ABC News Live: Massive wildfire in France forces 10,000 people to flee their homes

Plus, former President Donald Trump takes the Fifth in the civil probe into his business, and new data shows inflation appears to be slowing.
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Transcript for ABC News Live: Massive wildfire in France forces 10,000 people to flee their homes
STREAMING NOW FREE ON ABC NEWS LIVE. AMERICA'S NUMBER ONE STREAMING NEWS. >> ABC NEWS, AMERICA'S NUMBER ONE NEWS SOURCE. I'M DIANE MACEDO, TODAY ON ABC NEWS LIVE DONALD TRUMP PLEADS THE FIFTH, THE FORMER PRESIDENT IS INVOKING HIS CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT AGAINST SELF INCRIMINATION IN THE CIVIL CASE AGAINST HIS FAMILY BUSINESS. WHY HE SAYS HE TOOK THE FIFTH AFTER YEARS OF CRITICIZING OTHERS WHO DID. CONCERNS ARE GROWING ABOUT THE LARGEST NUCLEAR POWER PLANT IN EUROPE. EXPERTS ARE WARNING ABOUT THE RISK OF A SEVERE NUCLEAR INCIDENT AS A BATTLE RAGES AROUND THE PLANT. WE HAVE THE LATEST. YOU'RE LOOKING AT IMAGES OF A MASSIVE FRONT WILDFIRE, IT'S ALREADY FORCING 10,000 PEOPLE TO FLEE THEIR HOMES. WE'RE LIVE ON THE FRONTLINES WITH MORE. WE BEGIN WITH FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP PLEADING THE FIFTH IN A DEPOSITION IN THE NEW YORK ATTORNEY GENERAL INVESTIGATION INTO THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION. THE FORMER PRESIDENT REFUSED TO ANSWER QUESTIONS INVOKING HIS FIFTH AMENDMENT RIGHT NOT TO INCRIMINATE HIMSELF. THIS IS THE U.S. ATTORNEY GENERAL IS UNDER INCREASING PRESSURE TO REVEAL WHY THE FBI EXECUTED A SEARCH WARRANT ON TRUMP'S MAR-A-LAGO A STATE IN FLORIDA. CHIEF WASHINGTON CORRESPONDENT, JONATHAN CARL, HAS THE LATEST. >> HOW DO YOU FEEL, MR. TRUMP? >> WHEN DONALD TRUMP SAT DOWN IN THE NEW YORK ATTORNEY GENERALS OFFICE FOR A SWORN DEPOSITION, HE ANSWERED ONLY A SINGLE QUESTION, WHY IS YOUR NAME? THE FORMER PRESIDENT INVOKED HIS FIFTH AMENDMENT RIGHT AGAINST SELF INCRIMINATION FOR EVERY OTHER QUESTION. ACCORDING TO A SOURCE FAMILIAR WITH THE DEPOSITION. BEFORE THE QUESTIONS STARTED, TRUMP BEGAN BY READING AN OPENING STATEMENT WHERE HE HARSHLY CRITICIZE NEW YORK ATTORNEY GENERAL, LETITIA JAMES, AS SHE SAT RIGHT ACROSS THE TABLE FROM HIM. CALLING HER A FIELD POLITICIAN AND ACCUSING HER OF TRYING TO, QUOTE, DESTROY TRUMP. THE DEPOSITION, WHICH WENT ON FOR SIX HOURS WITH BREAKS, AND WAS VIDEOTAPED, WAS PART OF A CIVIL CASE ACCUSING THE TRUMP FAMILY BUSINESS OF MISREPRESENTING THE VALUES OF ITS PROPERTIES TO GET MORE FAVORABLE LOANS AND PAY LESS IN TAXES. TRUMP AND HIS COMPANY HAVE LONG DENIED WRONGDOING. DESPITE TRUMP'S ATTACKS ON THE AG IN HIS OPENING STATEMENT, AFTER THE DEPOSITION WAS OVER, HE AND HIS LAWYER CALLED IT, QUOTE, VERY PROFESSIONAL. FOR YEARS, TRUMP HAS RAILED AGAINST PEOPLE WHO TAKE THE FIFTH. >> YOU SEE THE MOB TAKES THE FIFTH, IF YOU'RE INNOCENT, WHY ARE YOU TAKING THE FIFTH AMENDMENT? FIFTH AMENDMENT, FIFTH AMENDMENT, FIFTH AMENDMENT, HORRIBLE, HORRIBLE. >> IN A STATEMENT, HE CLAIMED HE