEN ALL CONSTRUCTION HAS BEEN STOPPED. STOPPED. >> FOR NOW, OSHA >> FOR NOW, OSHA IS INVESTIGATING PHIL. IS INVESTIGATING PHIL. ALL RIGHT, STEPHANIE , RAMOS, ALL RIGHT, STEPHANIE , RAMOS, THANK YOU . THANK YOU . >> THERE HAS BEEN A DEADLY >> THERE HAS BEEN A DEADLY TRAIN ACCIDENT IN INDIA, TRAIN ACCIDENT IN INDIA, SOUTHWEST OF CALCUTTA, WITH A SOUTHWEST OF CALCUTTA, WITH A CROWDED TRAIN DERAILING AT CROWDED TRAIN DERAILING AT NIGHT, WORST POSSIBLE TIME. NIGHT, WORST POSSIBLE TIME. AND AT LEAST TWO HUNDRED PEOPLE AND AT LEAST TWO HUNDRED PEOPLE REPORTEDLY KILLED. REPORTEDLY KILLED. LET'S BRING IN LET'S BRING IN ABC'S MARCUS MOORE, WHO'S IN ABC'S MARCUS MOORE, WHO'S IN LONDON FOR US . LONDON FOR US . MARCUS, WHAT MORE DO WE KNOW MARCUS, WHAT MORE DO WE KNOW ABOUT THIS ACCIDENT AND HOW ARE ABOUT THIS ACCIDENT AND HOW ARE AUTHORITIES RESPONDING IN AUTHORITIES RESPONDING IN INDIA? INDIA? >> YET? >> YET? >> PHIL, THIS IS JUST >> PHIL, THIS IS JUST A HORRIFIC SCENE THAT'S A HORRIFIC SCENE THAT'S UNFOLDING THERE IN INDIA AS WE UNFOLDING THERE IN INDIA AS WE SPEAK. SPEAK. WE KNOW THAT THIS CRASH WE KNOW THAT THIS CRASH HAPPENED AROUND SEVEN O'CLOCK HAPPENED AROUND SEVEN O'CLOCK LOCAL TIME AT NIGHT, AS YOU LOCAL TIME AT NIGHT, AS YOU MENTIONED. MENTIONED. AND RIGHT NOW, THE NUMBERS ARE AND RIGHT NOW, THE NUMBERS ARE TRULY HORRIFIC, 200 PEOPLE TRULY HORRIFIC, 200 PEOPLE KILLED AND 900 INJURED, TAKEN KILLED AND 900 INJURED, TAKEN TO AREA HOSPITALS THERE. TO AREA HOSPITALS THERE. >> AND WE HAVE SEEN THOSE >> AND WE HAVE SEEN THOSE ASTONISHING PICTURES COMING IN ASTONISHING PICTURES COMING IN OF JUST THE TWISTED CARS, OF JUST THE TWISTED CARS, THE TRAIN CARS THERE. THE TRAIN CARS THERE. WE UNDERSTAND THAT ONE OF THEM WE UNDERSTAND THAT ONE OF THEM DERAILED TONIGHT AND THEN DERAILED TONIGHT AND THEN TUMBLED ON TO SOME NEARBY TUMBLED ON TO SOME NEARBY TRACKS. TRACKS. AND THAT'S WHEN A ANOTHER TRAIN AND THAT'S WHEN A ANOTHER TRAIN CRASHED INTO THOSE CARS AND WE CRASHED INTO THOSE CARS AND WE NOW KNOW THAT THERE HAVE BEEN NOW KNOW THAT THERE HAVE BEEN HUNDREDS WHO HAVE BEEN KILLED. HUNDREDS WHO HAVE BEEN KILLED. WITNESSES PHIL LIPOF DESCRIBED WITNESSES PHIL LIPOF DESCRIBED A HORRIFIC SCENE THERE A HORRIFIC SCENE THERE WITH SERIOUS INJURIES. WITH SERIOUS INJURIES. 200 AMBULANCES HAVE BEEN CALLED 200 AMBULANCES HAVE BEEN CALLED TO THAT SCENE. TO THAT SCENE. AND WE KNOW THAT THERE ABOUT AND WE KNOW THAT THERE ABOUT 100 DOCTORS THERE AT THIS 100 DOCTORS THERE AT THIS POINT. POINT. >> WE DON'T KNOW WHAT CAUSED >> WE DON'T KNOW WHAT CAUSED THE CRASH TONIGHT. THE CRASH TONIGHT. BUT AS YOU KNOW, THERE HAVE BUT AS YOU KNOW, THERE HAVE BEEN A NUMBER OF TRAIN CRASHES BEEN A NUMBER OF TRAIN CRASHES IN THE PAST. IN THE PAST. MOST OF THEM HAVE BEEN MOST OF THEM HAVE BEEN ATTRIBUTED TO HUMAN ERROR OR ATTRIBUTED TO HUMAN ERROR OR OUTDATED SIGNALING EQUIPMENT. OUTDATED SIGNALING EQUIPMENT. >> BUT AT THIS POINT, WE DON'T >> BUT AT THIS POINT, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT CAUSED THIS CRASH. KNOW WHAT CAUSED THIS CRASH. AND PHIL, THIS WILL BE ALREADY AND PHIL, THIS WILL BE ALREADY ONE THE DEADLIEST TRAIN CRASHES ONE THE DEADLIEST TRAIN CRASHES TO HAPPEN IN INDIA'S HISTORY TO HAPPEN IN INDIA'S HISTORY BACK IN 1990, THREE HUNDRED BACK IN 1990, THREE HUNDRED AND FIFTY EIGHT PEOPLE WERE AND FIFTY EIGHT PEOPLE WERE KILLED IN A TRAIN CRASH. KILLED IN A TRAIN CRASH. AND JUST AS YOU SAID TONIGHT, AND JUST AS YOU SAID TONIGHT, WE NOW KNOW THAT SADLY, WE NOW KNOW THAT SADLY, MORE THAN 200 PEOPLE HAVE BEEN MORE THAN 200 PEOPLE HAVE BEEN KILLED IN THIS TRAIN CRASH KILLED IN THIS TRAIN CRASH WILL , OF COURSE, CONTINUE WILL , OF COURSE, CONTINUE TO FOLLOW THE DEVELOPMENTS TO FOLLOW THE DEVELOPMENTS AS THEY COME IN FROM INDIA. AS THEY COME IN FROM INDIA. >> TONIGHT. >> TONIGHT. >> THAT IS TRULY HORRIFIC. >> THAT IS TRULY HORRIFIC. MARCUS MOORE. MARCUS MOORE. THANK YOU FOR THE UPDATE. THANK YOU FOR THE UPDATE. AND THERE IS WORD TONIGHT AND THERE IS WORD TONIGHT THE CIA DIRECTOR MADE A SECRET THE CIA DIRECTOR MADE A SECRET TRIP TO CHINA LAST MONTH. TRIP TO CHINA LAST MONTH. THIS IS THE HIGHEST CONFIRMED THIS IS THE HIGHEST CONFIRMED CONTACT BETWEEN TWO COUNTRIES CONTACT BETWEEN TWO COUNTRIES IN QUITE SOME TIME. IN QUITE SOME TIME. LET'S GET TO ABC'S CHIEF GLOBAL LET'S GET TO ABC'S CHIEF GLOBAL AFFAIRS ANCHOR, MARTHA RADDATZ. AFFAIRS ANCHOR, MARTHA RADDATZ. >> AND MARTHA, WHAT ARE >> AND MARTHA, WHAT ARE YOU LEARNING ABOUT WHAT YOU LEARNING ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED ON THE DIRECTOR'S HAPPENED ON THE DIRECTOR'S TRIP? TRIP? WILL FILL? WILL FILL? >> A U.S. OFFICIAL DID CONFIRM >> A U.S. OFFICIAL DID CONFIRM TONIGHT THAT DIRECTOR BYRNES TONIGHT THAT DIRECTOR BYRNES TRAVELED TO BEIJING IN MAY TRAVELED TO BEIJING IN MAY AND MET WITH HIS COUNTERPARTS AND MET WITH HIS COUNTERPARTS THERE IN AN EFFORT TO KEEP THERE IN AN EFFORT TO KEEP LINES OF COMMUNICATION OPEN LINES OF COMMUNICATION OPEN BETWEEN OUR TWO COUNTRIES, BETWEEN OUR TWO COUNTRIES, ESPECIALLY INTELLIGENCE LINES. ESPECIALLY INTELLIGENCE LINES. THIS COMES, OF COURSE, THIS COMES, OF COURSE, AS TENSIONS WITH CHINA ARE VERY AS TENSIONS WITH CHINA ARE VERY HIGH. HIGH. SECRETARY OF STATE SECRETARY OF STATE ANTHONY BLINKEN CANCELED THAT ANTHONY BLINKEN CANCELED THAT TRIP TO CHINA IN FEBRUARY TRIP TO CHINA IN FEBRUARY BECAUSE THE CHINESE SPY BALLOON BECAUSE THE CHINESE SPY BALLOON ACROSS THE U.S.. ACROSS THE U.S.. SO THIS DOES MARK THE HIGHEST SO THIS DOES MARK THE HIGHEST LEVEL VISIT TO BEIJING. LEVEL VISIT TO BEIJING. BUT A U.S. OFFICIAL ALSO BUT A U.S. OFFICIAL ALSO TELLING US TONIGHT THAT TELLING US TONIGHT THAT SECRETARY BLINKEN IS HOPING SECRETARY BLINKEN IS HOPING TO VISIT CHINA SOMETIME THIS TO VISIT CHINA SOMETIME THIS SUMMER. SUMMER. >> PHIL? >> PHIL? ALL RIGHT, MARTHA RADDATZ, ALL RIGHT, MARTHA RADDATZ, THANK YOU . THANK YOU . WE TURN NOW TO THE HUNT FOR WE TURN NOW TO THE HUNT FOR THAT CLASSIFIED DOCUMENT THAT THAT CLASSIFIED DOCUMENT THAT FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP IS REPORTEDLY HEARD IS REPORTEDLY HEARD ON AUDIOTAPE SAYING HE HAD IN ON AUDIOTAPE SAYING HE HAD IN HIS POSSESSION AFTER HE LEFT HIS POSSESSION AFTER HE LEFT OFFICE. OFFICE. SOURCES SAY LAWYERS FOR SOURCES SAY LAWYERS FOR THE FORMER PRESIDENT SAY THE FORMER PRESIDENT SAY THEY CAN'T FIND FEDERAL THEY CAN'T FIND FEDERAL PROSECUTORS SAY THEY CAN'T FIND PROSECUTORS SAY THEY CAN'T FIND IT EITHER. IT EITHER. IT COMES AS THE DOJ HAS LET IT COMES AS THE DOJ HAS LET FORMER VICE PRESIDENT MIKE FORMER VICE PRESIDENT MIKE PENCE KNOW THEY WON'T FILE PENCE KNOW THEY WON'T FILE CRIMINAL CHARGES AFTER CRIMINAL CHARGES AFTER CLASSIFIED DOCUMENTS WERE FOUND CLASSIFIED DOCUMENTS WERE FOUND AT HIS INDIANA HOME. AT HIS INDIANA HOME. HERE'S ABC'S CHIEF JUSTICE HERE'S ABC'S CHIEF JUSTICE CORRESPONDENT PIERRE THOMAS. CORRESPONDENT PIERRE THOMAS. >> TONIGHT, "ABC NEWS LIVE" >> TONIGHT, "ABC NEWS LIVE" LEARNING OF A SURPRISING LEARNING OF A SURPRISING NEW CONCERN ABOUT FORMER NEW CONCERN ABOUT FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP'S HANDLING OF PRESIDENT TRUMP'S HANDLING OF CLASSIFIED DOCUMENTS, CLASSIFIED DOCUMENTS, SPECIFICALLY ONE ABOUT THE U.S. SPECIFICALLY ONE ABOUT THE U.S. POSSIBLY ATTACKING IRAN DURING POSSIBLY ATTACKING IRAN DURING HIS ADMINISTRATION. HIS ADMINISTRATION. AFTER AN AUDIO RECORDING OF AFTER AN AUDIO RECORDING OF THE FORMER PRESIDENT SURFACED THE FORMER PRESIDENT SURFACED FROM JULY 21 , SAYING HE KEPT FROM JULY 21 , SAYING HE KEPT A SENSITIVE MILITARY DOCUMENT A SENSITIVE MILITARY DOCUMENT AFTER LEAVING THE WHITE HOUSE. AFTER LEAVING THE WHITE HOUSE. ABC NEWS LEARNED THAT ABC NEWS LEARNED THAT THE SPECIAL COUNSEL CALLED THE SPECIAL COUNSEL CALLED ON TRUMP'S ATTORNEY TO PRODUCE ON TRUMP'S ATTORNEY TO PRODUCE IT, BUT HIS ATTORNEYS, IT, BUT HIS ATTORNEYS, ACCORDING TO SOURCES, WERE ACCORDING TO SOURCES, WERE UNABLE TO FIND IT. UNABLE TO FIND IT. THE TOWN HALL MEETING IN IOWA THE TOWN HALL MEETING IN IOWA OVERNIGHT, TRUMP WAS DISMISSIVE OVERNIGHT, TRUMP WAS DISMISSIVE . . GOING TO THINK ABOUT IT? GOING TO THINK ABOUT IT? WELL, YOU KNOW, JUST EVERYTHING WELL, YOU KNOW, JUST EVERYTHING I DID WAS RIGHT. I DID WAS RIGHT. WE HAVE THE PRESIDENTIAL WE HAVE THE PRESIDENTIAL RECORDS ACT, WHICH I ABIDED RECORDS ACT, WHICH I ABIDED BY 100%. BY 100%. I HAVE THE RIGHT TO DECLASSIFY I HAVE THE RIGHT TO DECLASSIFY AS PRESIDENT, BUT FROM HUNDREDS AS PRESIDENT, BUT FROM HUNDREDS OF CLASSIFIED DOCUMENTS OF CLASSIFIED DOCUMENTS TO MAR-A-LAGO HAGGLING WITH THE TO MAR-A-LAGO HAGGLING WITH THE NATIONAL ARCHIVES FOR MONTHS, NATIONAL ARCHIVES FOR MONTHS, HANDING OVER DOCUMENTS HANDING OVER DOCUMENTS RELUCTANTLY, EVENTUALLY FACING RELUCTANTLY, EVENTUALLY FACING A SUBPOENA. A SUBPOENA. AND WHEN FBI AGENTS GOT A TIP, AND WHEN FBI AGENTS GOT A TIP, HE HAD STILL MORE DOCUMENTS HE HAD STILL MORE DOCUMENTS EVEN AFTER HIS ATTORNEY SAID EVEN AFTER HIS ATTORNEY SAID THEY'D PRODUCED EVERYTHING, THEY'D PRODUCED EVERYTHING, THEY TOOK THE DRAMATIC STEP OF THEY TOOK THE DRAMATIC STEP OF SEARCHING HIS HOME, FINDING SEARCHING HIS HOME, FINDING MORE THAN 100 HIGHLY SENSITIVE MORE THAN 100 HIGHLY SENSITIVE PAPERS, SOURCES TELLING PAPERS, SOURCES TELLING ABC NEWS . ABC NEWS . TRUMP'S ACTIONS STAND IN TRUMP'S ACTIONS STAND IN CONTRAST TO THAT OF MIKE PENCE CONTRAST TO THAT OF MIKE PENCE ,WHO WAS JUST TODAY CLEARED OF ,WHO WAS JUST TODAY CLEARED OF POSSIBLY MISHANDLING CLASSIFIED POSSIBLY MISHANDLING CLASSIFIED DOCUMENTS AS WELL. DOCUMENTS AS WELL. UPON DISCOVERING THEM IN HIS UPON DISCOVERING THEM IN HIS INDIANA HOME, HIS TEAM ALERTED INDIANA HOME, HIS TEAM ALERTED AUTHORITIES IMMEDIATELY AUTHORITIES IMMEDIATELY AND ALLOWED THEM TO SEARCH AND ALLOWED THEM TO SEARCH WITHOUT A WARRANT. WITHOUT A WARRANT. >> THOSE CLASSIFIED DOCUMENTS >> THOSE CLASSIFIED DOCUMENTS SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN AT SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN AT MY PERSONAL RESIDENCE. MY PERSONAL RESIDENCE. >> MISTAKES WERE MADE. >> MISTAKES WERE MADE. IT WAS AN EMBARRASSING MOMENT IT WAS AN EMBARRASSING MOMENT BECAUSE JUST WEEKS BEFORE, BECAUSE JUST WEEKS BEFORE, HERE'S WHAT MIKE PENCE TOLD HERE'S WHAT MIKE PENCE TOLD DAVID . DAVID . >> LET ME ASK YOU , AS WE SIT >> LET ME ASK YOU , AS WE SIT HERE IN YOUR HOME OFFICE IN HERE IN