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ED, GOOD AFTERNOON.
EVERYONE.
I'M KYRA PHILLIPS.
TODAY ON "ABC NEWS LIVE"
NEW DRAMATIC TESTIMONY IN
THE TRIAL OF ALEX MURDOCH.
WHAT AN EMERGENCY RESPONDERS
SAYS THE DISGRACED LAWYER TOLD
HIM WHEN HE ARRIVED AT
THE SCENE OF THE DOUBLE MURDERS
AND THE NEW ECONOMIC REPORT
CARD FOR OUR NATION.
WHAT IT SHOWS ABOUT FOURTH
QUARTER GROWTH AS FAMILIES
GRAPPLE WITH HIGH INTEREST
RATES AND SOARING PRICES.
PLUS, SHOCKING NEW CLAIMS
INVOLVING THE TEACHER ALLEGEDLY
SHOT BY A SIX YEAR OLD STUDENT.
SCHOOL ADMINISTRATORS NOW
ACCUSED OF IGNORING REPEATED
WARNINGS FROM STAFFERS.
BUT WE DO BEGIN WITH THAT
DRAMATIC NEW TESTIMONY IN
THE TRIAL SURROUNDING A DOUBLE
MURDER IN A POWERFUL SOUTH
CAROLINA LEGAL DYNASTY.
THE COURT NOW ON A LUNCH BREAK.
WE WILL BRING IT BACK LIVE
AS THE PROCEEDINGS RESUME.
BUT EARLIER, SERGEANT DANIEL
GREEN , DETECTIVE, THE CLAYTON
COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE TODAY
BECOMING THE FIRST WITNESS
CALLED IN THE TRIAL OF MURDOCH
THAT DISGRACED, DISGRACED
ATTORNEY ACCUSED OF KILLING HIS
WIFE AND SON.
GREEN WAS THE FIRST TO RESPOND
TO THE SCENE OF THE MURDERS
AND TOOK THE STAND DESCRIBING
THOSE MOMENTS THAT HE FIRST
SPOKE WITH .
MURDOCH SAYS HE FOUND
THE BODIES OF HIS WIFE,
MAGGIE , AND SON PAUL .
>> YOU ULTIMATELY HAD
A CONVERSATION WITH MR. MURDOCH
FOR EXTENDED A FAIRLY EXTENDED
PERIOD OF TIME, IS THAT
CORRECT?
THAT'S CORRECT.
>> DID YOU EVER SEE ANY TEARS
IN YOUR INTERACTIONS,
MR. MURDAUGH?
>> HE DID NOT APPEAR TO BE
CRYING.
HE WAS UPSET, BUT I DID NOT SEE
ANY VISIBLE TEARS.
>> DID MR. MURDOCH TELL YOU
THAT HE HAD ANY SORT OF
FIREARM?
>> HE DID.
HE STATED THAT HE HAD LEFT FROM
THAT SCENE, WENT TO THE
RESIDENCE, GRABBED A SHOTGUN
FROM THAT RESIDENCE, AND THEN
BROUGHT IT BACK BECAUSE HE FELT
LIKE HE NEEDED TO HAVE IT JUST
IN CASE SOMETHING ELSE WERE
TO HAPPEN.
>> HE TOLD YOU HE HAD GONE
BACK TO THE RESIDENCE AFTER
FINDING THE VICTIMS TO GET THAT
GUN?
>> HE DID.
>> WHAT, IF ANYTHING, DID YOU
DO ONCE HE TOLD YOU THAT HE HAD
GOTTEN A GUN?
>> FIRST HE POINTED TO OR
POINTED OUT WHERE THE GUN WAS
WAS LEANING AGAINST THE VEHICLE
THAT HE WAS DRIVING AT
THE TIME.
I COULD SEE THAT IT WAS
A CAMOUFLAGED SHOTGUN.
>> I SPOKE TO THEM FOR A FEW
MORE MINUTES AND JUST BASED OFF
OF HOW NERVOUS HE WAS ACTING
AND ANXIOUS AND UPSET,
I DECIDED IT WAS IN EVERYONE'S
BEST INTEREST TO GET THAT
SHOTGUN AND SECURE IN
MY VEHICLE SO THAT NO ONE ELSE
HAD ACCESS TO IT.
>> MURDOCH IS ACCUSED OF
SHOOTING AND KILLING HIS WIFE
AND YOUNGEST SON IN JUNE OF
2020 ONE .
HE HAS PLEADED NOT GUILTY
TO THE MURDERS, BUT ADMITS HE
TRIED TO STAGE HIS OWN MURDER
JUST MONTHS LATER SO HIS
SURVIVING SON COULD COLLECT
THE INSURANCE PAYOUT.
FOR MORE , LET'S BRING IN
ATTORNEY BRIAN BUCKMEIER,
ABC NEWS CONTRIBUTOR, ALSO HOST
OF LONG CRIME NETWORK.