HAD NO CHOICE BUT TO TAKE THE FIFTH NOW. ESPECIALLY AFTER THE FBI RAID ON HIS FLORIDA RESIDENCE ON MONDAY. THE MAR-A-LAGO RAID HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH WEDNESDAY'S DEPOSITION, LAW ENFORCEMENT SOURCES SAY THE FBI SEARCH OF HIS PALM BEACH HOME WAS RELATED TO DOCUMENTS, SOME OF THEM CLASSIFIED, THAT TRUMP ALLEGEDLY TOOK IMPROPERLY FROM THE WHITE HOUSE. >> DONALD TRUMP MAY HAVE HAD SOME LEGAL REASONS FOR NOT ANSWERING ANY QUESTIONS AND TAKING THE FIFTH AMENDMENT, HE ALSO MADE HISTORY BY DOING THAT, BECOMING THE FIRST FORMER PRESIDENT IN AMERICAN HISTORY TO TAKE THE FIFTH. DIANE. >> ALL RIGHT, JONATHAN CARL, THANK YOU FOR THAT. SENIOR INVESTIGATIVE REPORTER, AARON KATERSKY, JOINS ME LIVE ALONG WITH FORMER FEDERAL PROSECUTOR, RENATO MARIOTTI. RENATO, CAN YOU WALK ME THROUGH THE REASONS AN ATTORNEY WOULD ADVISE THEIR CLIENT TO PLEAD THE FIFTH AND A CASE LIKE THIS? >> SURE, IT WOULD BE BECAUSE YOU BELIEVE THAT ANSWERING THOSE QUESTIONS COULD POTENTIALLY LEAD TO CRIMINAL LIABILITY IN ANOTHER CASE OR IN A DIFFERENT MANNER. >> IS THE PRESIDENTS TITLE, THE FORMER PRESIDENTS TITLE HERE RELEVANT TO THIS AT ALL? HAVING A HIGH PROFILE CLIENT LIKE THAT, WITH THAT MAKE YOU MORE LIKELY TO ADVISE THEM TO PLEAD THE FIFTH? >> NO, ACTUALLY, I THINK THAT I WOULD ADVISE ANYONE IN HIS SITUATION TO PLEAD THE FIFTH. SIMPLY THAT IS BECAUSE HE APPEARS TO BE THE SUBJECT OF MULTIPLE CRIMINAL INVESTIGATIONS. WE KNOW THAT SOME OF HIS AIDES FROM THE WHITE HOUSE, SOME FOR EXAMPLE ARE THE VICE PRESIDENT THEY, THEY WERE RECENTLY REVIEWED BY THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT. THEY'RE LOOKING AT THAT FAKE ELECTORS GAME THAT HE WAS INVOLVED IN, WE ALSO KNOW THERE IS A FULTON COUNTY INVESTIGATION OF THE FORMER PRESIDENT. YOU KNOW, THERE IS OBVIOUSLY A CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION IN MANHATTAN. EVERYTHING HE SAYS AND THAT DEPOSITION COULD BE USED AGAINST HIM IN ANY OF THOSE CASES. SO, THERE'S A LOT OF POTENTIAL JEOPARDY FOR HIM. >> AARON, THIS IS A SEPARATE INVESTIGATION FROM THE FBI SEARCH AT TRUMP'S MAR-A-LAGO ESTATE IN FLORIDA. WE JUST HEARD RENATA SAYING THAT WHAT HE SAID, IF YOU HAD ANSWERED THE QUESTIONS TO THE SUPPOSITION COULD POTENTIALLY COME INTO PLAY IN SOME OF THESE OTHER INVESTIGATIONS. COULD IT WORK THE OTHER WAY AROUND? COULD WHAT THEY UNCOVERED AT MAR-A-LAGO, IF ANYTHING, SOMEHOW FACTOR INTO THIS NEW YORK PROBE? >> I SUPPOSE IF THEY FOUND EVIDENCE THAT HE MESSED WITH VALUATIONS OF HIS REAL ESTATE PROPERTIES, THEN MAYBE. IT'S HARD TO BELIEVE THAT THEY WOULD FIND ANYTHING THAT ATTORNEY GENERAL LETITIA JAMES HASN'T TURNED UP OVER THE LAST THREE YEARS SINCE SHE'S BEEN INVESTIGATING THE WAY THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION HANDLES PROPERTY VALUATIONS, DEPENDING ON WHO THEY'RE TALKING TO, -- FOR EXAMPLE. IT'S LIKELY THAT THE TWO INVESTIGATIONS WOULD CROSS PATHS, ESPECIALLY NOW SINCE THE FORMER PRESIDENT HAS DECLINED TO ANSWER HER QUESTIONS, UNDOUBTEDLY, PERHAPS, THINKING