YOUR HOME OFFICE IN INDIANA, DID YOU TAKE ANY INDIANA, DID YOU TAKE ANY CLASSIFIED DOCUMENTS WITH YOU CLASSIFIED DOCUMENTS WITH YOU FROM THE WHITE HOUSE? FROM THE WHITE HOUSE? I DID NOT. I DID NOT. >> DO YOU SEE ANY REASON FOR >> DO YOU SEE ANY REASON FOR ANYONE TO TAKE CLASSIFIED ANYONE TO TAKE CLASSIFIED DOCUMENTS WITH THEM LEAVING DOCUMENTS WITH THEM LEAVING THE WHITE HOUSE? THE WHITE HOUSE? >> WELL, THERE'D BE NO REASON >> WELL, THERE'D BE NO REASON TO HAVE CLASSIFIED DOCUMENTS, TO HAVE CLASSIFIED DOCUMENTS, PARTICULARLY IF THEY WERE IN AN PARTICULARLY IF THEY WERE IN AN UNPROTECTED AREA AFTER UNPROTECTED AREA AFTER THE DISCOVERY, SAYING IT WAS AN THE DISCOVERY, SAYING IT WAS AN UNINTENTIONAL ERROR. UNINTENTIONAL ERROR. AND TONIGHT, FEDERAL AND TONIGHT, FEDERAL INVESTIGATORS, IT SEEMS, WOULD INVESTIGATORS, IT SEEMS, WOULD AGREE. AGREE. THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT TELLING THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT TELLING HIS ATTORNEYS IN A LETTER HIS ATTORNEYS IN A LETTER REVIEWED BY ABC NEWS THAT REVIEWED BY ABC NEWS THAT THE INVESTIGATION HAD BEEN THE INVESTIGATION HAD BEEN CLOSED WITHOUT ANY NEED FOR CLOSED WITHOUT ANY NEED FOR PROSECUTION. PROSECUTION. >> NPR JOINS ME NOW. >> NPR JOINS ME NOW. THIS MUST BE A WELCOME RELIEF, THIS MUST BE A WELCOME RELIEF, OBVIOUSLY, FOR THE FORMER VICE OBVIOUSLY, FOR THE FORMER VICE PRESIDENT . PRESIDENT . BUT MEANTIME, THERE IS ALSO AN BUT MEANTIME, THERE IS ALSO AN INVESTIGATION INTO INVESTIGATION INTO PRESIDENT BIDEN'S HANDLING OF PRESIDENT BIDEN'S HANDLING OF CLASSIFIED DOCUMENTS AS WELL. CLASSIFIED DOCUMENTS AS WELL. >> WHERE DOES THAT >> WHERE DOES THAT INVESTIGATION STAND? INVESTIGATION STAND? PHIL? PHIL? WELL, IT IS GOOD NEWS FOR WELL, IT IS GOOD NEWS FOR PRINCE IS SET TO OFFICIALLY PRINCE IS SET TO OFFICIALLY ANNOUNCE HIS CAMPAIGN FOR ANNOUNCE HIS CAMPAIGN FOR THE WHITE HOUSE NEXT WEEK. THE WHITE HOUSE NEXT WEEK. AS FOR CLASSIFIED DOCUMENTS, AS FOR CLASSIFIED DOCUMENTS, DISCOVERED IN PRESIDENT BIDEN'S DISCOVERED IN PRESIDENT BIDEN'S HOME AND OFFICES, THAT REMAINS HOME AND OFFICES, THAT REMAINS UNDER INVESTIGATION BY YET UNDER INVESTIGATION BY YET ANOTHER SPECIAL COUNSEL BILL . ANOTHER SPECIAL COUNSEL BILL . ALL RIGHT, PIERRE THOMAS, THANK ALL RIGHT, PIERRE THOMAS, THANK YOU . YOU . >> NEXT TONIGHT, THE FIRST >> NEXT TONIGHT, THE FIRST NAMED STORM OF THE HURRICANE NAMED STORM OF THE HURRICANE SEASON HAS FORMED IN THE GULF SEASON HAS FORMED IN THE GULF PRETTY QUICKLY. PRETTY QUICKLY. TROPICAL STORM ARLENE IS NOT TROPICAL STORM ARLENE IS NOT EXPECTED TO MAKE LANDFALL, BUT EXPECTED TO MAKE LANDFALL, BUT IT IS TRIGGERING SOME FLOOD IT IS TRIGGERING SOME FLOOD CONCERNS IN SOUTH FLORIDA WHILE CONCERNS IN SOUTH FLORIDA WHILE THE FIRE DANGER PERSISTS IN THE FIRE DANGER PERSISTS IN THE NORTHEAST. THE NORTHEAST. METEOROLOGIST ROB MARCIANO METEOROLOGIST ROB MARCIANO IS TRACKING IT ALL FOR US ROB. IS TRACKING IT ALL FOR US ROB. >> HEY, PHIL, LET'S START >> HEY, PHIL, LET'S START WITH OUR FIRST TROPICAL WITH OUR FIRST TROPICAL STORM OF THIS VERY YOUNG STORM OF THIS VERY YOUNG HURRICANE SEASON. HURRICANE SEASON. ARLENE NAMED TODAY. ARLENE NAMED TODAY. IT'S ABOUT THREE TO 50 MILES IT'S ABOUT THREE TO 50 MILES TO OUR WEST AND GULF OF MEXICO, TO OUR WEST AND GULF OF MEXICO, BUT IT'S BEEN BRINGING IN HEAVY BUT IT'S BEEN BRINGING IN HEAVY RAIN ROUNDS OF THEM ALL DAY RAIN ROUNDS OF THEM ALL DAY LONG HERE IN SOUTH FLORIDA. LONG HERE IN SOUTH FLORIDA. IT'S NOT EXPECTED TO STRENGTHEN IT'S NOT EXPECTED TO STRENGTHEN MUCH MORE . MUCH MORE . MATTER OF FACT, TO WEAKEN AS IT MATTER OF FACT, TO WEAKEN AS IT DRIFT DOWN TO THE SOUTH OVER DRIFT DOWN TO THE SOUTH OVER THE WEEKEND, EVENTUALLY THE WEEKEND, EVENTUALLY DISSIPATING OVER CUBA. DISSIPATING OVER CUBA. BUT THE FLOW IS GOING BUT THE FLOW IS GOING TO CONTINUE TO POP UP. TO CONTINUE TO POP UP. MORE RAIN HERE IN SOUTH MORE RAIN HERE IN SOUTH FLORIDA. FLORIDA. SO THE FLOOD WATCH REMAINS. SO THE FLOOD WATCH REMAINS. RAIN'S BEEN A PROBLEM FOR DAYS RAIN'S BEEN A PROBLEM FOR DAYS IN WEST TEXAS. IN WEST TEXAS. TORNADO WATCH UP THERE. TORNADO WATCH UP THERE. YOU SEE THE STORMS RUMBLING. YOU SEE THE STORMS RUMBLING. THEY'LL BE DANGEROUS AND MAYBE THEY'LL BE DANGEROUS AND MAYBE SOME MORE FLOODING UNTIL AT SOME MORE FLOODING UNTIL AT LEAST 8:00 TONIGHT. LEAST 8:00 TONIGHT. AND WE'RE SEEING AND WE'RE SEEING SOME THUNDERSTORMS ROLL THROUGH SOME THUNDERSTORMS ROLL THROUGH NEW YORK CITY EARLIER TONIGHT, NEW YORK CITY EARLIER TONIGHT, SEVERE ONES. SEVERE ONES. AND THAT'S WITH THE AND THAT'S WITH THE RECORD-BREAKING HEAT IN PLACES RECORD-BREAKING HEAT IN PLACES LIKE BINGHAMTON AND HARTFORD. LIKE BINGHAMTON AND HARTFORD. NINETY FOUR . NINETY FOUR . NINETY FIVE DEGREES IN NINETY FIVE DEGREES IN NEW HAMPSHIRE. NEW HAMPSHIRE. AND TOMORROW IS GOING TO BE AND TOMORROW IS GOING TO BE A DIFFERENT DAY. A DIFFERENT DAY. BACK DOOR, COLD FRONT COMING BACK DOOR, COLD FRONT COMING THROUGH AND BRINGING MUCH THROUGH AND BRINGING MUCH COOLER AIR TEMPERATURES, COOLER AIR TEMPERATURES, DROPPING A GOOD 20 , 30 DEGREES DROPPING A GOOD 20 , 30 DEGREES ,40 DEGREES IN SOME SPOTS INTO ,40 DEGREES IN SOME SPOTS INTO THE MID 50S. THE MID 50S. TOMORROW, AND SUNDAY IN BOSTON TOMORROW, AND SUNDAY IN BOSTON WITH THAT WIND OFF THE OCEAN WITH THAT WIND OFF THE OCEAN DID CHANGE. DID CHANGE. PHIL. PHIL. >> ALL RIGHT, ROB MARCIANO FROM >> ALL RIGHT, ROB MARCIANO FROM FLORIDA. FLORIDA. ROB , THANK YOU . ROB , THANK YOU . NEXT TONIGHT, TO THE DEADLY NEXT TONIGHT, TO THE DEADLY STABBING SPREE AND CARJACKINGS STABBING SPREE AND CARJACKINGS IN CALIFORNIA. IN CALIFORNIA. A SUSPECT STANDS A SUSPECT STANDS ACCUSED OF KILLING ACCUSED OF KILLING THREE PEOPLE, INCLUDING THREE PEOPLE, INCLUDING TWO PEDESTRIANS. TWO PEDESTRIANS. OFFICIALS SAY HE INTENTIONALLY OFFICIALS SAY HE INTENTIONALLY RAN OVER PEOPLE AT SEPARATE RAN OVER PEOPLE AT SEPARATE LOCATIONS. LOCATIONS. CHIEF NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT CHIEF NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT MATT GUTMAN WITH MORE MATT GUTMAN WITH MORE WITH STABBINGS, CARJACKINGS WITH STABBINGS, CARJACKINGS AND RAMEY'S. AND RAMEY'S. TONIGHT, THE SUSPECT IN TONIGHT, THE SUSPECT IN A VIOLENT RAMPAGE THAT LEFT A VIOLENT RAMPAGE THAT LEFT VICTIMS SCATTERED ACROSS PARTS VICTIMS SCATTERED ACROSS PARTS OF CALIFORNIA'S BAY AREA OF CALIFORNIA'S BAY AREA THURSDAY IS IN CUSTODY. THURSDAY IS IN CUSTODY. >> WE ENDED THE CRIME SPREE. >> WE ENDED THE CRIME SPREE. >> WE WERE ABLE TO EFFECTIVELY >> WE WERE ABLE TO EFFECTIVELY PREVENT ADDITIONAL PEOPLE FROM PREVENT ADDITIONAL PEOPLE FROM BEING INJURED. BEING INJURED. POLICE SAY JUST AFTER 3:00 P.M. POLICE SAY JUST AFTER 3:00 P.M. LOCAL TIME, 31 YEAR OLD LOCAL TIME, 31 YEAR OLD KEVIN PARKER, RANA ALLEGEDLY KEVIN PARKER, RANA ALLEGEDLY CARJACKED AND STABBED CARJACKED AND STABBED TWO SEPARATE VICTIMS IN QUICK TWO SEPARATE VICTIMS IN QUICK SUCCESSION. SUCCESSION. AS HE FLED, HE SLAMMED HIS AS HE FLED, HE SLAMMED HIS STOLEN VEHICLE INTO A THIRD STOLEN VEHICLE INTO A THIRD VICTIM. VICTIM. ALL THREE OF THOSE INJURED ALL THREE OF THOSE INJURED HOSPITALIZED AND NOW WERE LATER HOSPITALIZED AND NOW WERE LATER . . SAN JOSE POLICE RESPONDING SAN JOSE POLICE RESPONDING TO REPORTS OF YET ANOTHER TO REPORTS OF YET ANOTHER NON-FATAL STABBING AND OF NON-FATAL STABBING AND OF A VEHICLE INTENTIONALLY RUNNING A VEHICLE INTENTIONALLY RUNNING OVER TWO PEDESTRIANS AT OVER TWO PEDESTRIANS AT A SEPARATE LOCATION. A SEPARATE LOCATION. AUTHORITIES SAY THOSE AUTHORITIES SAY THOSE TWO PEDESTRIANS DID NOT TWO PEDESTRIANS DID NOT SURVIVE. SURVIVE. THE SUSPECT THEN FLEEING THE SUSPECT THEN FLEEING TO THIS SHOPPING CENTER, TO THIS SHOPPING CENTER, PARKING LOT IN NEARBY MILPITAS PARKING LOT IN NEARBY MILPITAS WHERE HE ALLEGEDLY FATALLY WHERE HE ALLEGEDLY FATALLY STABBED ANOTHER VICTIM BEFORE STABBED ANOTHER VICTIM BEFORE ABANDONING HIS VEHICLE. ABANDONING HIS VEHICLE. AND AGAIN, FLEEING, HIDING, AND AGAIN, FLEEING, HIDING, THIS TIME IN A NEARBY THIS TIME IN A NEARBY RESIDENTIAL AREA, ROUGHLY RESIDENTIAL AREA, ROUGHLY THREE HOURS AFTER THE DEADLY THREE HOURS AFTER THE DEADLY RAMPAGE BEGAN. RAMPAGE BEGAN. POLICE APPREHENDING POLICE APPREHENDING CORONA POLICE ARE DESCRIBING CORONA POLICE ARE DESCRIBING THESE ATTACKS AS SENSELESS THESE ATTACKS AS SENSELESS AND RANDOM. AND RANDOM. THEY SAY THEY'RE NOW EVALUATING THEY SAY THEY'RE NOW EVALUATING THE SUSPECT'S MENTAL HEALTH. THE SUSPECT'S MENTAL HEALTH. THEY'RE ALSO ASKING FOR ANY THEY'RE ALSO ASKING FOR ANY POSSIBLE ADDITIONAL VICTIMS POSSIBLE ADDITIONAL VICTIMS TO COME FORWARD. TO COME FORWARD. THEY SAY THE SUSPECT NOW FACES THEY SAY THE SUSPECT NOW FACES MULTIPLE COUNTS OF HOMICIDE MULTIPLE COUNTS OF HOMICIDE ATTEMPTED HOMICIDE ATTEMPTED HOMICIDE AND CARJACKING, THOUGH. AND CARJACKING, THOUGH. ALL RIGHT, MATT , THANK YOU . ALL RIGHT, MATT , THANK YOU . AND NOW WE HAVE NEW DETAILS AND NOW WE HAVE NEW DETAILS TONIGHT ABOUT THE TROUBLING TONIGHT ABOUT THE TROUBLING FINAL DAYS OF JEFFREY EPSTEIN, FINAL DAYS OF JEFFREY EPSTEIN, ABC NEWS OBTAINING PRISON ABC NEWS OBTAINING PRISON DOCUMENTS AND WHAT THEY REVEAL DOCUMENTS AND WHAT THEY REVEAL . . >> HERE'S AARON KATERSKY. >> HERE'S AARON KATERSKY. THE NEWS CAME AS A SHOCK WHEN THE NEWS CAME AS A SHOCK WHEN TOLD JEFFREY EPSTEIN TOLD JEFFREY EPSTEIN THE NATION'S MOST NOTORIOUS THE NATION'S MOST NOTORIOUS SEX OFFENDER HAD PASSED IN SEX OFFENDER HAD PASSED IN JAIL. JAIL. A PROSECUTOR RESPONDED, WHAT DO A PROSECUTOR RESPONDED, WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY PAST? YOU MEAN BY PAST? AS THE STUNNING NEWS SPREAD, AS THE STUNNING NEWS SPREAD, PROSECUTORS SEEMINGLY PROSECUTORS SEEMINGLY KNEW LITTLE. KNEW LITTLE. WE ARE GETTING INCREASINGLY WE ARE GETTING INCREASINGLY FRANTIC CALLS, ONE WROTE IN FRANTIC CALLS, ONE WROTE IN EMAILS CALLING LACK OF EMAILS CALLING LACK OF INFORMATION FROM PRISON INFORMATION FROM PRISON OFFICIALS. OFFICIALS. FRANKLY, UNBELIEVABLE. FRANKLY, UNBELIEVABLE. AN EXTRAORDINARILY FRUSTRATING AN EXTRAORDINARILY FRUSTRATING THE ACCOUNTS APPEARING IN NEWLY THE ACCOUNTS APPEARING IN NEWLY RELEASED RECORDS ABOUT RELEASED RECORDS ABOUT EPSTEIN'S TROUBLED FINAL DAYS. EPSTEIN'S TROUBLED FINAL DAYS. HE WROTE TO LARRY NASSAR, HE WROTE TO LARRY NASSAR, THE DOCTOR CONVICTED OF ABUSING THE DOCTOR CONVICTED OF ABUSING