SO, BRIAN , THAT SOME PRETTY
COMPELLING TESTIMONY FROM
THE FIRST WITNESS, THAT
RESPONDING OFFICER, SERGEANT
DANIEL GREEN , WHAT DO YOU
THINK?
>> WAS IT ?
IT'S COMPELLING.
I THINK DEFENSE ATTORNEY MAYBE
GOING TO TURN OUT TO SOMETHING
THAT WORKS FOR WHAT I WOULD
EXPECT IS THE DEFENSE ATTORNEYS
SAYING, YOU'VE NEVER MET
ALEX MURDAUGH BEFORE.
YOU DON'T KNOW HOW HE GRIEVES.
YOU DON'T KNOW HOW HE CRIES.
YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT HIS
RESPONSE WOULD BE UPON COMING
ACROSS HIS WIFE AND SON
BRUTALLY MURDERED THIS WAY.
NOW, INITIALLY, OF COURSE, IT
LOOKS BAD.
WHY WOULDN'T SHE BE CRYING?
WE'RE SEEING HIM CRYING IN
COURT AS WE'RE JUST TALKING
ABOUT THIS.
SO I THINK FOR THE PROSECUTION
,THEY'RE KIND OF LEADING
THE WAY HERE IN TERMS OF
PROVING THEIR CASE.
BUT THAT'S TO BE EXPECTED.
WHEN THEY PUT ON THEIR FIRST
WITNESS, THEY GET TO DICTATE
HOW THEIR CASE IN CHIEF WORKS
IS FOR THE DEFENSE TO KIND OF
HACK AWAY AT LITTLE BY LITTLE.
>> SO AS YOU SAW,
THE PROSECUTION WAS ASKING
GREENE ABOUT HIS FIRST MOMENT,
SPEAKING WITH MURDOCH AT
THE SCENE OF THE MURDERS.
LET'S TAKE A LISTEN TO WHAT HE
DESCRIBED.
>> WHEN YOU ULTIMATELY APPROACH
MR. MURDOCH, WHAT'S THE FIRST
THING THAT YOU DID?
THE FIRST THING I DID WAS
ENSURE THAT HE DID NOT HAVE ANY
WEAPONS ON HIM.
THAT'S STANDARD PROCEDURE FOR
ARRIVING ON SCENE LIKE THAT.
ANY KIND OF WEAPONS THAT ARE
ANYWHERE ON THE SCENE I WANT
TO BE AWARE OF JUST SO I CAN
KNOW WHETHER THEY'RE THERE OR
NOT.
AND IF THEY ARE THERE, WHO HAS
ACCESS TO HIM AT ANY POINT?
JUST THE BEST FOR MY SAFETY,
AS WELL AS OTHER RESPONDING
OFFICERS AND FOR ANYONE ELSE
THAT'S ON THE MR. MURDAUGH
GIVE YOU ANY POSSIBLE
EXPLANATION FOR THIS?
WHEN YOU APPROACHED HIM, HIS
IMMEDIATE REACTION WAS TO START
TELLING ME ABOUT AN INCIDENT
THAT HAD HAPPENED WITH HIS
SON WITH A BOATING ACCIDENT,
THE BOATING ACCIDENT, SIR.
>> HAD YOU ASKED HIM ANYTHING
ABOUT THAT?
I DID NOT.
WELL, BRIAN , BODY CAM FOOTAGE
FROM THE DAY OF THE MURDERS
PRESENTED IN COURT ALSO SHOWED
MURDOCH SPEAKING WITH OFFICERS,
TELLING THEM THAT HIS THEN
PAUL WAS GETTING THREATS
AND GETTING PUNISHED FOR HIS
INVOLVEMENT IN THAT BOAT CRASH
IN 2019 THAT KILLED MALLORY
BEACH.
THIS JUST KEEPS GETTING
MORE INTRICATE AND DIFFICULT
AND A LOT OF THINGS TO FOLLOW.
BUT WHY DO YOU THINK
THE PROSECUTION WAS HONING IN
ON THAT SPECIFIC?
SO I THINK THE PROSECUTION
IS GOING TO PAINT THE PICTURE.
THIS IS A MAN THAT'S TRYING
TO DISTRACT AND POINT
THE FINGER AWAY FROM HIM.
THAT ALEX MURDAUGH IS A
SEASONED PROSECUTOR AND SO WAS
HIS FATHER.
SO WAS HIS FATHER AND HIS
FATHER BEFORE THAT.
SO THEY'RE TRYING TO SHOW THAT
HE'S CRAFTY ENOUGH THAT AFTER
MURDERING HIS WIFE, AND SON,
THAT HE WOULD THEN TRY TO THROW
THIS INVESTIGATION OFF OF HIM.
TO KIND OF SUGGEST, HEY, I JUST
GOT HERE.
MAYBE THIS IS WHY THEY'RE
MURDERED IN THIS FASHION.
SOMEONE WHO MADE A THREAT IN
THE PAST MUST HAVE MADE GOOD
ON THEIR WORD.