ABOUT THE POTENTIAL CRIMINAL EXPOSURE FROM THE MANHATTAN DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. IN ADDITION TO WHAT HE SAID IN HIS STATEMENT, WHICH WAS THAT HE'S BEING TREATED UNFAIRLY BY ALL LAW ENFORCEMENT INVESTIGATIVE AGENCIES. >> RENATO, WHAT IS THIS DEPOSITION TELL YOU ABOUT HOW FAR THE NEW YORK AG'S INTO HER INVESTIGATION? DO YOU THINK WE COULD SEE CHARGES FILED SOON IF AT ALL? >> YEAH, I THINK YOU'LL SEE A CIVIL SUIT FILED. THIS SEEMS TO ME LIKE SOMETHING YOU WOULD DO TOWARDS THE END OF A CASE. AND OF AN INVESTIGATION, WHEN YOU HAVE EVERYTHING LINED UP, ALL YOUR DOCUMENTS, EVIDENCE IS LINED UP, YOU WANT TO CONFRONT TRUMP WITH EVERYTHING. THIS ACTUALLY, I WILL SAY THE CIVIL DEPOSITION HELPS HER GREATLY IN A CIVIL CASE AGAINST TRUMP PERSONALLY IN PARTICULAR. SHE ENDS UP DOING THAT BECAUSE IN A CIVIL CASE, HIS SILENCE CAN BE USED AGAINST HIM. HE IS TAKING THE FIFTH, IT CAN BE USED AGAINST OF A CIVIL MATTER. >> ERIN, YOU'RE KEEPING TRACK OF ALL OF THESE INVESTIGATIONS FOR, US WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING AT FOR NEXT? >> WELL, THERE ARE EFFORTS UNDERWAY IN FULTON COUNTY GEORGIA. THE MATTER OF FAKE ELECTORS TO GET THE FORMER PRESIDENTS ATTORNEY, RUDY GIULIANI, TO COME IN AND TESTIFY. THERE IS EFFORTS UNDERWAY, OF COURSE, TO TRY TO TALK TO OTHER TRUMP AIDES AND ASSOCIATION WITH THE JANUARY SIX COMMITTEE. WE'RE WAITING TO SEE WITH THE COMMITTEE MAYBE ALREADY DOING SEPTEMBER WITH ADDITIONAL HEARINGS AND HOW THAT MAY INFLUENCE THAT THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT DOES. AND THEN, IN THE MANNER OF THE CLASSIFIED MATERIAL, THE QUESTION IS WHETHER THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT WOULD SAY ANYTHING TO GIVE THE PUBLIC AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT PREDICATED THE RAID ON THE FORMER PRESIDENTS IN FLORIDA. THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT IS STICKING BY ITS LONG-STANDING PRACTICE TO NOT SAY ANYTHING ABOUT A MATTER AND CHILL CHARGES ARE FILED. >> AND WE KNOW THAT IN THE NEW YORK ATTORNEY GENERAL PROBE, DONALD TRUMP JR. AND IVANKA TRUMP HAVE BOTH BEEN -- CAN WE SEE OTHER TRUMP FAMILY MEMBERS PULLED INTO THIS? >> ERIC TRUMP WAS POSED, IT'S BEEN MORE THAN A YEAR NOW, HE ALSO PLEADED THE FIFTH. DONALD TRUMP JR. AND IVANKA TRUMP WERE TOLD DID NOT PLEAD THE FIFTH, THEY ANSWERED QUESTIONS FROM THE INVESTIGATORS IN NEW YORK. HOW THAT ULTIMATELY FACTORS INTO WHATEVER ENFORCEMENT ACTION THE ATTORNEY GENERAL TAKES, WE'LL WAIT AND SEE. THERE'S THAT TO BE CLOSE. >> ALL RIGHT, WE'LL BE KEEPING AN EYE, WE KNOW YOU ESPECIALLY WILL FOR US. AARON KATERSKY, ORNATO MARIOTTI, THANK YOU BOTH. AND THERE IS ANOTHER SIGN TODAY THAT INFLATION MIGHT BE STARTING TO COOL. WHOLESALE PRICES AROUND 9.8% COMPARED TO A YEAR AGO. THAT'S STILL HIGH, BUT BETTER THAN EXPECTED, IT COMES ON THE HEELS OF YESTERDAY'S REPORT SHOWING INFLATION EASED IN SOME CONSUMER PRICES IN JULY. MEANWHILE, THE WEEKLY JOBLESS CLAIMS REPORT SHOWS 262,000 PEOPLE FILED UNEMPLOYMENT