GYMNAST'S. GYMNAST'S. HIS LETTER, FOUND IN THE MAIL HIS LETTER, FOUND IN THE MAIL ROOM, RETURNED TO SENDER ROOM, RETURNED TO SENDER EPSTEIN LIVE FOR ACCESS TO EPSTEIN LIVE FOR ACCESS TO POWER, MONEY AND . POWER, MONEY AND . AND ACCUSTOMED TO PREFERENTIAL AND ACCUSTOMED TO PREFERENTIAL TREATMENT FROM THE LEGAL TREATMENT FROM THE LEGAL SYSTEM. SYSTEM. WHEN A FEDERAL JUDGE DENIED HIM WHEN A FEDERAL JUDGE DENIED HIM BAIL, ASSURING HE WOULD REMAIN BAIL, ASSURING HE WOULD REMAIN LOCKED UP WHILE AWAITING TRIAL LOCKED UP WHILE AWAITING TRIAL ON CHARGES, THE RECORD ON CHARGES, THE RECORD SUGGESTS EPSTEIN SPIRALED. SUGGESTS EPSTEIN SPIRALED. >> HE DENIED BEING SUICIDAL, >> HE DENIED BEING SUICIDAL, EVEN REFERRING TO HIMSELF AS A EVEN REFERRING TO HIMSELF AS A COWARD. COWARD. >> BUT ON AUGUST 20 19, EPSTEIN >> BUT ON AUGUST 20 19, EPSTEIN DIED BY SUICIDE. DIED BY SUICIDE. THE RECORDS SHOW THE GUARD WAS THE RECORDS SHOW THE GUARD WAS BRINGING BREAKFAST JUST AFTER BRINGING BREAKFAST JUST AFTER 6:30 A.M. WHEN EPSTEIN WAS 6:30 A.M. WHEN EPSTEIN WAS DISCOVERED UNRESPONSIVE. DISCOVERED UNRESPONSIVE. AN ORANGE JUICE MADE FROM BED AN ORANGE JUICE MADE FROM BED SHEETS FOUND TO SELL NEARLY SHEETS FOUND TO SELL NEARLY FOUR YEARS LATER FILLED FOUR YEARS LATER FILLED THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT IS STILL THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT IS STILL INVESTIGATING HOW EPSTEIN, AT INVESTIGATING HOW EPSTEIN, AT THE TIME THE HIGHEST PROFILE THE TIME THE HIGHEST PROFILE FEDERAL INMATE, WAS ABLE TO DIE FEDERAL INMATE, WAS ABLE TO DIE BY SUICIDE WHILE IN CUSTODY. BY SUICIDE WHILE IN CUSTODY. WE'RE TOLD A FINAL REPORT FROM WE'RE TOLD A FINAL REPORT FROM THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT'S THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT'S INSPECTOR GENERAL COULD INSPECTOR GENERAL COULD BE COMING VERY SOON. BE COMING VERY SOON. >> AARON, THANK YOU . >> AARON, THANK YOU . NOW TO THE ECONOMY AND THE JOBS NOW TO THE ECONOMY AND THE JOBS MARKET. MARKET. ONCE AGAIN, DEFYING ONCE AGAIN, DEFYING EXPECTATIONS, EMPLOYERS ADDED EXPECTATIONS, EMPLOYERS ADDED THREE HUNDRED AND THIRTY THREE HUNDRED AND THIRTY NINE THOUSAND JOBS LAST MONTH, NINE THOUSAND JOBS LAST MONTH, NEARLY DOUBLE ANALYSTS NEARLY DOUBLE ANALYSTS PREDICTIONS. PREDICTIONS. UNEMPLOYMENT TICKING UP UNEMPLOYMENT TICKING UP SLIGHTLY TO THREE POINT SLIGHTLY TO THREE POINT SEVEN PERCENT. SEVEN PERCENT. THE DOW SOARING. THE DOW SOARING. SEVEN HUNDRED AND ONE POINTS SEVEN HUNDRED AND ONE POINTS ON THE NEWS AND OF COURSE, ON THE NEWS AND OF COURSE, ON THE NEWS THAT CONGRESS ON THE NEWS THAT CONGRESS PASSED THE DEBT CEILING DEAL . PASSED THE DEBT CEILING DEAL . TURNING TO SOME PROMISING NEWS TURNING TO SOME PROMISING NEWS NOW FOR BREAST CANCER NOW FOR BREAST CANCER TREATMENT. TREATMENT. A PHARMACEUTICAL COMPANY SAYS A PHARMACEUTICAL COMPANY SAYS ITS DRUG CAN SIGNIFICANTLY ITS DRUG CAN SIGNIFICANTLY REDUCE THE CHANCES OF REDUCE THE CHANCES OF BREAST CANCER COMING BACK FOR BREAST CANCER COMING BACK FOR WOMEN WHO WERE DIAGNOSED AT WOMEN WHO WERE DIAGNOSED AT EARLY STAGES OF THE DISEASE. EARLY STAGES OF THE DISEASE. NOVARTIS PRESENTED THE DATA NOVARTIS PRESENTED THE DATA BEHIND THE FDA APPROVED DRUG BEHIND THE FDA APPROVED DRUG CHRIS CONNELLY COULD NOW CHRIS CONNELLY COULD NOW POTENTIALLY OPEN UP THIS TYPE POTENTIALLY OPEN UP THIS TYPE OF TREATMENT TO A BROADER RANGE OF TREATMENT TO A BROADER RANGE OF PATIENTS. OF PATIENTS. THIS COULD BE GOOD NEWS FOR THIS COULD BE GOOD NEWS FOR MORE THAN ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND MORE THAN ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND PATIENTS WHO ARE NEWLY PATIENTS WHO ARE NEWLY DIAGNOSED EACH YEAR. DIAGNOSED EACH YEAR. >> THERE IS STILL MUCH MORE TO >> THERE IS STILL MUCH MORE TO GET TO HERE ON PRIME. GET TO HERE ON PRIME. COMING UP, SHE WAS SHOT IN COMING UP, SHE WAS SHOT IN A PARKING LOT AFTER A FELLOW A PARKING LOT AFTER A FELLOW CHEERLEADER OPENED THE DOOR CHEERLEADER OPENED THE DOOR TO THE WRONG CAR . TO THE WRONG CAR . >> WE SPEAK TO THE HIGH >> WE SPEAK TO THE HIGH SCHOOLER ABOUT THAT LIFE SCHOOLER ABOUT THAT LIFE CHANGING MOMENTS IN OUR PRIME CHANGING MOMENTS IN OUR PRIME FOCUS. FOCUS. A COMPLICATED QUESTION. A COMPLICATED QUESTION. WHAT IS MASCULINITY? WHAT IS MASCULINITY? THE QUEST SOME GO ON TO THE QUEST SOME GO ON TO DEFINED. DEFINED. IT CAN LEAD TO DANGEROUS IT CAN LEAD TO DANGEROUS CONSEQUENCES AND BE A TELLTALE CONSEQUENCES AND BE A TELLTALE SIGN THEY'RE SUFFERING FROM SIGN THEY'RE SUFFERING FROM A FAIRLY NEW MENTAL HEALTH A FAIRLY NEW MENTAL HEALTH CONDITION. CONDITION. MUSCLE DYSMORPHIA. MUSCLE DYSMORPHIA. IT WAS THE SAME ALMOST THE SAME IT WAS THE SAME ALMOST THE SAME FEELING OF THIS HAS TO HAPPEN FEELING OF THIS HAS TO HAPPEN NOW OR SOMETHING TERRIBLE, NOW OR SOMETHING TERRIBLE, SOMETHING REALLY BAD IS GOING SOMETHING REALLY BAD IS GOING TO HAPPEN TO ME THE SAME WAY TO HAPPEN TO ME THE SAME WAY TAKE TAKE YOU THERE. YOU THERE. YOU'RE STREAMING ABC NEWS ON. YOU'RE STREAMING ABC NEWS ON. WELCOME BACK. WELCOME BACK. SOME BILLBOARDS, STOREFRONTS, SOME BILLBOARDS, STOREFRONTS, TV COMMERCIALS, EVEN TOYS ARE TV COMMERCIALS, EVEN TOYS ARE SENDING A VERY CLEAR MESSAGE SENDING A VERY CLEAR MESSAGE TO MEN AND BOYS. TO MEN AND BOYS. THE BIGGER THE MUSCLES, THE BIGGER THE MUSCLES, THE BETTER THE MAN EXPERTS SAY THE BETTER THE MAN EXPERTS SAY THOSE IMAGES ARE ALSO PARTIALLY THOSE IMAGES ARE ALSO PARTIALLY TO BLAME FOR A FAIRLY NEW FORM TO BLAME FOR A FAIRLY NEW FORM OF BODY DYSMORPHIC DISORDER OF BODY DYSMORPHIC DISORDER THAT LEADS TO OVERLY RIGOROUS THAT LEADS TO OVERLY RIGOROUS WORKOUTS, DANGEROUS DIETING, WORKOUTS, DANGEROUS DIETING, EVEN COSMETIC PROCEDURES. EVEN COSMETIC PROCEDURES. SO FROM A STUDENT TO A FITNESS SO FROM A STUDENT TO A FITNESS EXPERT AND EVEN A HOLLYWOOD EXPERT AND EVEN A HOLLYWOOD LEADING MAN, IT CAN IMPACT LEADING MAN, IT CAN IMPACT EVERYONE. EVERYONE. WE TAKE A LOOK AT WE TAKE A LOOK AT THE DEVASTATING CONSEQUENCES OF THE DEVASTATING CONSEQUENCES OF SOCIETY'S SHIFTING VIEW OF SOCIETY'S SHIFTING VIEW OF MASCULINITY. MASCULINITY. HERE'S ABC'S TREVOR AULT. HERE'S ABC'S TREVOR AULT. >> SO EVERY DAY I HAVE TO WAKE >> SO EVERY DAY I HAVE TO WAKE UP AND I HAVE TO SHOW THE WORLD UP AND I HAVE TO SHOW THE WORLD THAT I'M IT'S NOT ENOUGH THAT THAT I'M IT'S NOT ENOUGH THAT I AM A MAN. I AM A MAN. I HAVE TO NOW PROVE MY WORTH. I HAVE TO NOW PROVE MY WORTH. YOU'RE NEVER GOING TO LOOK YOU'RE NEVER GOING TO LOOK AS GOOD AS YOU DO IN THE GYM. AS GOOD AS YOU DO IN THE GYM. IT WAS THE SAME ALMOST THE SAME IT WAS THE SAME ALMOST THE SAME FEELING OF THIS HAS TO HAPPEN FEELING OF THIS HAS TO HAPPEN NOW OR SOMETHING TERRIBLE. NOW OR SOMETHING TERRIBLE. SOMETHING REALLY BAD IS GOING SOMETHING REALLY BAD IS GOING TO HAPPEN TO ME THE SAME WAY TO HAPPEN TO ME THE SAME WAY YOUR BODY IS MAYBE TELLING YOUR BODY IS MAYBE TELLING YOU YOU'RE GOING TO DIE IF YOU YOU'RE GOING TO DIE IF YOU DON'T TAKE BREATH. YOU DON'T TAKE BREATH. >> YOU'VE HEARD THE TERM GYM >> YOU'VE HEARD THE TERM GYM RAT. RAT. YOU'VE SEEN FITNESS MODELS ALL YOU'VE SEEN FITNESS MODELS ALL OVER SOCIAL MEDIA TOUTING OVER SOCIAL MEDIA TOUTING HOW THEY ACHIEVE THEIR ENVIABLE HOW THEY ACHIEVE THEIR ENVIABLE FIGURES, MAYBE EVEN HAVE FIGURES, MAYBE EVEN HAVE A FRIEND WHO SEEMS TO SPEND ALL A FRIEND WHO SEEMS TO SPEND ALL THEIR TIME AT THE GYM PUSHING THEIR TIME AT THE GYM PUSHING THEMSELVES TO THE LIMITS. THEMSELVES TO THE LIMITS. NO PAIN, NO GAIN. NO PAIN, NO GAIN. CAN THERE BE TOO MUCH OF A GOOD CAN THERE BE TOO MUCH OF A GOOD THING? THING? WHEN DOES WORKING OUT BECOME AN WHEN DOES WORKING OUT BECOME AN ADDICTION? ADDICTION? >> JUSTIN BALDONI, YOU'RE KNOWN >> JUSTIN BALDONI, YOU'RE KNOWN FOR PLAYING HANDSOME, MUSCULAR FOR PLAYING HANDSOME, MUSCULAR CHARACTERS LIKE RAFAEL SOLANO, CHARACTERS LIKE RAFAEL SOLANO, JANE THE VIRGIN. JANE THE VIRGIN. WHY WERE YOU TRYING TO GET IN WHY WERE YOU TRYING TO GET IN THE SHOWER WITH ME? THE SHOWER WITH ME? LIKE SO MANY, HIS OWN LIKE SO MANY, HIS OWN MASCULINITY BECAME TIED TO HOW MASCULINITY BECAME TIED TO HOW HE LOOKED. HE LOOKED. >> I RAN TRACK, I PLAYED SOCCER >> I RAN TRACK, I PLAYED SOCCER AND I TORE MY HAMSTRING AND I TORE MY HAMSTRING MY SENIOR YEAR AND I LOST MY SENIOR YEAR AND I LOST EVERYTHING. EVERYTHING. AND I GOT DEPRESSED. AND I GOT DEPRESSED. SO I OVERCOMPENSATED LIKE WE SO I OVERCOMPENSATED LIKE WE ALL DO. ALL DO. AND I WENT IN THE GYM AND I AND I WENT IN THE GYM AND I TRIED TO GET AS TOUGH TRIED TO GET AS TOUGH AND STRONG AND BIG AS I COULD. AND STRONG AND BIG AS I COULD. AND FROM THAT POINT ON THE WAY AND FROM THAT POINT ON THE WAY THAT I FELT IN CLOTHES, THE WAY THAT I FELT IN CLOTHES, THE WAY IT OTHER BOYS AND OTHER IT OTHER BOYS AND OTHER MEN LOOKED AT ME, THE WAY OTHER MEN LOOKED AT ME, THE WAY OTHER GIRLS LOOKED AT ME, I WAS LIKE, GIRLS LOOKED AT ME, I WAS LIKE, OH, OKAY, SO IN ORDER TO GET OH, OKAY, SO IN ORDER TO GET RESPECT, IN ORDER TO HAVE GIRLS RESPECT, IN ORDER TO HAVE GIRLS BE ATTRACTED TO ME, IN ORDER BE ATTRACTED TO ME, IN ORDER TO FEEL LIKE I'M ENOUGH, I NEED TO FEEL LIKE I'M ENOUGH, I NEED TO BE BIG. TO BE BIG. >> YOU CAN USE MY SHIRT. >> YOU CAN USE MY SHIRT. AND THAT BEGAN THE WHOLE AND THAT BEGAN THE WHOLE JOURNEY IN MY TWENTIES WHERE JOURNEY IN MY TWENTIES WHERE I WAS JUST THE DUDE THAT ALWAYS I WAS JUST THE DUDE THAT ALWAYS WOULD TAKE OFF HIS SHIRT THAT WOULD TAKE OFF HIS SHIRT THAT ALWAYS HAD THE SIX PACK THAT ALWAYS HAD THE SIX PACK THAT WAS JUST ALWAYS IN SHAPE. WAS JUST ALWAYS IN SHAPE. >> NO ONE NEIMANN, CO-FOUNDER >> NO ONE NEIMANN, CO-FOUNDER OF RUMBALL BOXING, REMEMBERS OF RUMBALL BOXING, REMEMBERS TEN YEARS AGO SHOWING US ON TEN YEARS AGO SHOWING US ON ABC HOW TO GET THE PERFECT V ABC HOW TO GET THE PERFECT V CUT BACK USING YOUR HANDS, CUT BACK USING YOUR HANDS, HOW MUCH YOU READ IT. HOW MUCH YOU READ IT. >> IT'S THIS LITTLE LIGAMENT >> IT'S THIS LITTLE LIGAMENT RIGHT THERE. RIGHT THERE. >> OKAY, SO GREAT IN HERE. >> OKAY, SO GREAT IN HERE. BUT EVEN AS THE LITERAL MODEL BUT EVEN AS THE LITERAL MODEL OF FITNESS, HE TOO WAS HIS OWN OF FITNESS, HE TOO WAS HIS OWN HARSHEST CRITIC. HARSHEST CRITIC. >> ON NATIONAL TV, TALKING >> ON NATIONAL TV, TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, LOOKING GOOD ABOUT, YOU KNOW, LOOKING GOOD AND FEELING GOOD IN