I THINK THE PROSECUTION
IS PUTTING THAT FORWARD
TO CREATE THAT NARRATIVE,
TO TRY TO PROVE THEIR CASE.
SO GREEN ALSO TESTIFIED THAT HE
ASKED MURDOCH ABOUT THE NUMBER
OF TIRE TRACKS THAT HE NOTICED
AROUND THE BODIES, NOTING THERE
WERE MORE THAN WHAT WOULD
APPEAR IF MURDOCH WAS THE ONLY
PERSON DRIVING UP TO THE SCENE.
SO WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THAT?
NOW?
I THINKING GO ACTUALLY BOTH
WAYS FOR THE PROSECUTION.
THEY WANT TO KEEP HAMMERING
HOME THAT MURDOCH IS A LIAR.
BUT HE SAID HE CAME ACROSS
THEIR BODY, TOOK THE ATV OR
THE VEHICLE, AND THEN WENT
TO GO GET A GUN AND A SHOTGUN
AND THEN CAME BACK BECAUSE HE
WAS WORRIED THAT HE MAY NEED
TO USE IT.
MAYBE THE PERPETRATOR,
THE ACTUAL SHOOTER WAS CLOSE
BY .
WHEN THAT HAPPENS, YOU'RE
ONLY GOING TO SEE TWO SETS OF
TODD ANT SORRY, GOING AWAY
AND COMING BACK .
THE PROSECUTION IS PLANTING
TO SEE THAT THERE ARE TOO MANY
FOR HIS STORY TO MAKE SENSE.
THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ACTUAL
STORY COULD BE , BUT THEY COULD
ARGUE THAT, HEY, MAYBE THIS
IS HIM GOING BACK AND FORTH
TRYING TO CLEAN UP THE CRIME
SCENE.
WE KNOW THAT THERE IS A RAIN
THAT WAS FOUND WITH GUNSHOT
RESIDUE ON IT, BUT THAT WASN'T
THE SCENE.
THERE'S ALSO TWO GUNS THAT ARE
MISSING FROM THIS CASE.
MAYBE HE DISPOSED OF THEM
SOMEWHERE THAT WE HAVEN'T FOUND
YET.
AND SO PLANTING THAT SEED OF
MULTIPLE TIRE TREADS DOES THAT
.
BUT THE DEFENSE COMES BACK AND
SAYS, WELL, DID YOU DOCUMENT IT
PROPERLY?
DID YOU TELL ANYONE TO DO SO?
THEY'RE ATTACKING NOT
THE FACTS, BUT
THE INVESTIGATION TO TRY
TO MAKE HEADWAY IN THAT
ARGUMENT.
>> SO, MURDOCKS, ATTORNEYS,
THOUGH, ARGUED THAT THERE'S
STILL NO DIRECT EVIDENCE OR
EYEWITNESSES TYING HIM TO THE
CRIME, THAT HE TRULY LOVED HIS
WIFE, MAGGIE , THAT PAUL WAS,
QUOTE, THE APPLE OF HIS EYE.
BUT IS THAT ENOUGH OF A DEFENSE
?
I DON'T THINK IT'S A NO
DEFENSE.
I THINK THIS CASE IS GOING
TO NEED MULTIPLE DEFENSES
BECAUSE THE PROSECUTION HAS
MULTIPLE WAYS OF TRYING
TO CONVICT ALEX MURDAUGH IN
THE ARGUMENT AS TO THIS WAS
A CRIME TO GAIN SYMPATHY
AND COVER UP FINANCIAL CRIMES.
THAT'S WHAT THE PROSECUTION
IS ARGUING.
THE DEFENSE IS COUNTERING THAT
BY SAYING HE LOVED HIS FAMILY.
WHY WOULD HE GO TO THIS EXTENT
TO FINANCIAL CRIMES?
THEY'LL PROBABLY ARGUE THAT WE
HAVE SEEN FINANCIAL CRIMES
ACROSS THIS COUNTRY FOR
CENTURIES AND WE'VE NEVER SEEN
SOMEONE KILL THEIR WIFE AND KID
TO TRY TO HIDE THAT.
THAT'S WHAT MAKES MORE SENSE,
IS THAT SOMEONE ELSE MURDERED
THESE PEOPLE BECAUSE HE LOVED
HIS FAMILY AND NOT THIS THEORY
THAT THE PROSECUTION IS PUTTING
FORWARD.
I THINK IT HELPS, BUT I DON'T
THINK IT'S THE WINNING ARGUMENT
FOR THE DEFENSE.
NOW, DO YOU THINK MURDOCH
WILL ACTUALLY TAKE THE STAND
AND TESTIFY IN HIS OWN DEFENSE?
AND IS THAT A GOOD OR A BAD
THING?
LAY OUT THE SCENARIO, WHAT YOU
THINK ABOUT THAT.
>> SO DON'T FORGET, MURDOCH
IS UNIQUE IN HIS ABILITY
TO TESTIFY AS A DEFENSE
ATTORNEY .