CLAIMS LAST WEEK. THAT'S UP 14,000 FROM THE PREVIOUS WEEK. SO, WHAT'S THE BIG PICTURE HERE? ABC NEWS PRISONERS COMPORTED, ALEXIS CHRISTOFOROUS IS HERE FOR US TO BREAK IT ALL DOWN FOR US. ALEXIS, WHAT ARE YOUR BIG TAKEAWAYS FROM TODAY'S INFLATION REPORT? >> WELL, DIANE, I THINK IT SHOWS US THAT INFLATION IS MOVING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. ALBEIT, VERY VERY SLOWLY. WE JUST SAW THAT YEAR OVER YEAR NUMBER, PRICES THAT BUSINESSES PAINT THE WHOLESALE LEVEL, UP 9.8% IN JULY VERSUS THE SAME TIME LAST YEAR. THAT WAS BETTER THAN EXPECTED, BUT MONTH OVER MONTH, ALSO TELLS AN INTERESTING STORY. IT'S THE FIRST TIME SINCE THE PANDEMIC THAT PRODUCER PRICES ACTUALLY FELL HALF A PERCENT, DEFINITELY AN ENCOURAGING SIGN. YESTERDAY, WE SAW THE CONSUMER PRICES, WHILE HIGHER, WHILE STILL ELEVATED, THOSE PRICE INCREASES ARE TRYING TO SLOW DOWN A LITTLE BIT. I DON'T KNOW IF WE WANT TO GO AND HAVE A PARTY WITH, YOU KNOW, INFLATION STILL UP EIGHT AND A HALF PERCENT AT THE CONSUMER LEVEL, BUT AGAIN, IT'S MOVING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. PERHAPS IF WE SEE A FEW MORE MONTHS OF NUMBERS LIKE THESE, IT CAN CREATE A TREND. >> SO, WHAT DO YOU THINK THESE TWO WEEKS OF REPORTS MEANS FOR THE FEDERAL RESERVE? >> I THINK THEY, I LIKE THE REST OF US, AND LIKE ECONOMISTS, AREN'T WE TRYING TO FIGURE IT OUT IN THE WEEKS AND MONTHS AHEAD. THE FED MEETS AGAIN THE MONTH OF SEPTEMBER, THERE IS A MEETING IN NOVEMBER AND DECEMBER. ANALYSTS STILL BELIEVE THE FED IS GONNA RAISE INTEREST RATES AT EACH OF THOSE MEETINGS, IT JUST DEPENDS BY HOW MUCH. THE FACT THAT WE GOT THESE TO REPORT SHOWING INFLATION STARTING TO COOL A LITTLE BIT MIGHT ACTUALLY TAKE THE PRESSURE OFF OF THE FED TO GO AS BIG WITH ITS NEXT INTEREST RATE HIKE, MAYBE INSTEAD OF THREE QUARTERS OF A PERCENTAGE POINT RISE AT THE END OF SEPTEMBER WE MIGHT SEE HALF A POINT. THE FIGHT FOR BRINGING DOWN INFLATION BY THE FED IS STILL VERY MUCH ON. >> A BIG FACTOR IN THAT CONSUMER PRICE INDEX REPORT WAS GASOLINE. A GALLON OF REGULAR, NATIONWIDE, IS NOW BELOW $4. THAT'S THE FIRST TIME WE'VE SEEN THAT SINCE MARCH. DO YOU THINK GAS PRICES WILL KEEP FALLING? >> WELL, YOU KNOW, A FEW WEEKS AGO WE ARE TALKING ABOUT HOW MUCH LOWER CAN THEY GO? ALL THE ANALYSTS ARE PREDICTING THEY WOULD GO HIGHER AS THE SUMMER WENT ON, THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE SEEING. PEOPLE START TO CHANGE THEIR DRIVING HABITS, THERE WAS LESS DEMAND GLOBALLY FOR GASOLINE. THAT'S WHAT HELPED TO PUSH THE PRICE IS LOWER. IT'S REALLY ANYBODY'S GUESS BECAUSE ENERGY IS SO VOLATILE. WE STILL HAVE THE WAR IN UKRAINE, WE HAVE HURRICANE SEASON UPON US, THAT COULD KNOCK OUT A FEW REFINERIES AND TAKE SOME OIL OFF THE MARKET. SO, LOTS OF QUESTION MARKS STILL REMAIN. BUT AT LEAST FOR NOW, WE ARE GETTING SOME MUCH NEEDED RELIEF AT THE GAS PUMP. >> ALL RIGHT, ALEXIS CHRISTOFOROUS, WE'LL TAKE THE GOOD NEWS WHERE WE CAN GET, IT THANK YOU. >> YOU BET. >> MEANWHILE, CONCERNS ARE GROWING ABOUT THE LARGEST NUCLEAR