YOUR ABS. AND FEELING GOOD IN YOUR ABS. AND I WAS SELF CONSCIOUS AND I WAS SELF CONSCIOUS AND I'M A PROFESSIONAL AND I AND I'M A PROFESSIONAL AND I WAS AT HOME BEING LIKE, WAS AT HOME BEING LIKE, I SHOULD HAVE THAT SET UP. I SHOULD HAVE THAT SET UP. >> I FELT THAT I DIDN'T LOOK >> I FELT THAT I DIDN'T LOOK GOOD IN ASPIRATIONS OF GOOD IN ASPIRATIONS OF THE IDEAL MALE PHYSIQUE. THE IDEAL MALE PHYSIQUE. >> DON'T JUST IMPACT HOLLYWOOD >> DON'T JUST IMPACT HOLLYWOOD ACTORS AND FITNESS ACTORS AND FITNESS PROFESSIONALS. PROFESSIONALS. >> MY FRIEND HAD LIKE A GYM IN >> MY FRIEND HAD LIKE A GYM IN HIS SHED IN THE BACK OF HIS HIS SHED IN THE BACK OF HIS HOUSE AND LIKE HIS GARAGE. HOUSE AND LIKE HIS GARAGE. AND I WENT THERE AND STARTED AND I WENT THERE AND STARTED LIFTING WEIGHTS. LIFTING WEIGHTS. I WAS HERE AND WORDS OF I WAS HERE AND WORDS OF DEDICATION AND CONSISTENCY DEDICATION AND CONSISTENCY AND WORKING HARD, ALL THE ALL AND WORKING HARD, ALL THE ALL THESE THINGS THAT FELT GOOD. THESE THINGS THAT FELT GOOD. I FELT LIKE I WAS GETTING THAT I FELT LIKE I WAS GETTING THAT KIND OF RESPECT. KIND OF RESPECT. AND A LOT OF THIS REVOLVED AND A LOT OF THIS REVOLVED AROUND MASCULINITY FOR ME AROUND MASCULINITY FOR ME AS WELL. AS WELL. AND THE IDEA OF BEING MANLY AND THE IDEA OF BEING MANLY MUSCLE DYSMORPHIA, SOMETIMES MUSCLE DYSMORPHIA, SOMETIMES KNOWN AS BIG REXY TYPE OF BODY KNOWN AS BIG REXY TYPE OF BODY DYSMORPHIC DISORDER, WHERE DYSMORPHIC DISORDER, WHERE SOMEONE PERCEIVES THEIR BODY SOMEONE PERCEIVES THEIR BODY SHAPE AS A DISTRESSING FLAW IN SHAPE AS A DISTRESSING FLAW IN THEIR APPEARANCE. THEIR APPEARANCE. THAT DOESN'T LINE UP WITH HOW THAT DOESN'T LINE UP WITH HOW THEY MIGHT ACTUALLY LOOK. THEY MIGHT ACTUALLY LOOK. >> IT AFFECTS MOSTLY MEN AND >> IT AFFECTS MOSTLY MEN AND BOYS WHO THINK THEIR BODY BUILD BOYS WHO THINK THEIR BODY BUILD IS TOO SMALL AND PUNY, THAT IS TOO SMALL AND PUNY, THAT THEY'RE NOT BIG AND MUSCULAR THEY'RE NOT BIG AND MUSCULAR ENOUGH, WHEN IN REALITY ENOUGH, WHEN IN REALITY THEY LOOK ENTIRELY NORMAL. THEY LOOK ENTIRELY NORMAL. OR SOME OF THEM ARE VERY OR SOME OF THEM ARE VERY MUSCULAR, BUT THEY DON'T SEE MUSCULAR, BUT THEY DON'T SEE THEMSELVES THAT WAY. THEMSELVES THAT WAY. >> THE MORE YOU FOCUS IN ON IT, >> THE MORE YOU FOCUS IN ON IT, THE MORE YOU CAN FIND FLAWS. THE MORE YOU CAN FIND FLAWS. YES, AND THE MORE DISTORTED YES, AND THE MORE DISTORTED YOUR PERCEPTION GETS. YOUR PERCEPTION GETS. PERHAPS IT'S A LITTLE LIKE PERHAPS IT'S A LITTLE LIKE STARING AT A WORD ON A PAGE STARING AT A WORD ON A PAGE THAT YOU'RE READING. THAT YOU'RE READING. AFTER A WHILE, IT STARTS AFTER A WHILE, IT STARTS LOOKING A LITTLE DISTORTED LOOKING A LITTLE DISTORTED AND ODD, RIGHT. AND ODD, RIGHT. >> DR. KATHARINE PHILLIPS ALONG >> DR. KATHARINE PHILLIPS ALONG WITH HER FELLOW AUTHORS, COINED WITH HER FELLOW AUTHORS, COINED THE TERM MUSCLE DYSMORPHIA THE TERM MUSCLE DYSMORPHIA MORE THAN TWENTY YEARS AGO IN MORE THAN TWENTY YEARS AGO IN THEIR BOOK, THE ADONIS COMPLEX. THEIR BOOK, THE ADONIS COMPLEX. >> TAKE US BACK TO THE EARLY >> TAKE US BACK TO THE EARLY NINETIES. NINETIES. I MEAN, HOW WAS BODY DYSMORPHIA I MEAN, HOW WAS BODY DYSMORPHIA OR MORE SPECIFICALLY MUSCLE OR MORE SPECIFICALLY MUSCLE DYSMORPHIA CONSIDERED IN DYSMORPHIA CONSIDERED IN SOCIETY? SOCIETY? WAS IT EVEN CONSIDERED AT ALL? WAS IT EVEN CONSIDERED AT ALL? >> NO, NO. >> NO, NO. SCIENTISTS WEREN'T AWARE OF IT. SCIENTISTS WEREN'T AWARE OF IT. >> DOCTORS WEREN'T AWARE OF IT. >> DOCTORS WEREN'T AWARE OF IT. IF YOU THINK OF CARY GRANT, IF YOU THINK OF CARY GRANT, AND YOU KNOW, THE ERA OF AND YOU KNOW, THE ERA OF MY FATHER, YOUR GRANDFATHER, MY FATHER, YOUR GRANDFATHER, THEY WEREN'T OBSESSED THEY WEREN'T OBSESSED WITH BEING MUSCULAR. WITH BEING MUSCULAR. THEY WERE PERFECTLY HAPPY THEY WERE PERFECTLY HAPPY WITH A SORT OF ORDINARY BODY WITH A SORT OF ORDINARY BODY BUILD. BUILD. AND THEN OVER THE DECADES, AND THEN OVER THE DECADES, ESPECIALLY, I'D SAY FROM ESPECIALLY, I'D SAY FROM THE NINETEEN NINETIES ONWARD, THE NINETEEN NINETIES ONWARD, WE SEE AN INCREASING EMPHASIS WE SEE AN INCREASING EMPHASIS ON A MORE MUSCULAR MALE BODY IN ON A MORE MUSCULAR MALE BODY IN ADVERTISING, IN ACTION FIGURES, ADVERTISING, IN ACTION FIGURES, THE TOYS THAT BOYS PLAY THE TOYS THAT BOYS PLAY WITH BIGGER. WITH BIGGER. IT'S A SECRET CRISIS. IT'S A SECRET CRISIS. DR. PHILIPS ESTIMATES TWO TO DR. PHILIPS ESTIMATES TWO TO THREE PERCENT OF THE GENERAL THREE PERCENT OF THE GENERAL POPULATION SUFFER FROM LARGELY POPULATION SUFFER FROM LARGELY IN SILENCE. IN SILENCE. >> I REMEMBER ONE OF THE FIRST >> I REMEMBER ONE OF THE FIRST PATIENTS I SAW WITH MUSCLE PATIENTS I SAW WITH MUSCLE DYSMORPHIA. DYSMORPHIA. I NOTICED THAT HE HAD I NOTICED THAT HE HAD SIX LAYERS OF T-SHIRTS. SIX LAYERS OF T-SHIRTS. >> HE WAS TRYING TO LOOK BIGGER >> HE WAS TRYING TO LOOK BIGGER AND THAT IDEA OF LOOKING BIGGER AND THAT IDEA OF LOOKING BIGGER HAS BECOME AN INCREASING HAS BECOME AN INCREASING EXPECTATION FOR MEN AROUND EXPECTATION FOR MEN AROUND THE WORLD. THE WORLD. TWENTY SIX YEAR OLD PHD STUDENT TWENTY SIX YEAR OLD PHD STUDENT GEORGE MICHOT FROM ENGLAND SAYS GEORGE MICHOT FROM ENGLAND SAYS HIS JOURNEY WITH MUSCLES HIS JOURNEY WITH MUSCLES IS MORPHIA STARTED WHEN HE WAS IS MORPHIA STARTED WHEN HE WAS JUST THIRTEEN. JUST THIRTEEN. HE ORIGINALLY BEGAN PLAYING HE ORIGINALLY BEGAN PLAYING RUGBY TO BE TOUGH. RUGBY TO BE TOUGH. >> LIKE HIS DAD. >> LIKE HIS DAD. PEOPLE STARTED TO CALL ME BIG PEOPLE STARTED TO CALL ME BIG MAN A LOT. MAN A LOT. PEOPLE STARTED TO KIND OF AWARD PEOPLE STARTED TO KIND OF AWARD THE VIOLENT BEHAVIORS AND I THE VIOLENT BEHAVIORS AND I WOULD DO ON THE PITCH WOULD DO ON THE PITCH AND PEOPLE WOULD ASSOCIATE ME AND PEOPLE WOULD ASSOCIATE ME WITH BEING TOUGH AND BEING WITH BEING TOUGH AND BEING STRONG AND BEING POWERFUL. STRONG AND BEING POWERFUL. >> IT BECAME A PART OF HIS >> IT BECAME A PART OF HIS IDENTITY AND IDENTITY THAT WAS IDENTITY AND IDENTITY THAT WAS TAKEN AWAY WHEN HE BROKE HIS TAKEN AWAY WHEN HE BROKE HIS BACK AND TOLD HE SHOULD NEVER BACK AND TOLD HE SHOULD NEVER PLAY RUGBY AGAIN. PLAY RUGBY AGAIN. >> I WAS EMOTIONALLY EATING >> I WAS EMOTIONALLY EATING BECAUSE I WAS JUST UPSET ABOUT BECAUSE I WAS JUST UPSET ABOUT NOT BEING ABLE TO PLAY RUGBY NOT BEING ABLE TO PLAY RUGBY ANYMORE, I MEAN, LOSING THIS ANYMORE, I MEAN, LOSING THIS PART OF MY IDENTITY. PART OF MY IDENTITY. SO I GAINED SIGNIFICANT SO I GAINED SIGNIFICANT MY WEIGHT. MY WEIGHT. >> THAT'S WHEN GEORGE BEGAN >> THAT'S WHEN GEORGE BEGAN TO HIT THE GYM. TO HIT THE GYM. ARGU BILLY TOO OFTEN, BUT ARGU BILLY TOO OFTEN, BUT ONLINE FORUMS TOLD HIM ONLINE FORUMS TOLD HIM OTHERWISE. OTHERWISE. >> THAT'S HIM. >> THAT'S HIM. FREAK IS A TERM OF ENDEARMENT FREAK IS A TERM OF ENDEARMENT IN THE FITNESS COMMUNITY. IN THE FITNESS COMMUNITY. IF YOU WANT TO BECOME REALLY IF YOU WANT TO BECOME REALLY MUSCULAR, YOU WANT TO BE MUSCULAR, YOU WANT TO BE SUCCESSFUL. SUCCESSFUL. PUSH AND PUSHING THROUGH THIS PUSH AND PUSHING THROUGH THIS BARRIER. BARRIER. YOUR FRIENDS ARE GOING TO NOT YOUR FRIENDS ARE GOING TO NOT UNDERSTAND. UNDERSTAND. A FAMILY IS NOT GOING A FAMILY IS NOT GOING TO UNDERSTAND. TO UNDERSTAND. BUT IT'S YOUR RESPONSIBILITY BUT IT'S YOUR RESPONSIBILITY TO IGNORE THAT. TO IGNORE THAT. AND PUSH THROUGH. AND PUSH THROUGH. >> AFTER NEARLY TEN YEARS OF >> AFTER NEARLY TEN YEARS OF TOUGH WORKOUTS, AND STRICT TOUGH WORKOUTS, AND STRICT DIETS, HE WAS STILL NOT DIETS, HE WAS STILL NOT SATISFIED WITH HOW HE LOOKED. SATISFIED WITH HOW HE LOOKED. I BASICALLY GOT TO THE POINT I BASICALLY GOT TO THE POINT WHERE I FELT LIKE I WOULD NEVER WHERE I FELT LIKE I WOULD NEVER BE WHAT I WANTED TO BE. BE WHAT I WANTED TO BE. AND I FELT LIKE IT'D BE BETTER AND I FELT LIKE IT'D BE BETTER IF I WASN'T HERE. IF I WASN'T HERE. AND ONE OF MY FRIENDS NOTICED AND ONE OF MY FRIENDS NOTICED THAT I'D BEEN AWAY FOR A LONG THAT I'D BEEN AWAY FOR A LONG TIME. TIME. AND I WAS LITERALLY ON THAT DAY AND I WAS LITERALLY ON THAT DAY I WAS PLANNING HOW I WAS GOING I WAS PLANNING HOW I WAS GOING TO DO IT. TO DO IT. FOR TRAINER NOA AND A LOT OF FOR TRAINER NOA AND A LOT OF MEN WORLDWIDE, HIS STORY MEN WORLDWIDE, HIS STORY PARALLELS GEORGES. PARALLELS GEORGES. >> I WAS REALLY SELF-CONSCIOUS, >> I WAS REALLY SELF-CONSCIOUS, SO I WOULD AVOID PLAYING SO I WOULD AVOID PLAYING BASKETBALL BECAUSE GOD FORBID, BASKETBALL BECAUSE GOD FORBID, I WAS PICKED ON THE SKINS TEAM. I WAS PICKED ON THE SKINS TEAM. YOU'RE LITERALLY LOOKING AT YOU'RE LITERALLY LOOKING AT THE MIRROR AND I'VE DONE IT THE MIRROR AND I'VE DONE IT BEFORE. BEFORE. YOU KNOW, I'VE HAD I'VE I'VE YOU KNOW, I'VE HAD I'VE I'VE GONE AS EXTREME AS , YOU KNOW, GONE AS EXTREME AS , YOU KNOW, EATING A RICE KRISPIE TREAT EATING A RICE KRISPIE TREAT AND BEING LIKE,, THAT'S AND BEING LIKE,, THAT'S ONE HUNDRED CALORIES. ONE HUNDRED CALORIES. I'VE TO GET ON THE BIKE. I'VE TO GET ON THE BIKE. DO YOU THINK OF THAT NEGATIVE DO YOU THINK OF THAT NEGATIVE THINKING WOULD HAVE KILLED? THINKING WOULD HAVE KILLED? YES. YES. I MEAN, I WAS OVEREXERCISING. I MEAN, I WAS OVEREXERCISING. I WAS UNDERFEEDING MYSELF. I WAS UNDERFEEDING MYSELF. AND THAT JUST WREAKED HAVOC AND THAT JUST WREAKED HAVOC ON MY SLEEP, ON MY ABILITY ON MY SLEEP, ON MY ABILITY TO FUNCTION AS A HUMAN. TO FUNCTION AS A HUMAN. AND THOSE THINGS TOOK ME INTO AND THOSE THINGS TOOK ME INTO A VERY DEPRESSIVE STATE. A VERY DEPRESSIVE STATE. SO YOU TRY TO CRAWL OUT OF IT. SO YOU TRY TO CRAWL OUT OF IT. >> AND I TRIED TO CRAWL OUT OF >> AND I TRIED TO CRAWL OUT OF IT THROUGH DRUGS. IT THROUGH DRUGS. NO ONE REALIZED HE NEEDED NO ONE REALIZED HE NEEDED TO CHANGE HIS MIND SET, CHASING TO CHANGE HIS MIND SET, CHASING A FEELING, NOT A FINISH LINE. A FEELING, NOT A FINISH LINE. >> I DON'T WANT TO TRAIN FOR >> I DON'T WANT TO TRAIN FOR A SIX PACK. A SIX PACK. I WANT TO TRAIN BECAUSE IT I WANT TO TRAIN BECAUSE IT MAKES ME FEEL LIKE MAKES ME FEEL LIKE THE STRONGEST VERSION OF MYSELF THE STRONGEST VERSION OF MYSELF AND LIKE I'M PROGRESSING TODAY, AND LIKE I'M PROGRESSING TODAY, LIKE I'M GETTING A LITTLE BIT LIKE I'M GETTING A LITTLE BIT BETTER TODAY. BETTER TODAY. AND THAT PROGRESSION IS GOT AND THAT PROGRESSION IS GOT TO BE IT'S GOT TO BE TO BE IT'S GOT TO BE THE FOUNDATION OF HAPPINESS. THE FOUNDATION OF HAPPINESS. >> AND JUST IN TO REALIZED HE >> AND JUST IN