I ONLY HAVE TO POTENTIALLY
PREPARE MICHAEL TO TESTIFY.
BUT PROSECUTORS, THEY ARE
PREPPING HUNDREDS, IF NOT
THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE TO TESTIFY
THROUGHOUT THEIR CAREER.
NOT ON TOP OF THAT.
HIS FATHER WAS A PROSECUTOR.
HIS FATHER'S FATHER WAS
A PROSECUTOR.
HIS FATHER'S FATHER WAS
A PROSECUTOR PREPPING WITNESSES
AND DOING DIRECT EXAMINATION
IS LITERALLY IN THIS MAN'S
BLOOD .
SO I WOULD EXPECT THAT HE WOULD
BE A BETTER PERSON TO TESTIFY
THAN MOST PROFESSIONAL PEOPLE
WHO DO TESTIFY.
I THINK THAT GIVES HIM
THE ADVANTAGE AND THAT CREATES
A MORE LIKELY THAN NOT SCENARIO
WHERE HE WILL TESTIFY BECAUSE
WITH NO EYEWITNESS AND NO
DIRECT EVIDENCE, THE BEST
PERSON, THE ONLY PERSON
WHO KNOWS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN HE
GOT TO THAT SCENE
IS ALEX MURDAUGH.
AND HE MIGHT BE THE HAIL
MARY PASS.
THE DEFENSE NEEDS TO CARRY HIS
CASE BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT.
>> ALL RIGHT.
STAY WITH US.
BRIAN , I UNDERSTAND WE GOT
EVA PILGRIM.
SHE'S THERE ON THE GROUND.
SHE WAS INSIDE THE COURTROOM.
SHE JOINS US NOW.
IVA, SO GLAD YOU COULD BE A
PART OF THIS CONVERSATION.
SO WE WERE TALKING ABOUT
THE BODY CAM FOOTAGE EVEN WHEN
IT WAS SHOWN IN COURT.
TODAY.
WHAT WAS THE REACTION FROM
THE JURY WHEN THEY SAW THAT?
>> WELL, THE JURY WAS VERY MUCH
ENGAGED.
>> WE SAW A LOT OF THE JURORS
LEANING FORWARD WITH THEIR
THEIR HANDS ON THEIR UNDER
THEIR CHINS, VERY MUCH WATCHING
THIS VIDEO STEP BY STEP AS THE
STATE LAID OUT EVERYTHING THAT
THIS FIRST RESPONDER WHO WAS
THERE ON THE SCENE WAS SEEING
AND ENCOUNTERING.
YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE FIRST
TIME THAT WE HAVE SEEN
AND HEARD THIS VIDEO OF
ALEX MURDAUGH THE NIGHT THAT
THESE MURDERS HAPPENED.
AND WHAT HIS DEMEANOR WAS LIKE.
AND HE WALKED THOSE JURORS STEP
BY STEP THROUGH THE PROCESS OF
WHAT HE WAS ENCOUNTERING
ON THAT NIGHT.
THE OTHER INTERESTING THING
I NOTICED AS WE WERE SITTING IN
THAT COURTROOM WAS WHEN HE
MENTIONED THAT ALEC WAS
ON THE PHONE, HE WAS CALLING,
HE THOUGHT IT WAS HIS BROTHER.
I REMEMBER HAVING
A CONVERSATION WITH JOHN
MARVIN, HIS BROTHER,
WHO RECEIVED A PHONE CALL FROM
THE SCENE AND HOW AFFECTED HE
WAS.
IT WAS A VERY DIFFICULT PHONE
CALL TO GET AND HE WAS TEARFUL
AND HIS CONVERSATION TO ME,
HEARING HIS BROTHER IN THAT
STATE IN THE COURTROOM, I SAW
HIM HANG HIS HEAD DOWN AND JUST
SHAKE HIS HEAD BECAUSE HE
REMEMBERED QUITE OBVIOUSLY
HOW IT FELT GETTING THAT PHONE
CALL THAT NIGHT.
YOU ALSO SAW I THOUGHT VERY
INTERESTINGLY, THE DEFENSE
GO UP AND TRY TO START POKING
HOLES IN WHAT IS THIS EVIDENCE?
COULD THERE HAVE BEEN OTHER
EVIDENCE THAT WE DON'T KNOW
ABOUT?
WAS SOMETHING CONTAMINATED?
THEY LOOK AT ALL THE OPTIONS
THERE ON THE SCENE, STARTING
TO RAISE QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT
THERE COULD OR COULD HAVE BEEN
KYRA.
SO A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS FOR
YOU.
EVEN IF YOU DON'T MIND.
OTHER MEMBERS, WE'VE BEEN
TALKING SO MUCH ABOUT THE LEGAL
DYNASTY OF THIS FAMILY.
THEY'RE VERY WELL KNOWN IN
THE AREA.
YOU KNOW, FATHER, GRANDFATHER,
GREAT GRANDFATHER, ALL LAWYERS.