POWER PLANT IN EUROPE AND SHELLING CONTINUES JUST MILES AWAY. RUSSIAN REPORTER ALSO WHO HONOR PROTESTS WENT VIRAL AGAINST THE WAR IN UKRAINE, SHE'S NOW FACING CHARGES AFTER RUSSIAN AUTHORITIES RAIDED HER HOME. ABC'S -- HAS THE LIMIT -- HIGH. >> DIANE, FEARS ARE GROWING HERE IN UKRAINE AFTER MORE ATTACKS IN THE AREA SURROUNDING EUROPE'S LARGEST NUCLEAR POWER PLANT, ALSO, RUSSIAN SHELLS LANDED IN THE CITY OF MARIONETTES, THAT'S ABOUT TEN MILES FROM THIS OPERATION PLANT. IT'S REPORTED THAT LEAST 13 CIVILIANS WERE KILLED THERE. ALSO, SOUTHWEST OF THE PART, ABOUT 30 MILES AWAY, MISSILES STRIKING THE TOWN OF -- WITH SEVERAL HOMES THERE COMPLETELY DESTROYED. DIANE, PRESIDENT ZELENSKYY ONCE AGAIN REITERATING THAT THEY NEED MORE HIGH CALIBER WEAPONS TO COUNTER THE ONSLAUGHT. >> AND IN RUSSIA, A DEVELOPMENT ON THAT JOURNALIST WHO IS CRITICAL OF THE WAR IN UKRAINE, MARINA OVSYANNIKOVA BECAME KNOWN INTERNATIONALLY FOR HOLDING AN ANTI-WAR PROTESTS LINE ON AIR ON RUSSIAN STATE TV. ABC NEWS SPOKE WITH HER LAWYER, SHE'S BEEN ORDERED TO STAY UNDER HOUSE ARREST. THE MOTHER OF TWO, FOR NOW, BEING SPREAD JAIL TIME FOR THAT WELL-KNOWN ANTI WAR PROTEST. DIANE. >> ALL RIGHT, BRETT CLEMENT IN UKRAINE, THANK YOU. LET'S BRING IN ABC NEWS ANALYST MICK MULROY, ALONG WITH ABC NEWS CONTRIBUTOR AND FORMER CIA FIELD OPERATIVE, DARYL, FOR MORE ON THIS. DARRELL, RUSSIA IS REPORTEDLY STRUGGLING TO REINFORCE HIS TROOPS AS THEY FACE MOUNTING LOSSES AND UKRAINE. COULD THE TIDE BE TURNING IN UKRAINE'S FAVOR? >> I DON'T KNOW IF THE TIDE IS GONNA TURN IN THEIR FAVOR BECAUSE OF THE NUMBERS ARE SIMPLY AGAINST UKRAINIAN. BUT POOR PLANNING, STRATEGICALLY AND TACTICALLY, HAS LED TO THIS. HONESTLY, FROM THE VERY BEGINNING, AND THEY ARE LOSING AS MANY AS 60 OR 70,000 TROOPS IN LESS THAN 45 MONTHS, IT'S AN ASTRONOMICAL NUMBER OF PEOPLE TO REPLACE. THESE SOLDIERS WHO WERE TRAINED, NOT PARTICULARLY VERY WELL. SO THAT PIPELINE HAS BEEN DISRUPTED. AS LONG, AS WELL AS THEIR LOGISTICAL AND ARMAMENTS. >> MICK, WE'RE HEARING WARNINGS MOUNT FROM NUCLEAR -- NEAR THE NUCLEAR POWER PLANT. WALK US THROUGH THE CONCERNS THERE, HOW REAL ARE THEY? HOW IMMINENT IS THIS? >> DIANE, IT IS A CONCERN, BECAUSE AS YOU REPORT SAID, IT'S THE LARGEST NUCLEAR FACILITY IN EUROPE. THERE IS A CONTAINMENT INFRASTRUCTURE THAT KEEPS IN THE RADIATION, THAT CAN BE RUPTURED IF AMMUNITION LANDS IN PROXIMITY OR DIRECTLY ON TO THAT. SO, IS A HUGE CONCERN, IT'S THE REASON WHY THE G7 HAS DEMANDED THAT RUSSIA TURN THE STABILITY BACK OVER TO THE UKRAINIAN SCIENTISTS AND ENGINEERS THAT KNOW HOW TO HANDLE IT. THERE SHOULD NOT BE ANY FORM OF CONFLICT OR WORK GOING ON THE CIVILITY. IT RISKS EUROPE, IT RISKS RUSSIA, THE RADIATION LEAK COULD BE SUBSTANTIAL. >> THERE'LL, RESISTANCE FIGHTERS IN OCCUPIED TERRITORY ARE REPORTEDLY CARRYING -- AND DESTROYING KEY RUSSIAN INFRASTRUCTURE. HOW MUCH OF AN IMPACT THOSE TACTICS HAVE ON THE WAR? >> ARE WE TALKING ABOUT IN THE DONBAS AND THE CRIMEA, OR IN AREAS WHICH HAVE BEEN TAKEN OVER SINCE THE INVASION? >> I