TO REALIZED HE NEEDED TO CHANGE HIS MOTIVATION NEEDED TO CHANGE HIS MOTIVATION THROUGH WORKING OUT TAKING THROUGH WORKING OUT TAKING A BREAK FROM ACTING NOW, A BREAK FROM ACTING NOW, PREACHING WHAT HE CALLS THE Y PREACHING WHAT HE CALLS THE Y LADDER DETAILED IN HIS BOOKS, LADDER DETAILED IN HIS BOOKS, MAN ENOUGH AND BOYS WILL BE MAN ENOUGH AND BOYS WILL BE HUMAN. HUMAN. >> WHY DO YOU WANNA WORK OUT >> WHY DO YOU WANNA WORK OUT OKAY? OKAY? WHY AND THEN WHY? WHY AND THEN WHY? GENERALLY THAT THIRD Y GETS GENERALLY THAT THIRD Y GETS YOU TO THE CORE ROOT OF YOU TO THE CORE ROOT OF THE REASON. THE REASON. IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT THE REASON, SO LONG AS YOU ARE THE REASON, SO LONG AS YOU ARE AWARE OF THE REASON. AWARE OF THE REASON. >> THEN GO IN THE GYM. >> THEN GO IN THE GYM. HOW ABOUT HE REGULARLY HOW ABOUT HE REGULARLY DISCUSSES THE PRESSURES OF WHAT DISCUSSES THE PRESSURES OF WHAT IT MEANS TO BE A MAN ON HIS IT MEANS TO BE A MAN ON HIS MAN. MAN. >> ENOUGH PODCAST. >> ENOUGH PODCAST. RAISE YOUR HAND IF YOU'VE EVER RAISE YOUR HAND IF YOU'VE EVER HAD BODY IMAGE ISSUES, HE HAD BODY IMAGE ISSUES, HE ENCOURAGES HIS SON TO ENCOURAGES HIS SON TO UNDERSTAND THERE'S MORE THAN UNDERSTAND THERE'S MORE THAN JUST WORKING OUT THE BODY. JUST WORKING OUT THE BODY. >> I ALWAYS TELL HIM THE HEART >> I ALWAYS TELL HIM THE HEART IS THE STRONGEST MUSCLE IN IS THE STRONGEST MUSCLE IN THE BODY. THE BODY. OF COURSE, SCIENTIFICALLY WE OF COURSE, SCIENTIFICALLY WE KNOW WITH THE TONGUE OF KNOW WITH THE TONGUE OF THE BRAIN, BUT METAPHORICALLY THE BRAIN, BUT METAPHORICALLY IT REALLY IS IT. IT REALLY IS IT. WITH GEORGIA'S DARKEST DAYS WITH GEORGIA'S DARKEST DAYS BEHIND HIM, HE'S NOW STUDYING BEHIND HIM, HE'S NOW STUDYING FOR HIS DOCTORATE IN FOR HIS DOCTORATE IN MUSCULARITY ORIENTED ISSUES, MUSCULARITY ORIENTED ISSUES, STARTING HIS OWN PODCAST STARTING HIS OWN PODCAST AND WEBSITE CALLED MAILLOL AND WEBSITE CALLED MAILLOL MINDS. MINDS. INITIALLY A SOUNDING BOARD FOR INITIALLY A SOUNDING BOARD FOR OTHERS TO TALK ABOUT THEIR OWN OTHERS TO TALK ABOUT THEIR OWN EXPERIENCE WITH FITNESS. EXPERIENCE WITH FITNESS. >> I WAS OVERWHELMED BY HOW >> I WAS OVERWHELMED BY HOW MANY IT WAS THAT SHARED MANY IT WAS THAT SHARED SOMETHING AND SAID RESONATED SOMETHING AND SAID RESONATED WITH WHAT I SAID IN THE FACT WITH WHAT I SAID IN THE FACT THAT NONE OF THEM EVER TOLD ME THAT NONE OF THEM EVER TOLD ME THAT BEFORE. THAT BEFORE. >> AND ALL THREE MEN SAY, WHILE >> AND ALL THREE MEN SAY, WHILE THERE IS NO QUESTION FITNESS THERE IS NO QUESTION FITNESS IS IMPORTANT TO THEM, IT COMES IS IMPORTANT TO THEM, IT COMES DOWN TO SELF-WORTH. DOWN TO SELF-WORTH. AND IN SOME CASES PAIRING THAT AND IN SOME CASES PAIRING THAT WITH PROFESSIONAL HELP. WITH PROFESSIONAL HELP. >> WHAT DO YOU THINK TEENAGE >> WHAT DO YOU THINK TEENAGE NOAH, WHO FELT THAT WATCHING NOAH, WHO FELT THAT WATCHING MTV WOULD HAVE THOUGHT WITH THE MTV WOULD HAVE THOUGHT WITH THE TIKTOK REELS AND INSTAGRAM TIKTOK REELS AND INSTAGRAM SEEING WHAT IT IS NOW? SEEING WHAT IT IS NOW? OH, WHAT A DISAPPOINTMENT. OH, WHAT A DISAPPOINTMENT. ABSOLUTELY. ABSOLUTELY. I'M AND I'M JUST BEING HONEST. I'M AND I'M JUST BEING HONEST. IT ALMOST DESTROYED ME WHEN IT ALMOST DESTROYED ME WHEN I WAS A KID. I WAS A KID. AND , YOU KNOW, IT BREAKS AND , YOU KNOW, IT BREAKS MY HEART TO KNOW THAT THERE ARE MY HEART TO KNOW THAT THERE ARE KIDS GROWING UP THAT SEE KIDS GROWING UP THAT SEE ONLY THE HIGHLIGHT REELS THAT ONLY THE HIGHLIGHT REELS THAT SEE ONLY THE MANUFACTURED, SEE ONLY THE MANUFACTURED, POLISHED HOLLYWOOD, YOU KNOW, POLISHED HOLLYWOOD, YOU KNOW, IDYLLIC BODIES. IDYLLIC BODIES. AND IT'S JUST NOT REALISTIC AND IT'S JUST NOT REALISTIC WHEN YOU GET TO THE TOP OF WHEN YOU GET TO THE TOP OF THE MOUNTAIN OR MAYBE FURTHER THE MOUNTAIN OR MAYBE FURTHER UP THE MOUNTAIN, THE GRASS UP THE MOUNTAIN, THE GRASS IS GREENER. IS GREENER. YOUR INSECURITIES DON'T GO AWAY YOUR INSECURITIES DON'T GO AWAY BECAUSE WHAT YOU'RE TRYING BECAUSE WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO FILL IS A VOID THAT NO TO FILL IS A VOID THAT NO AMOUNT OF MUSCLE WILL EVER FIX. AMOUNT OF MUSCLE WILL EVER FIX. >> IMPORTANT WORDS FOR SO MANY >> IMPORTANT WORDS FOR SO MANY TO HEAR. TO HEAR. TREVOR , THANK YOU FOR THAT. TREVOR , THANK YOU FOR THAT. STILL MUCH MORE TO GET YOU HERE STILL MUCH MORE TO GET YOU HERE ON PRUYN. ON PRUYN. COMING UP, A COMMUNITY IN MIAMI COMING UP, A COMMUNITY IN MIAMI FIGHTING AGAINST A MAJOR FIGHTING AGAINST A MAJOR REVITALIZED PLAN. REVITALIZED PLAN. HOW A NEW FILM IS PUTTING HOW A NEW FILM IS PUTTING A SPOTLIGHT ON WHAT SOME SAY A SPOTLIGHT ON WHAT SOME SAY IS A NEWER FORM OF IS A NEWER FORM OF GENTRIFICATION. GENTRIFICATION. KELLY ROWLAND TELLING US ABOUT KELLY ROWLAND TELLING US ABOUT HER NEW PODCAST, A SINGING HER NEW PODCAST, A SINGING COMPETITION THAT DOESN'T ALLOW COMPETITION THAT DOESN'T ALLOW HER TO SEE THE CONTESTANTS. HER TO SEE THE CONTESTANTS. DOES IT MAKE YOU MORE IN TUNE DOES IT MAKE YOU MORE IN TUNE WITH EVERY NOTE AND THEIR WITH EVERY NOTE AND THEIR DELIVERY BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE DELIVERY BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE THE EYE CANDY AND THE THE EYE CANDY AND THE DISTRACTION? DISTRACTION? ABSOLUTELY. ABSOLUTELY. AND THE MOST INTERESTING THING AND THE MOST INTERESTING THING TO ME IS BECAUSE THERE ARE NO TO ME IS BECAUSE THERE ARE NO DISTRACTIONS, NO LIGHTS, NO DISTRACTIONS, NO LIGHTS, NO CAMERAS, NO THIS OR THAT, NOR CAMERAS, NO THIS OR THAT, NOR ANYTHING. ANYTHING. IT'S JUST LISTENING. IT'S JUST LISTENING. YOU'RE LISTENING. YOU'RE LISTENING. >> BUT NEXT, IT'S THE BEST TIME >> BUT NEXT, IT'S THE BEST TIME OF THE YEAR FOR WORD LOVERS. OF THE YEAR FOR WORD LOVERS. THE SCRIPPS NATIONAL SPELLING THE SCRIPPS NATIONAL SPELLING BEE. BEE. WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A CLOSER WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A CLOSER LOOK AT THE LONG RUNNING LOOK AT THE LONG RUNNING YOU THERE. YOU THERE. YOU'RE STREAMING ABCNEWS.COM. YOU'RE STREAMING ABCNEWS.COM. WELCOME BACK. WELCOME BACK. THE NATIONAL SPELLING BEE HAS THE NATIONAL SPELLING BEE HAS A NEW CHAMPION, SO WE'LL TAKE A NEW CHAMPION, SO WE'LL TAKE LOOK BY THE NUMBERS. LOOK BY THE NUMBERS. >> FOURTEEN YEAR OLD DEB SHAHD >> FOURTEEN YEAR OLD DEB SHAHD FROM LARGO, FLORIDA, TOOK HOME FROM LARGO, FLORIDA, TOOK HOME THE COVETED TOP PRIZE IN THE COVETED TOP PRIZE IN THE FINALS OF THE TWENTY THE FINALS OF THE TWENTY TWENTY THREE SCRIPPS NATIONAL TWENTY THREE SCRIPPS NATIONAL SPELLING BEE. SPELLING BEE. LAST NIGHT, THE EIGHTH GRADER LAST NIGHT, THE EIGHTH GRADER WAS COMPETING IN HIS THIRD WAS COMPETING IN HIS THIRD NATIONAL SPELLING BEE AND GAVE NATIONAL SPELLING BEE AND GAVE THE STATE OF FLORIDA ITS FIRST THE STATE OF FLORIDA ITS FIRST WIN SINCE 1999. WIN SINCE 1999. HE SURVIVED 15 ROUNDS IN HE SURVIVED 15 ROUNDS IN THE FINALS, FINALLY WINNING THE FINALS, FINALLY WINNING A WORD WITH ELEVEN LETTERS A WORD WITH ELEVEN LETTERS SEMIFINAL, WHICH IS AN ORGANISM SEMIFINAL, WHICH IS AN ORGANISM THAT PREFERS OR THRIVES IN THAT PREFERS OR THRIVES IN SANDY AREAS LIKE A CACTUS. SANDY AREAS LIKE A CACTUS. OF COURSE WE ALL KNOW AND NO, OF COURSE WE ALL KNOW AND NO, I'M NOT GOING TO SPELL IT FOR I'M NOT GOING TO SPELL IT FOR YOU THIS WAS YEAR YOU THIS WAS YEAR NINETY FIVE FOR THE SCRIPPS NINETY FIVE FOR THE SCRIPPS NATIONAL SPELLING BEE, WHICH NATIONAL SPELLING BEE, WHICH WAS FIRST HELD IN WAS FIRST HELD IN NINETEEN TWENTY FIVE WITH JUST NINETEEN TWENTY FIVE WITH JUST NINE SPELLERS COMPETING FOR NINE SPELLERS COMPETING FOR THE TITLE AT THE TIME. THE TITLE AT THE TIME. THIS YEAR BEAT TWO HUNDRED THIS YEAR BEAT TWO HUNDRED AND TWENTY EIGHT OTHER SPELLERS AND TWENTY EIGHT OTHER SPELLERS WHO MADE IT TO THE NATIONAL WHO MADE IT TO THE NATIONAL COMPETITION BY ADVANCING COMPETITION BY ADVANCING THROUGH REGIONAL SPELLING BEES THROUGH REGIONAL SPELLING BEES AROUND THE COUNTRY. AROUND THE COUNTRY. ELEVEN SPELLERS MADE IT TO THE ELEVEN SPELLERS MADE IT TO THE FINAL ROUND LAST NIGHT FOR HIS FINAL ROUND LAST NIGHT FOR HIS BIG WIN. BIG WIN. DEB TAKES ON FIFTY THOUSAND IN DEB TAKES ON FIFTY THOUSAND IN CASH PRIZES PLUS AT SCRIPPS CASH PRIZES PLUS AT SCRIPPS TROPHY. TROPHY. HE SO PROUDLY HELD HIGH LAST HE SO PROUDLY HELD HIGH LAST NIGHT. NIGHT. AS FOR HOW HE PLANS AS FOR HOW HE PLANS TO CELEBRATE, HE TOLD TO CELEBRATE, HE TOLD "GMA" THAT AFTER COUNTLESS "GMA" THAT AFTER COUNTLESS HOURS STUDYING AND PRACTICING, HOURS STUDYING AND PRACTICING, HE PLANS TO GET SOME SLEEP. HE PLANS TO GET SOME SLEEP. IT'S GOOD PLAN AND A WORD MOST IT'S GOOD PLAN AND A WORD MOST OF US CAN. OF US CAN. >> STILL MUCH MORE AHEAD HERE >> STILL MUCH MORE AHEAD HERE ON PRIME MISTAKE LEFT THE TEAM ON PRIME MISTAKE LEFT THE TEAM FIGHTING FOR HER LIFE IN FIGHTING FOR HER LIFE IN THE ICU WEEKS AFTER BEING SHOT THE ICU WEEKS AFTER BEING SHOT BY A STRANGER. BY A STRANGER. >> SHE TALKS ABOUT THE MOMENT >> SHE TALKS ABOUT THE MOMENT SHE HEARD THE GUNSHOTS. SHE HEARD THE GUNSHOTS. >> AND KELLY ROWLAND TELLING >> AND KELLY ROWLAND TELLING US HOW HER NEW PODCAST US HOW HER NEW PODCAST ACROSS ACROSS THE GLOBE KEEPS STREAMING THE GLOBE KEEPS STREAMING WITH ABC NEWS LIVE. WITH ABC NEWS LIVE. >> WELCOME BACK. >> WELCOME BACK. NOW TO AN ABC NEWS EXCLUSIVE. NOW TO AN ABC NEWS EXCLUSIVE. MICHAEL STRAHAN SAT DOWN MICHAEL STRAHAN SAT DOWN WITH THE HIGH SCHOOL WITH THE HIGH SCHOOL CHEERLEADER WHO WAS SHOT IN CHEERLEADER WHO WAS SHOT IN A PARKING LOT AFTER HER A PARKING LOT AFTER HER TEAMMATE OPENED THE DOOR TO THE TEAMMATE OPENED THE DOOR TO THE WRONG CAR TO TALK ABOUT THAT WRONG CAR TO TALK ABOUT THAT RANDOM ACT OF VIOLENCE THAT RANDOM ACT OF VIOLENCE THAT ALMOST ENDED HER LIFE JUST OVER ALMOST ENDED HER LIFE JUST OVER SIX WEEKS AGO. SIX WEEKS AGO. YOU WERE SHOT THREE TIMES THAT YOU WERE SHOT THREE TIMES THAT HARD TO BELIEVE? HARD TO BELIEVE? >> I DON'T EVEN KNOW. >> I DON'T EVEN KNOW. IT'S KIND OF UNREAL, BUT IT'S KIND OF UNREAL, BUT I'M TRYING TO DO WHATEVER I CAN I'M TRYING TO DO WHATEVER I CAN TO BE NORMAL AND DO EVERYTHING TO BE NORMAL AND DO EVERYTHING . . >> SENIOR IN HIGH SCHOOL, WHAT >> SENIOR IN HIGH SCHOOL, WHAT DO JUST SIX WEEKS AGO, EIGHTEEN DO JUST SIX WEEKS AGO, EIGHTEEN YEAR OLD PAYTON WASHINGTON YEAR OLD PAYTON WASHINGTON WITH FIGHTING FOR A LIFE IN WITH FIGHTING