ARE YOU SEEING OTHER FAMILY
MEMBERS SHOW UP, SHOW SUPPORT?
HAVE YOU BEEN ABLE TO TALK
TO ANY OTHER FAMILY MEMBERS?
KIND OF.
YOU KNOW, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT
A VERY POWERFUL FAMILY IN
THE AREA, APPARENTLY, AND A LOT
OF PEOPLE HAVE USED THEM FOR
LAWYERS THROUGHOUT THE DECADES.
WHAT'S THE WHAT'S THE VIBE
LIKE, YOU KNOW, WITH REGARD
TO WHO HE HAS THERE TO SUPPORT
HIM?
WELL, WE ARE SEEING JOHN MARVIN
MURDOCH WAS IN COURT TODAY
WITH HIS WIFE.
WE SAW BUSTER MURDOCH THERE
WITH I BELIEVE IT WAS HIS
GIRLFRIEND.
THEY WERE SITTING ALL TOGETHER
KIND OF TO THEMSELVES.
THERE ARE MEMBERS OF THIS
COMMUNITY THEY KNOW WELL THAT
THEY WERE HAVING
SOME CONVERSATIONS WITH .
BUT FOR THE MOST PART, TRYING
TO AVOID TALKING TO MEMBERS OF
THE NATIONAL MEDIA.
FOR SURE.
IT'S KIND OF TURNING THE OTHER
WAY.
IF SOMEONE IS TO WALK UP
TO THEM.
AND JUST WATCHING WHAT WAS
HAPPENING IN THIS COURTROOM,
THEY'RE SITTING RIGHT BEHIND
ALEC MURDOCH THERE IN
THE COURTROOM WATCHING ALL OF
THIS UNFOLD.
GOT IT.
AND ANOTHER QUESTION.
THIS WAS ALL OF US WERE ASKING
YESTERDAY, WHAT'S
THE UNDERSTANDING WITH THE
NAME?
YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN SAYING
ALEX MURDOCH AND NOW WE'RE TOLD
ALEC MURDOCH, CAN YOU EXPLAIN
WHAT HAS HAPPENED HERE WITH HIS
NAME?
BECAUSE CLEARLY WE'VE BEEN
REPORTING ON THIS FOR A VERY
LONG TIME.
AND THERE HAS BEEN THIS THIS
CHANGE ON WHAT EXACTLY DO WE
CALL THIS MAN.
SO I THINK SOME OF
THE CONFUSION IS QUITE FRANKLY
,I'M FROM SOUTH CAROLINA, SO
I FEEL COMFORTABLE SAYING THIS
IS THE SOUTHERN ACCENT.
SO PEOPLE ARE HEARING THE WAY
THAT THEY SAY THEIR NAME
AND THEY'RE CONFUSED ABOUT WHAT
THE PRONUNCIATION IS .
I ASKED HIS BROTHERS WHEN WE
INTERVIEWED THEM WHEN THIS
ORIGINALLY HAPPENED BACK IN
JUNE.
2020 ONE .
HOW DO YOU SAY YOUR LAST NAME?
AND YOU COULD HEAR ALEC IN
THE NINE ON ONE CALL SAY HIS
OWN NAME.
THEY SAID THEY ACTUALLY SAY
ALEC WHEN THEY PRONOUNCE HIS
NAME, BUT THEY TOLD ME THAT
THE CORRECT PRONUNCIATION WOULD
BE ALEC LIKE ILEC AND THAT
MURDOCH IS HOW HE SAYS IT.
AND YOU HEAR HIM ON THE TAPES
AND IN THE VIDEOS.
SAY HIS NAME THAT WAY.
GOT IT.
I'M GOING STRAIGHT TO THE
SOURCE, AND THAT IS YOU,
BECAUSE YOU KNOW THAT FAMILY.
YOU'VE BEEN COVERING THIS FROM
THE VERY BEGINNING.
AND YOU'RE RIGHT, I LIVED IN
THE AREA FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS.
THERE IS A VERY STRONG ACCENT,
SO YOU JUST WANT TO GET IT
RIGHT.
EVA, I APPRECIATE YOU SO MUCH.
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
BRIAN .
>> THANK YOU.
ALL RIGHT.
WE'LL CONTINUE OUR COVERAGE, OF
COURSE, ONCE COURT RESUMES
AGAIN AND HOPEFULLY TALK
WITH EVEN BRIAN SOME MORE AS
THIS DEVELOPS.
AND WE ARE GOING TO BE
FOLLOWING, OF COURSE, THIS
ENTIRE TRIAL TO THE VERY END.
ALL RIGHT.
ANOTHER STRONG READ ON
THE ECONOMY.
WE'VE GOT THAT FOR YOU AS WELL.
NEW GDP DATA SHOWING
THE ECONOMY GREW ACTUALLY BY
TWO POINT NINE PERCENT IN
THE FOURTH QUARTER, BETTER THAN
WHAT ANALYSTS WERE EXPECTING.