THINK IN AREAS THAT WERE ALREADY ESTABLISHED, RIGHT? THEY WERE THOUGHT, AT LEAST BY RUSSIA, TO BE RUSSIAN TERRITORY, NOW OCCUPIERS THEIR SON TO BE BASING THESE NEW CHALLENGES. >> OKAY, YES, -- >> WHICHEVER ONE YOU THINK IS MORE IMPORTANT. >> WELL, IT WAS UKRAINIAN TERRITORY UP UNTIL 2014, IT'S BEEN ANNEXED. SO, UKRAINIAN MILITARY, THE UKRAINIAN POPULISTS KNOW THAT TERRITORY BETTER THAN THE RUSSIANS HAVE ONLY BEEN IN THERE SINCE 2014. SO, THEY KNOW WHICH NODES TO ACTUALLY IMPACT THE GREATEST OR TO HIT TO HAVE THE GREATEST IMPACT, SO, YES, I'M SURE THEY'RE THINKING ABOUT THAT IN TERMS OF WHAT PRESIDENT ZELENSKYY SAID YESTERDAY, REGAINING ALL OF THAT TERRITORY WHICH HAS BEEN LOST AND RUSSIA SINCE THEIR INVASION OF DONBAS AND CRIMEA IN 2014. >> AND THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT, MEANWHILE, IN THE BACKGROUND OF ALL OF THIS, JUST CHARGED THE SUSPECTED IRANIAN OPERATIVES FOR ALLEGEDLY PLOTTING TO KILL FORMER U.S. SECURITY ADVISOR, JOHN BOLTON. IRAN'S CALLING THESE CLAIMS BASELESS. MICK, HOW SIGNIFICANT IS THIS WHOLE THING? DO YOU THINK WE COULD SEE THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION DOING MORE TO RETALIATE AGAINST IRAN FOR THIS? >> DIANE, I THINK IT'S POSSIBLE. THE CURRENT NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISER, JAKE SULLIVAN, SAID TODAY, YESTERDAY, RATHER, THIS IS UNACCEPTABLE. WE'RE NOT GONNA ALLOW THESE THUGS TO TARGET OUR SENIOR LEADERS. NO MATTER WHAT SIDE OF THE AISLE, OF COURSE, THEY ARE ON. WE DO HAVE TO TAKE THIS SERIOUSLY, OBVIOUSLY THE SECRET SERVICE ARE PROTECTING AMBASSADOR BOLTON, THEY TOOK IT SERIOUSLY. NOW IT'S TIME TO DETERMINE HOW WE CAN GO ABOUT BRINGING THIS INDIVIDUAL TO JUSTICE. THAT'S GOOD BE VERY DIFFICULT, AS HE PROBABLY NEVER WILL LEAVE IRAN. >> MICK AND DARYL, THANK YOU BOTH. COMING UP, FOUR YEARS AFTER FAMILIES WERE SEPARATED THE U.S. BORDER, SOME CHILDREN ARE STILL WAITING TO BE REUNITED WITH THEIR PARENTS. WE'LL LOOK AT THE EDGE, IS TO GO OVER IT. WELCOME BACK. AND I KNEW COVER STORY FOR THE ATLANTIC SEPTEMBER 2022 ISSUES, STAFF WRITER CATHERINE DICKERSON LAYS OUT IN GREEK DETAIL AND INVESTIGATIVE REPORTED TO FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP'S ZERO TOLERANCE IMMIGRATION POLICY. THE ARTICLE EXPOSES THE TRAUMA THAT FAMILY SEPARATED BY U.S. IMMIGRATION OFFICIALS ARE EXPERIENCING AND, FOUR YEARS LATER, SOME OF THESE FAMILIES ARE STILL SEPARATED. JOINING ME NOW TO DISCUSS, CATHERINE DICKERSON, STAFF WRITER FOR THE ATLANTIC. AND -- , STAFF MEDICAL ADVISOR FOR FAMILY MEDICINE AT GEORGETOWN UNIVERSITY SCHOOL OF MEDICINE. THEY'RE BOTH HERE. THANK YOU, LADIES, FOR BEING HERE. CAITLIN, I LOVE TO START WITH YOU. YOU SAY THAT SEPARATING FAMILIES FROM THEIR FAMILIES AT THE BORDER WAS NOT A SIDE EFFECT OF THE IMMIGRATION POLICY BUT ACTUALLY THE INTENT. WHEN EVIDENCE DO YOU HAVE FOR THAT? >> WELL, THE EVIDENCE FOR THAT BEGINS IN 2014, WHEN THE PROPOSAL TO SEPARATE FAMILIES'S FIRST SURFACING. THAT'S WHEN BARACK OBAMA WAS PRESIDENT. AND THEN A