FOR A LIFE IN THE ICU AFTER BEING SHOT THE ICU AFTER BEING SHOT THREE TIMES WHILE CARPOOLING THREE TIMES WHILE CARPOOLING HOME FROM CHEERLEADING PRACTICE HOME FROM CHEERLEADING PRACTICE A GUN. A GUN. OH, YOU STARTED SHOOTING AT OH, YOU STARTED SHOOTING AT A STAFF MEMBER. A STAFF MEMBER. >> WOODEN'S ELITE CHEERLEADING >> WOODEN'S ELITE CHEERLEADING AND TUMBLING WASHINGTON AND TUMBLING WASHINGTON AND THREE TEAMMATES WERE AT AND THREE TEAMMATES WERE AT THEIR CAR POOL POINT AT AN ATV THEIR CAR POOL POINT AT AN ATV GROCERY STORE OUTSIDE OF GROCERY STORE OUTSIDE OF AUSTIN, TEXAS. AUSTIN, TEXAS. JUST AFTER MIDNIGHT ON APRIL JUST AFTER MIDNIGHT ON APRIL 18TH. 18TH. >> TELL ME WHAT YOU REMEMBER. >> TELL ME WHAT YOU REMEMBER. I WAS ACTUALLY TEXTING I WAS ACTUALLY TEXTING AND EATING TWIZZLERS LIKE AND EATING TWIZZLERS LIKE YOU'RE BEING A TEENAGER. YOU'RE BEING A TEENAGER. >> EXACTLY. >> EXACTLY. THAT'S WHEN THE UNIMAGINABLE THAT'S WHEN THE UNIMAGINABLE HAPPENED. HAPPENED. WHEN I HEARD THE FIRST SHOT, WHEN I HEARD THE FIRST SHOT, I TURNED IMMEDIATELY WITH MY I TURNED IMMEDIATELY WITH MY BLANKET. BLANKET. I DIDN'T WHERE IT WAS COMING I DIDN'T WHERE IT WAS COMING FROM OR ANYTHING, BUT IT BEING FROM OR ANYTHING, BUT IT BEING SO LOUD THAT MY EARS WERE SO LOUD THAT MY EARS WERE RINGING LIKE I KNEW TO TURN RINGING LIKE I KNEW TO TURN AND DO SOMETHING. AND DO SOMETHING. >> HEATHER ROTH, HER TEAMMATE, >> HEATHER ROTH, HER TEAMMATE, SAYS SHE WENT TO GET INTO A CAR SAYS SHE WENT TO GET INTO A CAR SHE THOUGHT WAS YOUR OWN. SHE THOUGHT WAS YOUR OWN. WHEN SHE OPENED THE DOOR, SHE WHEN SHE OPENED THE DOOR, SHE SAW A STRANGER SITTING IN SAW A STRANGER SITTING IN THE PASSENGER SEAT . THE PASSENGER SEAT . ROTH BACKED AWAY AND RETURNED ROTH BACKED AWAY AND RETURNED TO HER FRIEND'S CAR . TO HER FRIEND'S CAR . THEN SHE SAYS, THE STRANGER, THEN SHE SAYS, THE STRANGER, WHO POLICE SAY WAS WHO POLICE SAY WAS TWENTY FIVE YEAR OLD PEDRO TELO TWENTY FIVE YEAR OLD PEDRO TELO RODRIGUEZ JR. APPROACHED THEM. RODRIGUEZ JR. APPROACHED THEM. >> WERE YOU AFRAID WHEN HE >> WERE YOU AFRAID WHEN HE APPROACHED YOUR CAR? APPROACHED YOUR CAR? I DIDN'T SEE HIM HONESTLY. I DIDN'T SEE HIM HONESTLY. I WAS STILL LOOKING AT MY PHONE I WAS STILL LOOKING AT MY PHONE AND I HEARD IN THE BACKGROUND AND I HEARD IN THE BACKGROUND WHAT WAS HAPPENING, BUT WHAT WAS HAPPENING, BUT I DIDN'T THINK IT WAS GOING I DIDN'T THINK IT WAS GOING TO BE AS BIG OF A DEAL AS IT TO BE AS BIG OF A DEAL AS IT WAS. WAS. SHE JUST KEPT SAYING, LIKE, SHE JUST KEPT SAYING, LIKE, I'M SORRY, I'M SORRY. I'M SORRY, I'M SORRY. THAT WAS THE LAST THING REALLY THAT WAS THE LAST THING REALLY SAID . SAID . >> ROSS SAID THE STRANGER >> ROSS SAID THE STRANGER PULLED OUT A GUN AND BEGAN PULLED OUT A GUN AND BEGAN FIRING MULTIPLE SHOTS. FIRING MULTIPLE SHOTS. THE CHEERLEADERS DRIVING OFF, THE CHEERLEADERS DRIVING OFF, FLEEING THE SCENE, TRYING FLEEING THE SCENE, TRYING TO GET TO SAFETY. TO GET TO SAFETY. >> WE WERE TRYING TO GET AWAY >> WE WERE TRYING TO GET AWAY AS FAST AS WE COULD. AS FAST AS WE COULD. ALL THE OTHER GIRLS WERE ALL THE OTHER GIRLS WERE SCREAMING . SCREAMING . I REALLY WAS JUST TELLING I REALLY WAS JUST TELLING MYSELF TO BREATHE. MYSELF TO BREATHE. >> IT WAS HARD TO BREATHE >> IT WAS HARD TO BREATHE BECAUSE MY DIAPHRAGM IT'S BECAUSE MY DIAPHRAGM IT'S SAFE TO SAY YOU DIDN'T SAFE TO SAY YOU DIDN'T ZOHREEN SHAH YOU . ZOHREEN SHAH YOU . >> NOT AT ALL. >> NOT AT ALL. I KNOW WITH A MAN OR A WOMAN, I KNOW WITH A MAN OR A WOMAN, WRATH WAS GRAZED BY A BULLET . WRATH WAS GRAZED BY A BULLET . WASHINGTON WAS SHOT WASHINGTON WAS SHOT THREE TIMES. THREE TIMES. >> I WAS TRYING TO STAY AS CALM >> I WAS TRYING TO STAY AS CALM AS POSSIBLE FOR THE OTHER AS POSSIBLE FOR THE OTHER PEOPLE IN THE CAR. PEOPLE IN THE CAR. I COULD TELL HOW SAD AND SCARED I COULD TELL HOW SAD AND SCARED THEY WERE. THEY WERE. THE MORE CALM YOU ARE LIKE THE MORE CALM YOU ARE LIKE YOUR BODY WILL STAY CALM YOUR BODY WILL STAY CALM AS WELL. AS WELL. SO, I MEAN, OF COURSE IT WAS SO, I MEAN, OF COURSE IT WAS SCARY, BUT I WAS I WASN'T GOING SCARY, BUT I WAS I WASN'T GOING TO ACT LIKE I WAS SCARED TO ACT LIKE I WAS SCARED TO YOUR SHOT AND YOU'RE KEEPING TO YOUR SHOT AND YOU'RE KEEPING EVERYONE ELSE CALL ME EVERYONE ELSE CALL ME WELL-TRIED. WELL-TRIED. >> I SAW BLOOD ON THE SEAT, >> I SAW BLOOD ON THE SEAT, MY PASSENGER SEAT . MY PASSENGER SEAT . SO I KNEW SOMEWHERE IT WAS SO I KNEW SOMEWHERE IT WAS BLEEDING. BLEEDING. RIGHT. RIGHT. SO MUCH ADRENALINE I DIDN'T SO MUCH ADRENALINE I DIDN'T REALLY KNOW WHERE. REALLY KNOW WHERE. AND THEN WHENEVER WE PULLED AND THEN WHENEVER WE PULLED OVER AND OVER THE YEARS, I GOT OVER AND OVER THE YEARS, I GOT TO THROW UP. TO THROW UP. AND THAT'S WHAT I LIKE. AND THAT'S WHAT I LIKE. I WAS THROWING UP BLOOD AND I WAS THROWING UP BLOOD AND I WAS LIKE, OKAY, THAT'S NOT I WAS LIKE, OKAY, THAT'S NOT NORMAL. NORMAL. SO THAT'S WHEN I KNEW SOMETHING SO THAT'S WHEN I KNEW SOMETHING SOMEWHERE WAS WRONG. SOMEWHERE WAS WRONG. >> A MEDEVAC HELICOPTER >> A MEDEVAC HELICOPTER TRANSFERRED WASHINGTON TO AN TRANSFERRED WASHINGTON TO AN AUSTIN AREA HOSPITAL WHERE SHE AUSTIN AREA HOSPITAL WHERE SHE WAS PLACED IN THE ICU IN WAS PLACED IN THE ICU IN CRITICAL CONDITION. CRITICAL CONDITION. >> WHERE WERE YOU SHOT? >> WHERE WERE YOU SHOT? MY RIGHT FOOT TWICE. MY RIGHT FOOT TWICE. AND THEN MY BACK IN IT SHOT AND THEN MY BACK IN IT SHOT THROUGH. THROUGH. I ONLY FELT PAIN IN MY LEFT I ONLY FELT PAIN IN MY LEFT ARM. ARM. I WAS LIKE, WHY IS MY ADSO LIKE I WAS LIKE, WHY IS MY ADSO LIKE ,WE DIDN'T EVEN WORK OUT THAT ,WE DIDN'T EVEN WORK OUT THAT HARD. HARD. >> LIKE, WHY IS IT HURTING? >> LIKE, WHY IS IT HURTING? AND DO YOU HAVE PERMANENT AND DO YOU HAVE PERMANENT DAMAGE? DAMAGE? >> YES, MY SPLEEN WAS >> YES, MY SPLEEN WAS SHATTERED. SHATTERED. MY STOMACH HAD TWO HOLES IN IT MY STOMACH HAD TWO HOLES IN IT AND MY DIAPHRAGM MATERIALS AND MY DIAPHRAGM MATERIALS AND THEN THEY HAD TO REMOVE AND THEN THEY HAD TO REMOVE A LOBE FROM MY PANCREAS. A LOBE FROM MY PANCREAS. >> I HAD THIRTY TWO STAPLES. >> I HAD THIRTY TWO STAPLES. DOCTORS WERE FORCED TO REMOVE DOCTORS WERE FORCED TO REMOVE HER SPLEEN. HER SPLEEN. WASHINGTON POSTED THESE WASHINGTON POSTED THESE PICTURES ONLINE OF HER INJURIES PICTURES ONLINE OF HER INJURIES AND INTENSE REHAB. AND INTENSE REHAB. >> THE HARDEST PART WAS AFTER >> THE HARDEST PART WAS AFTER SURGERIES. SURGERIES. HOW WAS IT TO HAVE TO LOOK HOW WAS IT TO HAVE TO LOOK AND GO? AND GO? I CAN'T DO SOME OF THE THINGS I CAN'T DO SOME OF THE THINGS THAT I USED TO DO AND I HAVE THAT I USED TO DO AND I HAVE TO BUILD MYSELF BACK . TO BUILD MYSELF BACK . KNOW I WAS IT WAS HARD LIKE IT KNOW I WAS IT WAS HARD LIKE IT HURTING TO WALK OR STAND HURTING TO WALK OR STAND IS REALLY WEIRD. IS REALLY WEIRD. WHEN BEFORE YOU WERE DOING WHEN BEFORE YOU WERE DOING A BUNCH OF FLIPS RUNNING A BUNCH OF FLIPS RUNNING A TRACK AND DOING LONG JUMP A TRACK AND DOING LONG JUMP AND ALL THIS STUFF CAN'T AND ALL THIS STUFF CAN'T GET OUT OF BED BY YOURSELF, GET OUT OF BED BY YOURSELF, CAN'T ROLL OFF THE COUCH, CAN'T CAN'T ROLL OFF THE COUCH, CAN'T STAND BY YOURSELF. STAND BY YOURSELF. GOING UP THE STAIRS. GOING UP THE STAIRS. I WOULD GET WINDED. I WOULD GET WINDED. JUST STUFF THAT YOU'VE NEVER JUST STUFF THAT YOU'VE NEVER THOUGHT OF BEFORE. THOUGHT OF BEFORE. IT WAS IT WAS HARD. IT WAS IT WAS HARD. >> AUTHORITIES TAKE ANY >> AUTHORITIES TAKE ANY ALLEGED GUNMAN INTO CUSTODY ALLEGED GUNMAN INTO CUSTODY AND CHARGING HIM WITH DEADLY AND CHARGING HIM WITH DEADLY CONDUCT, A THIRD DEGREE FELONY. CONDUCT, A THIRD DEGREE FELONY. THE INCIDENT IS STILL UNDER THE INCIDENT IS STILL UNDER INVESTIGATION AND THE POLICE INVESTIGATION AND THE POLICE HAVE NOT REVEALED IF HAVE NOT REVEALED IF THE SUSPECT HAD A MOTIVE. THE SUSPECT HAD A MOTIVE. >> THE SUSPECT WAS RELEASED >> THE SUSPECT WAS RELEASED ON ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND BAIL. ON ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND BAIL. >> WASHINGTON SAYS RIGHT NOW >> WASHINGTON SAYS RIGHT NOW SHE'S FOCUSED ON HER HEALTH SHE'S FOCUSED ON HER HEALTH AND FELLOW TEAMMATES THAT WERE AND FELLOW TEAMMATES THAT WERE IN THE CAR. IN THE CAR. >> HE DID WHAT HE DID, AND I'M >> HE DID WHAT HE DID, AND I'M JUST GOING TO TRY AND GET JUST GOING TO TRY AND GET THROUGH IT. THROUGH IT. THERE'S NO POINT IN ME REALLY THERE'S NO POINT IN ME REALLY THINKING ABOUT WHAT HE DID THINKING ABOUT WHAT HE DID AND WHAT, JUST FIVE WEEKS AFTER AND WHAT, JUST FIVE WEEKS AFTER BEING SHOT, WASHINGTON JOINED BEING SHOT, WASHINGTON JOINED HER FRIENDS AT GRADUATION, HER FRIENDS AT GRADUATION, THE 5.1 GPA NATIONAL HONOR THE 5.1 GPA NATIONAL HONOR STUDENT IS COMMITTED TO GETTING STUDENT IS COMMITTED TO GETTING HER LIFE BACK . HER LIFE BACK . THERE ARE SO MANY PEOPLE OUT THERE ARE SO MANY PEOPLE OUT THERE WHO MAYBE THIS IS THE THERE WHO MAYBE THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I SEE IN YOUR STORY. FIRST TIME I SEE IN YOUR STORY. >> WHAT DO YOU WANTED TO KNOW >> WHAT DO YOU WANTED TO KNOW ABOUT YOU AND THE STORY YOU CAN ABOUT YOU AND THE STORY YOU CAN LITERALLY DO ANYTHING IF LITERALLY DO ANYTHING IF YOU PUSH AND YOU PERSEVERE. YOU PUSH AND YOU PERSEVERE. >> DON'T DOUBT YOURSELF EVER, >> DON'T DOUBT YOURSELF EVER, BECAUSE YOU CAN DO ANYTHING BECAUSE YOU CAN DO ANYTHING AS LONG AS YOU'RE PUTTING AS LONG AS YOU'RE PUTTING YOUR ONE HUNDRED AND TWENTY YOUR ONE HUNDRED AND TWENTY PERCENT INTO IT. PERCENT INTO IT. >> COMMUNITY IN MIAMI IS TRYING >> COMMUNITY IN MIAMI IS TRYING TO SAVE ITSELF FROM BEING A NEW TO SAVE ITSELF FROM BEING A NEW DOCUMENTARY CALLED RAISING DOCUMENTARY CALLED RAISING LIBERTY SQUARE CHRONICLES LIBERTY SQUARE CHRONICLES PERSONAL STORIES OF RESIDENTS PERSONAL STORIES OF RESIDENTS FROM LIBERTY SQUARE AS THEY FROM LIBERTY SQUARE AS THEY LEARN ABOUT WHAT THREE HUNDRED LEARN ABOUT WHAT THREE HUNDRED MILLION DOLLAR REVITALIZATION MILLION DOLLAR REVITALIZATION PLAN WOULD DO TO THEIR PLAN WOULD DO TO THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD AND WHAT IS BEING NEIGHBORHOOD AND WHAT IS BEING CALLED THE NEWEST FORM OF CALLED THE NEWEST FORM OF RACIAL INJUSTICE. RACIAL INJUSTICE. AND CLIMATE GENTRIFICATION. AND CLIMATE GENTRIFICATION. >> LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT MIAMI. >> LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT MIAMI. IT'S GROUND ZERO FOR SEA LEVEL IT'S GROUND ZERO FOR SEA LEVEL RISE. RISE. WE ARE THE EXAMPLE OF CRIME WE ARE THE EXAMPLE OF CRIME AND GENTRIFICATION. AND GENTRIFICATION. WHEN I WAS A CHILD, WHEN I WAS A CHILD, MY GRANDFATHER ALWAYS WOULD SAY MY GRANDFATHER ALWAYS WOULD SAY THEY'RE GOING TO COME TAKE THEY'RE GOING TO COME TAKE LIBERTY CITY BECAUSE WE DON'T LIBERTY CITY BECAUSE WE DON'T FLY TO VALENCIA, GUNDA FLY TO VALENCIA, GUNDA AND CATIZONE. AND CATIZONE. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR >> THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US . JOINING US . I APPRECIATE IT. I APPRECIATE IT. IT'S AN IMPORTANT DOCUMENTARY. IT'S AN IMPORTANT DOCUMENTARY. BEFORE WE GET INTO BEFORE WE GET INTO THE QUESTIONS, I WOULD JUST THE QUESTIONS, I WOULD JUST LIKE BE HERE. LIKE BE HERE. CLIMATE GENTRIFICATION. CLIMATE GENTRIFICATION. >> WHAT IS THE BROAD DEFINITION >> WHAT IS THE BROAD DEFINITION OF CLIMATE GENTRIFICATION? OF CLIMATE GENTRIFICATION? SO EVERYBODY. SO EVERYBODY. YEAH, SO COMMON GENTRIFICATION. YEAH, SO COMMON GENTRIFICATION. THAT'S THE IMPACT OF THAT'S THE IMPACT OF THE CLIMATE CRISIS THAT THE CLIMATE CRISIS THAT IS DRIVING, YOU KNOW, HOUSING IS DRIVING, YOU KNOW, HOUSING RENT IN THE MARKET AND BUSINESS RENT IN THE MARKET AND BUSINESS MARKETS TO GO UP AND ACTUALLY MARKETS TO GO UP AND ACTUALLY DISPLACING COMMUNITIES DISPLACING COMMUNITIES AND CULTURE THAT WE'VE SEEN IN AND CULTURE THAT WE'VE SEEN IN MIAMI AND ALSO THE UNITED MIAMI AND ALSO THE UNITED STATES , ACTUALLY . STATES , ACTUALLY . >> OKAY, SO IN 2017, >> OKAY, SO IN 2017, THE REVITALIZATION THE REVITALIZATION PROJECT FIRST STARTED IN PROJECT FIRST STARTED IN LIBERTY SQUARE AS HOMES WERE LIBERTY SQUARE AS HOMES WERE BEING REPLACED BY THIS BEING REPLACED BY THIS DEVELOPMENT. DEVELOPMENT. YEP, I'M WONDERING, YOU FILMED YEP, I'M WONDERING, YOU FILMED ALONGSIDE RESIDENTS FOR ALONGSIDE RESIDENTS FOR FIVE YEARS WHAT DID YOU SEE FIVE YEARS WHAT DID YOU SEE THERE THAT WAS SO IMPORTANT THERE THAT WAS SO IMPORTANT TO BRING TO A BIGGER AUDIENCE? TO BRING TO A BIGGER AUDIENCE? >> WELL, I STARTED >> WELL, I STARTED ACTUALLY WITH A VERY HISTORICAL ACTUALLY WITH A VERY HISTORICAL INTEREST IN THIS. INTEREST IN THIS. IN THIS ONE OF THE OLDEST IN THIS ONE OF THE OLDEST PUBLIC HOUSING DEVELOPMENTS IN PUBLIC HOUSING DEVELOPMENTS IN THE UNITED STATES AND NOT JUST THE UNITED STATES AND NOT JUST AS A AS A EUROPEAN BORN IN AS A AS A EUROPEAN BORN IN GERMANY, I COULDN'T BELIEVE GERMANY, I COULDN'T BELIEVE THAT IT WOULD JUST BE SLATED THAT IT WOULD JUST BE SLATED COMPLETELY FOR DEMOLITION COMPLETELY FOR DEMOLITION AND WOULD DISAPPEAR. AND WOULD DISAPPEAR. SO I PICKED UP MY CAMERA AND I SO I PICKED UP MY CAMERA AND I WANTED TO PRESERVE SOMETHING. WANTED TO PRESERVE SOMETHING. AND THEN WHEN I STARTED STARTED AND THEN WHEN I STARTED STARTED TALKING TO PEOPLE, I LEARNED, TALKING TO PEOPLE, I LEARNED, WELL, ACTUALLY SITTING WELL, ACTUALLY SITTING ON THE HIGHEST AND DRIEST ON THE HIGHEST AND DRIEST GROUND IN MIAMI, AND IT TURNED GROUND IN MIAMI, AND IT TURNED INTO SOMETHING COMPLETELY, INTO SOMETHING COMPLETELY, COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THAN COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THAN EQUIVALENCY. EQUIVALENCY. >> YOU'VE GONE ON TO EDUCATE >> YOU'VE GONE ON TO EDUCATE YOUR COMMUNITY ABOUT CLIMATE YOUR COMMUNITY ABOUT CLIMATE GENTRIFICATION, AS WE JUST LAID GENTRIFICATION, AS WE JUST LAID OUT THE DEFINITION FOR TO SEEK OUT THE DEFINITION FOR TO SEEK JUSTICE. JUSTICE. >> SO LET'S TAKE A LOOK. >> SO LET'S TAKE A LOOK. SCIENTISTS SAY THAT WE CAN SCIENTISTS SAY THAT WE CAN EXPECT AROUND SIX FEET OF WATER EXPECT AROUND SIX FEET OF WATER OVER THE NEXT FEW DECADES. OVER THE NEXT FEW DECADES. PARK THE MIAMI BEACHES AT ZERO PARK THE MIAMI BEACHES AT ZERO FEET ABOVE SEA LEVEL. FEET ABOVE SEA LEVEL. >> BUT LIBERTY CITY SITS ON A >> BUT LIBERTY CITY SITS ON A RIDGE 12 FEET ABOVE SEA LEVEL. RIDGE 12 FEET ABOVE SEA LEVEL. OH, BECAUSE OF CLIMATE CHANGE, OH, BECAUSE OF CLIMATE CHANGE, THE SEA LEVEL RISE PEOPLE ARE THE SEA LEVEL RISE PEOPLE ARE MOVING INTO. MOVING INTO. OUR COMMUNITY IS SHIFTING OUR COMMUNITY IS SHIFTING PEOPLE OUT. PEOPLE OUT. >> YEAH. >> YEAH. SO THERE IT IS . SO THERE IT IS . AND HOW IMPORTANT IS IT FOR AND HOW IMPORTANT IS IT FOR YOU TO DO THAT? YOU TO DO THAT? WE ENDED UP DOING STARTING 2015 WE ENDED UP DOING STARTING 2015 WITH , YOU KNOW, START WITH , YOU KNOW, START COLLECTING DATA, FIGURING OUT COLLECTING DATA, FIGURING OUT THE SCIENCE OF WHAT IT'S REALLY THE SCIENCE OF WHAT IT'S REALLY GOING ON . GOING ON . AND ALTHOUGH THE PEOPLE OF AND ALTHOUGH THE PEOPLE OF MIAMI DIDN'T NECESSARILY HAVE MIAMI DIDN'T NECESSARILY HAVE THE TERMINOLOGY AND THE THE TERMINOLOGY AND THE SCIENCE, THEY WERE FEELING SCIENCE, THEY WERE FEELING THE IMPACTS OF CLIMATE THE IMPACTS OF CLIMATE GENTRIFICATION. GENTRIFICATION. SO WHEN I STEPPED OUT THERE SO WHEN I STEPPED OUT THERE TO START EDUCATED PEOPLE TO START EDUCATED PEOPLE ON CLIMATE GENTRIFICATION, IT ON CLIMATE GENTRIFICATION, IT WAS, YOU KNOW, A SET WAS, YOU KNOW, A SET IMMEDIATELY. IMMEDIATELY. PEOPLE LIKE, YES, WE'VE BEEN PEOPLE LIKE, YES, WE'VE BEEN FEELING THIS FOR A LONG TIME FEELING THIS FOR A LONG TIME AND WHAT CAN WE DO? AND WHAT CAN WE DO? >> TALK TO ME ABOUT >> TALK TO ME ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF HIGHER THE IMPORTANCE OF HIGHER GROUND, LITERALLY, GROUND, LITERALLY, AND SECRETIVELY. AND SECRETIVELY. YEAH, I MEAN, IT'S TRUE. YEAH, I MEAN, IT'S TRUE. IT'S FOR ME, YOU KNOW WHAT IT'S FOR ME, YOU KNOW WHAT THEY CALL US , LEATHERFACE, IN THEY CALL US , LEATHERFACE, IN COMMUNITIES LIKE LIBERTY CITY, COMMUNITIES LIKE LIBERTY CITY, LITTLE HAITI, COMMUNITY LITTLE HAITI, COMMUNITY BY LITTLE HAVANA BY LITTLE HAVANA AND ALLAPATTAH, ALL BLACK , AND ALLAPATTAH, ALL BLACK , BROWN , WORKING CLASS, BROWN , WORKING CLASS, UNDER-RESOURCED COMMUNITIES. UNDER-RESOURCED COMMUNITIES. WE WERE PUSHED TO THIS WE WERE PUSHED TO THIS COMMUNITY AND IT JUST SO COMMUNITY AND IT JUST SO HAPPENED THAT IT DOESN'T FLOW HAPPENED THAT IT DOESN'T FLOW RIGHT. RIGHT. SO THE THING IS , IS THAT WE SO THE THING IS , IS THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO DEAL DON'T HAVE TO DEAL WITH FLOODING. WITH FLOODING. THE BAD THING IS EVERYBODY THE BAD THING IS EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT. KNOWS THAT. SO THEY WANT TO COME TAKE IT. SO THEY WANT TO COME TAKE IT. YOU KNOW, HOW YOU GRAB YOU KNOW, HOW YOU GRAB IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE PEOPLE IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE PEOPLE WOULD NEED A PLACE TO RETREAT. WOULD NEED A PLACE TO RETREAT. BUT UNFORTUNATELY, WE KNOW THAT BUT UNFORTUNATELY, WE KNOW THAT THE MOST VULNERABLE POPULATIONS THE MOST VULNERABLE POPULATIONS WON'T BE ALLOWED TO STAY THERE. WON'T BE ALLOWED TO STAY THERE. AND THAT'S WHY WE'VE BEEN AND THAT'S WHY WE'VE BEEN CALLED INTO ACTION. CALLED INTO ACTION. THIS FILM QUESTIONS WHO'S IN THIS FILM QUESTIONS WHO'S IN CHARGE OF THE LAND THEME CHARGE OF THE LAND THEME THROUGH IT? THROUGH IT? IS THERE AN ANSWER? IS THERE AN ANSWER? UH, NO. UH, NO. THERE'S THERE'S NO ANSWER. THERE'S THERE'S NO ANSWER. I MEAN, WHAT I REALLY WANT I MEAN, WHAT I REALLY WANT TO DO WITH OUR FILM IS TO START TO DO WITH OUR FILM IS TO START A CONVERSATION, YOU KNOW, ABOUT A CONVERSATION, YOU KNOW, ABOUT THOSE QUESTIONS AND ALSO START THOSE QUESTIONS AND ALSO START A CONVERSATION BETWEEN AN A CONVERSATION BETWEEN AN AFFORDABLE HOUSE HOUSING AFFORDABLE HOUSE HOUSING MOVEMENT AND CLIMATE MOVEMENTS MOVEMENT AND CLIMATE MOVEMENTS AND REALLY MAKE A POINT THAT AND REALLY MAKE A POINT THAT THEY INTERSECT, YOU KNOW, SO THEY INTERSECT, YOU KNOW, SO BUT NO, I DON'T HAVE THE ANSWER BUT NO, I DON'T HAVE THE ANSWER . . RIGHT. RIGHT. BUT IT'S THOUGHT PROVOKING BUT IT'S THOUGHT PROVOKING AND THAT'S THAT GETS AND THAT'S THAT GETS CONVERSATION STARTED. CONVERSATION STARTED. AND THAT'S THAT'S WHAT THIS AND THAT'S THAT'S WHAT THIS DOES. DOES. AND IT'S VERY IMPORTANT. AND IT'S VERY IMPORTANT. THANK YOU BOTH. THANK YOU BOTH. YOU VALENCIA, FOR STOPPING IN YOU VALENCIA, FOR STOPPING IN AND TELLING US ABOUT THIS. AND TELLING US ABOUT THIS. APPRECIATE IT. APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU . THANK YOU . YOU CAN FIND MORE ABOUT YOU CAN FIND MORE ABOUT THE FILM AND SCREENINGS AT THE FILM AND SCREENINGS AT RAISING LIBERTY SQUARE DOG. RAISING LIBERTY SQUARE DOG. >> IT'S A FIRST OF ITS KIND >> IT'S A FIRST OF ITS KIND SINGING COMPETITION. SINGING COMPETITION. AUDIBLE'S BREAKTHROUGH HAS AUDIBLE'S BREAKTHROUGH HAS BURST ONTO THE SCENE WITH THE BURST ONTO THE SCENE WITH THE FIRST EVER AUDIO ONLY SERIES FIRST EVER AUDIO ONLY SERIES THAT INVITES LISTENERS ON A THAT INVITES LISTENERS ON A JOURNEY THAT DOESN'T MATTER JOURNEY THAT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT YOU LOOK LIKE, JUST WHAT YOU LOOK LIKE, JUST HOW YOU SOUND. HOW YOU SOUND. >> LET'S LISTEN. >> LET'S LISTEN. >> TAI HERNANDEZ. >> TAI HERNANDEZ. IT FELT LIKE YOU WERE TALKING IT FELT LIKE YOU WERE TALKING TO YOURSELF LIKE AS IF YOU WERE TO YOURSELF LIKE AS IF YOU WERE IN A MIRROR. IN A MIRROR. >> YEAH, YEAH. >> YEAH, YEAH. I FELT THAT SAME EXPERIENCE OF I FELT THAT SAME EXPERIENCE OF IT. IT. >> I FELT LIKE A PRAYER. >> I FELT LIKE A PRAYER. >> OUR OWN LINSEY DAVIS SAT >> OUR OWN LINSEY DAVIS SAT DOWN WITH FOUR TIME GRAMMY DOWN WITH FOUR TIME GRAMMY AWARD WINNING SINGER SONGWRITER AWARD WINNING SINGER SONGWRITER AND ACTRESS KELLY ROWLAND AND ACTRESS KELLY ROWLAND TO DISCUSS HER ROLE AS A JUDGE TO DISCUSS HER ROLE AS A JUDGE AND MENTOR ON THE SERIES AND MENTOR ON THE SERIES ALONGSIDE GRAMMY WINNER ALONGSIDE GRAMMY WINNER SARA BIRRELL'S AND GRAMMY SARA BIRRELL'S AND GRAMMY AND TONY WINNING HOST AND TONY WINNING HOST DAVID DIG'S FIRST SINGING DAVID DIG'S FIRST SINGING COMPETITION EVER FOR A PODCAST. COMPETITION EVER FOR A PODCAST. WHAT ATTRACTED YOU TO THIS WHAT ATTRACTED YOU TO THIS PROJECT ? PROJECT ? EXACTLY WHAT YOU JUST SAID . EXACTLY WHAT YOU JUST SAID . THE FIRST SINGING COMPETITION THE FIRST SINGING COMPETITION ON A PODCAST. ON A PODCAST. IT WAS SO COOL HOW THIS HAS IT WAS SO COOL HOW THIS HAS NEVER BEEN DONE AND THE WHOLE NEVER BEEN DONE AND THE WHOLE IDEA OF IT. IDEA OF IT. >> SARA BURRELL, OF COURSE, >> SARA BURRELL, OF