AND PRESIDENT BIDEN IS EXPECTED
TO ACTUALLY SPEAK
ON THE ECONOMY A LITTLE LATER
TODAY IN VIRGINIA.
WE'LL TAKE THAT LIVE AS WELL.
WHEN IT HAPPENS.
BUT FOR NOW, LET'S BRING IN
ABC NEWS WHITE HOUSE
CORRESPONDENT KAREN TRAVERS.
SO, KAREN, MORE GOOD NEWS
ON THE ECONOMY, RIGHT?
SO I'M SURE THE WHITE HOUSE HAS
BEEN TOUTING THAT NUMBER
WILL CONTINUE TO TOUT THAT
NUMBER.
ANYTHING TO DISTRACT FROM
CLASSIFIED DOCUMENTS?
THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT, KYRA.
I THINK THEY WERE HAPPY TO HAVE
A HEADLINE THAT WAS NOT ABOUT
THE PRESIDENT'S HANDLING OF
CLASSIFIED MATERIAL, NOTABLY NO
FORMAL STATEMENT FROM THE WHITE
HOUSE.
THEY'RE GOING TO LET
THE PRESIDENT BE THE ONE TO
TALK ABOUT THIS LATER THIS
AFTERNOON WHEN HE HEADS TO THAT
EVENT.
IN VIRGINIA.
BUT YOU SAW CABINET
SECRETARIES, SENIOR WHITE HOUSE
OFFICIALS CROWING ABOUT THAT
GDP NUMBER ON TWITTER TODAY.
RON KLAIN, A VERY ACTIVE
TWEETER, THE CHIEF OF STAFF,
GIVING CREDIT TO THE AMERICAN
RESCUE PLAN, THE FIRST BIG
PIECE OF LEGISLATION THAT
THE PRESIDENT SIGNED WHEN HE
TOOK OFFICE.
AND ALSO RON KLAIN TRYING
TO SUGGEST SOME HEADLINES HERE
FOR REPORTERS SAYING THAT THIS
SHOULD BE WRITTEN UP
AS PRESIDENT BIDEN'S PLAN
IS WORKING.
THEY'RE VERY HAPPY WITH THIS
NUMBER.
THEY SAY IT'S A PRODUCT OF
THE FACT THAT THE PRESIDENT HAS
BEEN PUSHING FOR JOB CREATION,
WORKING WITH DEMOCRATS
ON CAPITOL HILL, AND THEY WANT
THIS TO CONTINUE NOW GOING INTO
TWENTY , TWENTY THREE .
>> SO, AS YOU SAID,
PRESIDENT BIDEN IS GOING
TO SPEAK ABOUT THIS THIS
AFTERNOON IN VIRGINIA.
SO WHAT DO YOU THINK WE CAN
EXPECT TO HEAR FROM HIM?
>> HE'S GOING TO DO
A LITTLE BIT OF A LOOK
BACKWARDS, KYRA.
AT HIS FIRST TWO YEARS IN
OFFICE.
TALK ABOUT THE 11 MILLION JOBS
THAT WERE CREATED, INCLUDING
SEVEN HUNDRED AND FIFTY
THOUSAND MANUFACTURING JOBS,
BECAUSE HE WILL BE SPEAKING AT
A STEAMFITTERS UNION OUT THERE
IN SPRINGFIELD, VIRGINIA.
HE'LL ALSO BE TOUTING THE FACT
THAT UNEMPLOYMENT RIGHT NOW
IS AT A 50 YEAR LOW.
BUT THE PRESIDENT IS ALSO GOING
TO GO ON THE ATTACK A BIT
TODAY.
HE'S GOING TO GO AFTER HOUSE
REPUBLICANS SAYING THAT UNDER
THEIR PLAN, IN HIS VIEW,
THEIR ECONOMIC AGENDA WOULD
RAISE TAXES ON WORKING
FAMILIES, WOULD RAISE GAS
PRICES, AND ALSO WOULD WORSEN
INFLATION.
REPUBLICANS, OF COURSE, TAKING
ISSUE WITH THAT.
BUT, KYRA, THIS IS ALL SETTING
UP A BIG SHOWDOWN THIS SPRING
OVER SPENDING CUTS, WHICH HOUSE
REPUBLICANS ARE PUSHING FOR.
AND IT ALL COMES AMID A BIG,
BIG FIGHT LOOMING OVER THE DEBT
CEILING.
>> ALL RIGHT.
ONE MORE QUESTION, IF YOU DON'T
MIND.
THE PRESIDENT CONCERNED THAT
UNCERTAINTY OVER THE DEBT
CEILING, SOMETHING ELSE WE'VE
BEEN TALKING A LOT ABOUT COULD
ACTUALLY DERAIL ALL THIS
PROGRESS ON THE ECONOMY.
YOUR THOUGHTS?
YEAH, THE WHITE HOUSE VERY
CONCERNED ABOUT THAT.
THEY SAY THAT THE REPUBLICAN
RECIPE ON OR THE REPUBLICAN
PLAN ON THE ECONOMY IS A RECIPE
FOR ECONOMIC CATASTROPHE.