CON HOLMAN, THE HEAD OF ICE, HE SAW ARISE AND BORDER CROSSINGS THAT PARTICULAR OF CHILDREN AND FAMILIES CROSSING THE BORDER. HE TOLD ME ON THE RECORD FOR MY STORY THAT HE CAME UP WITH THIS IDEA TO TRY SEPARATING FAMILIES AS A WAY TO DISCOURAGE BORDER CROSSING. THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION REJECTED THE PLAN INITIALLY AND THEN HE RAISED IT AGAIN UNDER PRESIDENT TRUMP. WHEN, OF COURSE, IT WAS ULTIMATELY APPROVED. SO, THIS ARGUMENT THAT PROSECUTIONS WHERE THE GOAL AND NOT SEPARATIONS, DURING THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION ZERO TOLERANCE POLICY, IT JUST DOESN'T HOLD THAT BASED ON TOM COLEMAN'S ARGUMENTS AND INTERVIEWS WITH ME. AS WELL AS MANY DOCUMENTS UNCOVERED OVER THE COURSE OF MY DOMESTICATION. I WAS INVOLVED IN A MULTI YEAR LAWSUIT TO GET FEDERAL RECORDS, WHICH SHOW BEFORE, DURING AND AFTER ZERO TOLERANCE THAT SEPARATION WAS IN FACT THE GOAL. AND THEY GO AS FAR AS SHOWING OFFICIALS TRYING TO KEEP FAMILIES APART FOR EVEN LONGER AFTER THOSE PROSECUTIONS OF PARENTS WERE COMPLETE. >> I KNOW THAT WHOLE MEN TOLD YOU THAT THE INTENT WAS NOT WET ENDED UP HAPPENING. THE INTENT, HE THOUGHT, WAS TO HELP THESE FAMILIES AND DETER THEM FROM THAT DANGER OF BORDER CROSSING. BUT YOU DETAIL SOME HARROWING STORIES OF THE IMPACT. DOCTOR, I WANT TO GO TO YOU, WHAT HAPPENS PHYSICALLY AND MENTALLY WHEN YOU SEPARATE A CHILD FROM THEIR PANT LIKE THIS? >> FIRST OF, ALL I'D LIKE TO CONGRATULATE CAITLIN FOR THIS UNBELIEVABLE AND REMARKABLE INVESTIGATION, WHICH REAFFIRMS WHAT WE AT PHYSICIANS WRITES CONCLUDED ABOUT TWO YEARS, AGO THAT THIS INTENTIONALITY IS ONE OF THE CRITERIA FOR INTERNATIONAL LAW TO DETERMINE SOMETHING IS CONSIDERED TORTURE. SO, INTENTIONALITY AND OF COURSE, AS YOU MENTIONED, RIGHT NOW, THE SEVERE PAIN AND SUFFERING THAT FAMILY SEPARATION CAN CAUSE AMONG OTHER ELEMENTS. AS YOU CAN IMAGINE, ANYONE WHO HAS CHILDREN, IF YOU ARE SEPARATED FROM THEM AND THEY GET LOST IN THE MALL, IT IS PROFOUNDLY STRESSFUL. IMAGINE CHILDREN BE YANKED AWAY FROM, YOU YOU DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY ARE. THE CHILDREN OVER THE PARENTS ARE. SO, WE HAVE DOCUMENTED, OUR BOARD HERE PHYSICIANS THAT PHYSICIANS HUMANS RIGHTS, WE DOCUMENTED AN INTERVIEW PEOPLE, MORE THAN 40 FAMILIES AND I WONDER AND MORE THAN 13. AT ANOTHER TIME. THE PROFOUND, SEVERE AND LONG-LASTING TRAUMA THAT LASTED EVEN 3 TO 4 YEARS AFTER THE INITIAL SEPARATION. >> SO, CAITLIN, YOU SAY IN THE ARTICLE THAT A LOT OF DIFFERENT ENTITIES SHARE BLAME FOR THESE FAMILY SEPARATIONS. AND THAT THIS GOES BACK TO 9/11. SO, CAN YOU WALK US THROUGH HOW WE GOT HERE? >> SURE, SO, FOLLOWING 9/11, THE GEORGE W. BUSH ADMINISTRATION ESTABLISHED DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY WITH THE GOAL OF PREVENTING A TERRORIST ATTACK FROM EVER TAKING PLACE AGAIN ON AMERICAN SOIL. BUT AS PART OF THAT EFFORT, THEY REALLY TURNED TOWARD ILLEGAL BORDER CROSSING. WHICH, AT THE TIME, MOSTLY INVOLVE MIGRANT LABORERS WHO WERE SENDING MONEY BACK TO THEIR