COURSE, IS ALONG ON THE RIDE WITH ME IS ALONG ON THE RIDE WITH ME AND DAVEED DIGGS. AND DAVEED DIGGS. WE HAD A REALLY GOOD TIME. WE HAD A REALLY GOOD TIME. IT WAS GETTING TO KNOW THESE IT WAS GETTING TO KNOW THESE CONTESTANTS AND NOT NECESSARILY CONTESTANTS AND NOT NECESSARILY JUDGING THEM AS MUCH AS IT WAS JUDGING THEM AS MUCH AS IT WAS MENTORING THEM. MENTORING THEM. AND EACH WEEK GOING THROUGH AND EACH WEEK GOING THROUGH DIFFERENT CHALLENGES AND SEEING DIFFERENT CHALLENGES AND SEEING HOW THEY COME OUT AND AS HOW THEY COME OUT AND AS YOU CAN IMAGINE, IT LEFT YOU CAN IMAGINE, IT LEFT YOU WITH A LOT OF IMAGINATION YOU WITH A LOT OF IMAGINATION AND WONDERING WHAT THEY LOOK AND WONDERING WHAT THEY LOOK LIKE. LIKE. >> YOU DON'T HAVE THE EYE CANDY >> YOU DON'T HAVE THE EYE CANDY AND THE DISTRACTION. AND THE DISTRACTION. >> ABSOLUTELY. >> ABSOLUTELY. AND THE MOST INTERESTING THING AND THE MOST INTERESTING THING TO ME IS BECAUSE THERE ARE NO TO ME IS BECAUSE THERE ARE NO DISTRACTIONS, NO LIGHTS, NO DISTRACTIONS, NO LIGHTS, NO CAMERAS, NO THIS OR THAT OR CAMERAS, NO THIS OR THAT OR ANYTHING. ANYTHING. IT'S JUST LISTENING. IT'S JUST LISTENING. >> THANK FOR. >> THANK FOR. MY GOODNESS. MY GOODNESS. YES. YES. IT FELT LIKE YOU WERE TALKING IT FELT LIKE YOU WERE TALKING TO YOURSELF LIKE IF YOU WERE IN TO YOURSELF LIKE IF YOU WERE IN A MIRROR. A MIRROR. >> YEAH. >> YEAH. YEAH. YEAH. I FELT THAT I HAD THAT I FELT THAT I HAD THAT SAME EXPERIENCE OF IT AND FELT SAME EXPERIENCE OF IT AND FELT LIKE A PRAYER. LIKE A PRAYER. >> HOW DO YOU MAKE THAT >> HOW DO YOU MAKE THAT DISTINCTION BETWEEN BEING DISTINCTION BETWEEN BEING MORE OF A MENTOR THAN A JUDGE? MORE OF A MENTOR THAN A JUDGE? BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, AT THE END BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, AT THE END YOU'RE NOT JUST LIKE THIS WAS YOU'RE NOT JUST LIKE THIS WAS GREAT AND THIS WAS, YOU KNOW GREAT AND THIS WAS, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? WHAT I MEAN? AND YOU'RE NOT, LIKE, BADGERING AND YOU'RE NOT, LIKE, BADGERING THEM AS MUCH AS YOU ARE. THEM AS MUCH AS YOU ARE. WHAT MADE YOU THINK OF THIS WHAT MADE YOU THINK OF THIS SONG AND WHY DID YOU WANT TO DO SONG AND WHY DID YOU WANT TO DO IT? IT? AND IS THERE A EMOTIONAL AND IS THERE A EMOTIONAL CONNECTION TO THIS SONG OR CONNECTION TO THIS SONG OR SOME OF OF COURSE, OUR ARTISTS SOME OF OF COURSE, OUR ARTISTS ARE WRITERS. ARE WRITERS. >> SO IT'S LIKE, WELL, WHERE >> SO IT'S LIKE, WELL, WHERE DID YOU GET THIS CONCEPT FROM? DID YOU GET THIS CONCEPT FROM? IT FEELS QUITE ANCESTRAL. IT FEELS QUITE ANCESTRAL. IT NEEDS TO BE ROOTED WITH JUST IT NEEDS TO BE ROOTED WITH JUST SIMPLE, SIMPLE ELEMENTS. SIMPLE, SIMPLE ELEMENTS. >> IT'S THINGS LIKE THAT THAT >> IT'S THINGS LIKE THAT THAT ARE JUST GETTING TO KNOW ARE JUST GETTING TO KNOW THE ARTIST, EVEN MORE THAN JUST THE ARTIST, EVEN MORE THAN JUST SEEING THEM. SEEING THEM. DO YOU THINK THAT THIS RESULTS DO YOU THINK THAT THIS RESULTS IN A MORE PURE AND WHOLESOME IN A MORE PURE AND WHOLESOME FORM OF SUCCESS OR CELEBRITY? FORM OF SUCCESS OR CELEBRITY? BECAUSE OFTEN IT IS THE BECAUSE OFTEN IT IS THE PACKAGING, RIGHT? PACKAGING, RIGHT? CAN YOU DANCE AND HOW DO CAN YOU DANCE AND HOW DO YOU LOOK AT YOUR BODY TYPE YOU LOOK AT YOUR BODY TYPE AND ALL THAT? AND ALL THAT? AND THIS IS JUST TALENT. AND THIS IS JUST TALENT. THIS IS JUST TALENT. THIS IS JUST TALENT. AND I THINK THAT IT'S A PLUS. AND I THINK THAT IT'S A PLUS. I THINK THAT IT'S IT'S ALSO I THINK THAT IT'S IT'S ALSO SOMETHING THAT I THINK A LOT OF SOMETHING THAT I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE DO MORE OFTEN THAN PEOPLE DO MORE OFTEN THAN THEY REALIZE. THEY REALIZE. BECAUSE IF YOU THINK ABOUT BECAUSE IF YOU THINK ABOUT HOW PEOPLE ARE DISCOVERING HOW PEOPLE ARE DISCOVERING MUSIC WITH STREAMING MUSIC WITH STREAMING AND EVERYTHING, THEY PROBABLY AND EVERYTHING, THEY PROBABLY DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ARTIST DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ARTIST LOOKS LIKE. LOOKS LIKE. THEY'RE LISTENING. THEY'RE LISTENING. IF THEY CATCH A VIBE OR CATCH IF THEY CATCH A VIBE OR CATCH A VIBE, THEY STREAM THE ARTISTS A VIBE, THEY STREAM THE ARTISTS AND THEY START TO FOLLOW THEM. AND THEY START TO FOLLOW THEM. THIS IS LIKE AN OPPORTUNITY THIS IS LIKE AN OPPORTUNITY TO JUST KIND OF LEAN INTO THAT TO JUST KIND OF LEAN INTO THAT EVEN MORE WHEN IT COMES EVEN MORE WHEN IT COMES TO DISCOVERING THESE ARTISTS. TO DISCOVERING THESE ARTISTS. SOMEONE WILL LISTEN TO THE SHOW SOMEONE WILL LISTEN TO THE SHOW . . THEY'LL LEAN INTO ONE OF THEY'LL LEAN INTO ONE OF OUR ARTISTS AND WANT TO FOLLOW OUR ARTISTS AND WANT TO FOLLOW THEM, WANT TO FOLLOW THEM, WANT TO FOLLOW THEIR CAREERS AND WANT THEIR CAREERS AND WANT TO SUPPORT THEM. TO SUPPORT THEM. >> OH, OH, YEAH. >> OH, OH, YEAH. SINCE YOU'VE BEEN HERE, SINCE YOU'VE BEEN HERE, YOU LITERALLY KEEP CLIMBING. YOU LITERALLY KEEP CLIMBING. >> YOU KEEP GROWING. >> YOU KEEP GROWING. THERE'S DESPERATION AT THERE'S DESPERATION AT SOMETHING IN THIS SONG. SOMETHING IN THIS SONG. >> YOU HAVE SO MANY PROJECTS, >> YOU HAVE SO MANY PROJECTS, OBVIOUSLY, AND THERE ARE SO OBVIOUSLY, AND THERE ARE SO MANY DIFFERENT HATS. MANY DIFFERENT HATS. IS MUSIC STILL YOUR PASSION? IS MUSIC STILL YOUR PASSION? >> YES. >> YES. LOVE MUSIC. LOVE MUSIC. IT'S WHY I'M TALKING TO YOU IT'S WHY I'M TALKING TO YOU TODAY. TODAY. WHEN YOU IMAGINE WHEN YOU IMAGINE YOUR BREAKTHROUGH MOMENT, YOUR BREAKTHROUGH MOMENT, WHAT'S THE MOMENT THAT WHAT'S THE MOMENT THAT YOU IMAGINE? YOU IMAGINE? I REMEMBER SINGING CLIMB EVERY I REMEMBER SINGING CLIMB EVERY MOUNTAIN AT SCHOOL AND I MOUNTAIN AT SCHOOL AND I REMEMBER WHAT IT FELT LIKE REMEMBER WHAT IT FELT LIKE ON THAT STAGE. ON THAT STAGE. I REMEMBER WHAT IT FELT LIKE I REMEMBER WHAT IT FELT LIKE TO SING EVERY NOTE. TO SING EVERY NOTE. I REMEMBER WHAT THE AUDIENCE I REMEMBER WHAT THE AUDIENCE LOOKED LIKE. LOOKED LIKE. I REMEMBER SAYING TO MYSELF, I REMEMBER SAYING TO MYSELF, THIS IS WHAT I WANT TO DO. THIS IS WHAT I WANT TO DO. HOW OLD ARE YOU ? HOW OLD ARE YOU ? I'M SAYING I WAS EIGHT , I'M SAYING I WAS EIGHT , EIGHT OR NINE . EIGHT OR NINE . BUT BEFORE THAT IT WAS WHEN BUT BEFORE THAT IT WAS WHEN I SAW I KNEW I WANTED TO SING I SAW I KNEW I WANTED TO SING WHEN I SAW WHITNEY HOUSTON, BUT WHEN I SAW WHITNEY HOUSTON, BUT I KNEW THAT I HAD A VOICE AT I KNEW THAT I HAD A VOICE AT LIKE EIGHT OR NINE . LIKE EIGHT OR NINE . >> HOW ARE YOU ABLE TO TAKE >> HOW ARE YOU ABLE TO TAKE YOUR OWN MUSIC CAREER AND HELP YOUR OWN MUSIC CAREER AND HELP MENTOR AN UP AND COMING ARTIST? MENTOR AN UP AND COMING ARTIST? OH, MY GOODNESS. OH, MY GOODNESS. I THINK ABOUT THE MOMENTS I THINK ABOUT THE MOMENTS I WISH SOMEBODY WOULD HAVE I WISH SOMEBODY WOULD HAVE PULLED ME TO THE SIDE AND SAID PULLED ME TO THE SIDE AND SAID ,TRUST YOUR INSTINCTS OR ,TRUST YOUR INSTINCTS OR THE ADVICE I WOULD HAVE GIVEN THE ADVICE I WOULD HAVE GIVEN MY YOUNGER SELF IF I WERE DOING MY YOUNGER SELF IF I WERE DOING SOMETHING LIKE BREAKTHROUGH SOMETHING LIKE BREAKTHROUGH OUTWORK EVERYBODY, OUTWORK OUTWORK EVERYBODY, OUTWORK EVERYBODY PUT IN THE WORK. EVERYBODY PUT IN THE WORK. AND THEN WHEN YOU'RE FINALLY AND THEN WHEN YOU'RE FINALLY READY FOR THE PERFORMANCE, GO , READY FOR THE PERFORMANCE, GO , GO . GO . ABSOLUTELY. ABSOLUTELY. I'M LIKE, YOU HAVE NOTHING I'M LIKE, YOU HAVE NOTHING TO LOSE. TO LOSE. I THINK THAT WHEN YOU PERFORM I THINK THAT WHEN YOU PERFORM OR EVERY TIME YOU PERFORM, OR EVERY TIME YOU PERFORM, I KNOW I WAS TAUGHT EVEN AS A I KNOW I WAS TAUGHT EVEN AS A KID. KID. WHEN YOU PERFORM, YOU DO IT WHEN YOU PERFORM, YOU DO IT LIKE IT'S YOUR LAST AND EVER. LIKE IT'S YOUR LAST AND EVER. SO THAT WAY YOU GET EVERYTHING SO THAT WAY YOU GET EVERYTHING OUT, YOU GET ALL OF OUT, YOU GET ALL OF THE EXCITEMENT AND EVERYTHING THE EXCITEMENT AND EVERYTHING OUT. OUT. AND WHEN YOU COME OFF OF IT, AND WHEN YOU COME OFF OF IT, IT'S LIKE THAT FEELING YOU GAVE IT'S LIKE THAT FEELING YOU GAVE IT YOUR ALL. IT YOUR ALL. >> YEAH, I LIKE IT, BUT IT'S >> YEAH, I LIKE IT, BUT IT'S A PRIDE IN IT, YOU KNOW, A PRIDE IN IT, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE YOU'VE WORKED SO HARD BECAUSE YOU'VE WORKED SO HARD FOR IT. FOR IT. SO I'D SAY GO HAND EVERYBODY. SO I'D SAY GO HAND EVERYBODY. I ALWAYS WANT TO KNOW, LIKE I ALWAYS WANT TO KNOW, LIKE WHEN IS THE NEXT ALBUM GOING WHEN IS THE NEXT ALBUM GOING TO COME, WHEN AND WHEN CAN TO COME, WHEN AND WHEN CAN THEY EXPECT NEW MUSIC TO DROP THEY EXPECT NEW MUSIC TO DROP SOON. SOON. THAT'S ALL I CAN SAY IS SO IT'S THAT'S ALL I CAN SAY IS SO IT'S GOING TO BE A SURPRISE, THOUGH, GOING TO BE A SURPRISE, THOUGH, RIGHT? RIGHT? IT'S GOING TO BE JUST I REALLY IT'S GOING TO BE JUST I REALLY LIKE IT TO BE A SURPRISE. LIKE IT TO BE A SURPRISE. I FEEL LIKE THERE'S SO MUCH I FEEL LIKE THERE'S SO MUCH THAT EVERYONE KNOWS ALREADY. THAT EVERYONE KNOWS ALREADY. LIKE I LIKE THE IDEA OF LIKE I LIKE THE IDEA OF SPONTANEITY AND MYSTERY WHEN IT SPONTANEITY AND MYSTERY WHEN IT COMES TO MUSIC. COMES TO MUSIC. I REMEMBER ARTISTS RELEASING I REMEMBER ARTISTS RELEASING SONGS IN A TIME WHERE IT WAS SONGS IN A TIME WHERE IT WAS JUST LIKE, OH, MY GOD, JUST LIKE, OH, MY GOD, THEY'RE DROPPING TOMORROW. THEY'RE DROPPING TOMORROW. LIKE, THAT'S THAT'S FUN. LIKE, THAT'S THAT'S FUN. THAT'S EXCITING. THAT'S EXCITING. AND , YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING ELSE AND , YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING ELSE . . >> SO WHY NOT ONE LITTLE >> SO WHY NOT ONE LITTLE SURPRISE ANY SURPRISE MUSIC SURPRISE ANY SURPRISE MUSIC FROM KELLY IS GOING TO BE FROM KELLY IS GOING TO BE A PLEASANT SURPRISE. A PLEASANT SURPRISE. LINSEY DAVIS, THANK YOU FOR LINSEY DAVIS, THANK YOU FOR THAT. THAT. BREAKTHROUGH IS NOW AVAILABLE BREAKTHROUGH IS NOW AVAILABLE AND AUDIBLE OR WHEREVER AND AUDIBLE OR WHEREVER YOU LISTEN TO PODCASTS. YOU LISTEN TO PODCASTS. THAT'S OUR SHOW FOR TONIGHT. THAT'S OUR SHOW FOR TONIGHT. I'M PHIL LIPOF "ABC NEWS LIVE" I'M PHIL LIPOF "ABC NEWS LIVE" IS HERE FOR YOU ALL NIGHT IS HERE FOR YOU ALL NIGHT WITH THE LATEST NEWS, CONTEXT WITH THE LATEST NEWS, CONTEXT AND ANALYSIS. AND ANALYSIS. >> AND OF COURSE, YOU CAN >> AND OF COURSE, YOU CAN ALWAYS FIND US ON HULU, ROKU IN ALWAYS FIND US ON HULU, ROKU IN THE ABC NEWS APP THE ABC NEWS APP AND ABCNEWS.COM