BUT NOTABLY WHEN IT COMES
TO THE DEBT CEILING
AND SPENDING CUTS, THE WHITE
HOUSE HAS DRAWN A VERY FIRM
LINE IN THE SAND, SAYING
PRESIDENT BIDEN IS NOT GOING
TO NEGOTIATE ON RAISING
THE DEBT CEILING.
AND THIS RIGHT NOW IS A BIG
DEAL .
AND IT'S GOING TO BE FOR
THE NEXT SEVERAL MONTHS BECAUSE
REPUBLICANS SAY IN ORDER
TO RAISE THE DEBT CEILING,
THEY WANT TO SEE SPENDING CUTS
BROADLY.
THE WHITE HOUSE SAYS YOU DID
THIS SO MANY TIMES DURING
THE TRUMP YEARS WITHOUT ANY
CONDITIONS THAT SHOULD
CONTINUE.
NOW, KYRA, THE ONE THING WE'RE
WAITING FOR IS WHEN WILL THE
PRESIDENT SIT DOWN WITH HOUSE
SPEAKER KEVIN MCCARTHY?
THEY BOTH HAVE SAID THEY'RE
GOING TO DO IT.
THAT MEETING IS NOT YET
ON THE BOOKS.
>> ALL RIGHT, KAREN TRAVERS FOR
US AT THE WHITE HOUSE.
KAREN, THANKS SO MUCH.
>> AND COMING UP, THAT SIX YEAR
OLD THAT SHOOTS HIS TEACHER
RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF MIDDLE
SCHOOL.
WELL, AS THE TEACHER RECOVERS,
FELLOW STAFFERS SAY THERE WERE
WARNING SIGNS AND NOW THIS
TEACHER SAYS SHE'S GOING TO SUE
THE SCHOOL STREAMING LIVE
AND FREE ON ALL PLATFORMS.
SO GLAD YOU'RE SERVING WITH US
TODAY.
WELL, ATTORNEYS FOR THAT
VIRGINIA TEACHER SHOT BY HER
SIX YEAR OLD STUDENT SAY THAT
SHE'S PLANNING TO SUE
THE SCHOOL DISTRICT.
ABBY SWERNER SAYS THAT
THE ADMINISTRATION FAILED
TO HEED MULTIPLE WARNINGS WHICH
COULD HAVE PREVENTED
THE SHOOTING.
>> AND NOW THE DISTRICT
SUPERINTEND IS OUT OF A JOB.
CHIEF JUSTICE CORRESPONDENT
PIERRE THOMAS HAS THE LATEST
TEACHER ABBY SWERNER AT HOME
TRYING TO HEAL WITH THE
BULLET STILL LODGED IN HER
CHEST, FIRED BY THE SIX YEAR
OLD STUDENT.
>> THE ROAD TO FULL RECOVERY
WILL BE LONG.
TWO WEEKS AFTER THE ATTACK THAT
SHOCKED THE NATION, THE NEWPORT
NEWS TEACHER IS BREAKING HER
SILENCE THROUGH AN
ATTORNEY ACCUSING THE SCHOOL OF
FAILING TO STOP THE VIOLENCE
DESPITE MULTIPLE WARNINGS
THREE TIMES, THE SCHOOL
ADMINISTRATION WAS WARNED
BY CONCERNED TEACHERS
AND EMPLOYEES THAT THE BOY HAD
A GUN ON HIM AT THE SCHOOL.
BUT THE ADMINISTRATION COULD
NOT BE BOTHERED.
>> THAT ATTORNEY LAYING OUT
A DISTURBING TIMELINE, SAYING
IT WAS THE WINNER WHO FIRST
WARNED THE SCHOOL THE BOY HAD
THREATENED TO BEAT UP ANOTHER
CHILD.
>> THAT MORNING, THEY DIDN'T
CALL SECURITY.
>> THEY DIDN'T REMOVE
THE STUDENT FROM THE CLASSROOM.
AFTER A TIP ABOUT A GUN,
ANOTHER TEACHER SEARCHED
THE BOY'S BACKPACK.
AN HOUR LATER, BUT FOUND
NOTHING.
BUT WHEN THE TEACHER WARNED AN
ADMINISTRATOR THE GUN COULD
BE IN THE POCKET, HER CONCERNS
WERE ALLEGEDLY DISMISSED.
>> THE ADMINISTRATOR DOWNPLAYED
THE REPORT FROM THE TEACHER
AND THE POSSIBILITY OF A GUN,
SAYING, AND I QUOTE, WHILE HE
HAS LITTLE POCKET A HALF AN
HOUR LATER, IT'S WHERE HIS
ATTORNEY SAYS A THIRD TEACHER
REPORTED A STUDENT WHO WAS
CRYING BECAUSE THE SIX YEAR OLD
HAD THREATENED HIM WITH THE GUN
DURING RECESS.
BUT AGAIN, NO ACTION.
FINALLY, ZOHREEN SHAH CLAIMS
ANOTHER CONCERNED STAFF ASKED
TO SEARCH THE BOY BUT WAS
DENIED, TOLD WAIT THE SITUATION
OUT BECAUSE THE SCHOOL DAY WAS
ALMOST OVER.
MINUTES LATER, POLICE SAY
THE BOY OPENED FIRE WITH
THE HANDGUN HE BROUGHT FROM
HOME A FEMALE VICTIM.
SHE'S BEEN SHOT IN THE ABDOMEN
AS WELL AS A THROUGH
AND THROUGH INTO THE HANDS.
THE PARENTS OF THE SIX YEAR OLD
SUSPECT THAT HE SUFFERS FROM AN
ACUTE DISABILITY AND CLAIM
THE SHOOTING OCCURRED DURING
THE FIRST WEEK HE ATTENDED
CLASS WITHOUT A PARENT.
BUT ONE PARENT OF A CHILD IN
THE CLASSROOM TELLS
ABC NEWS SHE'S NOT AWARE OF
PARENT CHAPERONS BEING ALLOWED
IN CLASS.
AND ONE SUBSTITUTE TEACHER
WHO LED THE SAME CLASS BACK IN
THE FALL SAYS THERE WERE NO
PARENTS MARKED PRESENT.
>> THERE WAS NOT EVEN LIKE
A TEACHER'S AIDE IN
THE CLASSROOM.
>> OVERNIGHT, A DECISIVE MOVE.
THE MOTION CARRIES FIVE TO
ONE SCHOOL BOARD VOTING TO OUST
THE SUPERINTENDENT, SOMETIMES
OUT OF TRAGEDY.
IT COMES OPPORTUNITY FOR GROWTH
,FOR CHANGE IN RESPONSE
TO NEWS OF THE LOSS, THE BOY'S
FAMILY ATTORNEY HAS RELEASED
A STATEMENT SAYING
THEY CONTINUE TO PRAY FOR
THE TEACHER, THAT THEY WISH HER
A COMPLETE AND FULL RECOVERY.
BUT TEACHERS DEMANDING ANSWERS
AND ACCOUNTABILITY.
>> KIRA PEIRE, THANKS.
>> AND COMING UP, FIVE FORMER
MEMPHIS POLICE OFFICERS CHARGED
IN THE TERRY NICHOLS DEATH ARE
IN POLICE CUSTODY.
AND NOW THEIR BODY CAM VIDEO
COULD BE RELEASED STREAMING LIVE
AND FREE ON ALL PLATFORMS.
>> AND THANKS SO MUCH FOR
STREAMING WITH US.
HERE'S SOME OTHER HEADLINES
WE'RE FOLLOWING FOR YOU THIS
HOUR.
ALL FIVE FORMER MEMPHIS POLICE
OFFICERS WHO WERE FIRED FOR
THEIR INVOLVEMENT IN THAT
DEADLY TRAFFIC STOP OF TERRY
NICHOLS HAVE BEEN CHARGED
WITH SECOND DEGREE MURDER.
THEY ALSO FACE MULTIPLE OTHER
CHARGES, INCLUDING AGGRAVATED
KIDNAPPING, AND ARE CURRENTLY
CUSTODY IN A JAIL IN SHELBY
COUNTY, TENNESSEE.
NICHOLS FAMILY ATTORNEY SAYS
THE 29 YEAR OLD WAS BEATEN FOR
THREE MINUTES AFTER HE WAS
PULLED OVER ON JANUARY 7TH.
HE DIED THREE DAYS LATER,
SPARKING OUTRAGE IN
THE COMMUNITY.
SOUTHWEST AIRLINES SAYS IT LOST
800 MILLION DOLLARS BECAUSE OF
LAST YEAR'S HOLIDAY MELTDOWN.
THE AIRLINE EXPECTING
MORE LOSSES THIS YEAR.
AND WE'LL SPEND ONE POINT
THREE BILLION DOLLARS MORE TO
UPDATE THEIR TECHNOLOGY
SYSTEMS.
THIS COMES AS THE TRANSPORT
DEPARTMENT LAUNCHES AN
INVESTIGATION INTO THE AIRLINE.
SOUTHWEST SAYS IT'S COOPERATING
WITH THE DOT .
MORE THAN TWO DOZEN PEOPLE HAVE
BEEN CHARGED IN A MASSIVE
SCHEME TO SELL BOGUS NURSING
DEGREES.
THE DOJ SAYS MORE THAN 7000
PEOPLE BOUGHT FRAUDULENT
DIPLOMAS FROM THREE SCHOOLS IN
SOUTH FLORIDA.
EVEN WORSE, SOME OF THEM ARE
ALLEGEDLY STILL WORKING
AS LICENSED NURSES IN OTHER
STATES .
THE WORKING WITH LOCAL
AUTHORITIES TO MAKE SURE
THEY CAN'T PROVIDE CARE ANY
LONGER.
I'M KYRA PHILLIPS.
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