FAMILIES AND MEXICO. AND THEY DECIDED THAT NO LONGER SHOULD THAT BE ALLOWED TO GO UNPUNISHED. SO, THERE WASN'T A SIGNIFICANT THREAT OF TERRORISM THEN OR NOW AMONG THESE MIGRANT WORKERS. BUT BASICALLY, WHAT YOU'VE SEEN OVER TIME SINCE 9/11, IS AN ESCALATION OF THIS APPROACH, KNOWN AS PREVENTION BY DETERRENCE. WHICH USES PROSECUTION AS A WAY TO DISCOURAGE PEOPLE FROM ENTERING THE UNITED STATES. INITIALLY, WHEN IT WAS INTRODUCED UNDER PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH, IT WAS ONLY APPLIED TOWARD INDIVIDUAL BORDER CROSSHAIRS. INDIVIDUAL ADULTS WHO ARE COMING ACROSS THE BORDER ALONE. MOST OFTEN, MEN AND MIGRANT LABORERS. BUT AS YOU SEE THE RISE THAT WE JUST TALKED ABOUT OF CHILDREN AND FAMILIES CROSSING THE BORDER AND YOU HAVE PRESIDENT TRUMP TAKING OFFICE, WHO AS YOU NOTE CAMPAIGNED AND WAS VERY FOCUSED ON MINIMIZING BORDER CROSSINGS OF ALL KINDS. WE SEE THOSE SAME PROSECUTION EFFORTS PLACED ON PARENTS. WHICH THEN REQUIRES THEM TO BE SEPARATED FROM THEIR CHILDREN. >> CAITLIN, YOU SAY WHAT HAPPENED HERE HAS RESONANCE FAR BEYOND AS ONE POLICY AND THAT IT SHOULD BE STUDIED BY FUTURE GENERATIONS. WHY? WHAT IS IT YOU THINK WE HAVE TO LEARN FROM THIS THAT TRANSCENDS BEYOND EVEN JUST IMMIGRATION? >> I THINK THAT IT'S NO SURPRISE THAT PEOPLE LIKE STEPHEN MILLER, PRESIDENT TRUMP'S WELL-KNOWN CHIEF IMMIGRATION ADVISER, THE PRESIDENT HIMSELF, JEFF SESSIONS, WHO SERVED AS ATTORNEY GENERAL. THESE WERE ALL FOLKS WHO ARE VERY OPEN ABOUT HIS PASSING HARSH VIEWS ON IMMIGRATION AND FAVORING HARSH ENFORCEMENT. BUT REALLY, WHAT'S MORE IMPORTANT I THINK, HERE PERHAPS, IS ALL THE PEOPLE, THE MEMBERS OF THE BUREAUCRACY, WHO STOOD BY AS POLICY WAS PUT INTO PLACE. MANY OF WHOM SAY TODAY THEY WERE CONCERNED ABOUT IT WHEN IT WAS IN THE PROPOSAL PHASE. THEY DIDN'T WANT IT TO BE PUSHED FORWARD. AND YET, THEY REMAIN QUIET. THEY DIDN'T PUSHBACK. SOME OF THEM TOLD ME IT WOULDN'T BE STRATEGIC FOR MY CAREER AND THEY ARE VERY OPEN ABOUT THAT, AND PUSH BACK AGAINST STEPHEN MILLER GIVEN HOW MUCH INFLUENCE HE HAD THE WHITE HOUSE. OTHERS SIMPLY SAID THEY FIGURE THE SITE IT WAS SO OUTLANDISH, THERE IS NO WAY IT WOULD NEVER BE PUT IN PLACE. WHEN IN FACT, IT ACTUALLY FELL TO THEM, THEY WERE EMPOWERED AND HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO PUSH BACK AND THEY DIDN'T. AND THIS IS WHAT HAPPENED. THAT'S WHY I FEEL LIKE THERE IS A MUCH BROADER, MORE WIDELY APPLICABLE LESSON HERE. >>, SO WHAT'S HAPPENING NOW WITH THESE REMAINING CHILDREN WHO STILL HAVE BEEN REUNITED WITH THEIR PARENTS? >> THESE FAMILIES ARE STILL STRUGGLING. MOST OF THE VAST MAJORITY OF THESE CHILDREN HAVE BEEN RELEASED FROM FEDERAL CUSTODY, THEY'RE NO LONGER BEING DETAINED. SO, THERE IN THE CARE OF SPONSORS, SOME OF WHOM WERE EXTENDED FAMILY MEMBERS, MAYBE EVEN FAMILY FRIENDS. AT THIS, POINT THESE KIDS HAVE SPENT YEARS APART FROM THEIR PARENTS. EVEN THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN REUNITED ARE STILL STRUGGLING VERY SERIOUSLY. AND, SO YOU CAN ONLY IMAGINE THE KIDS WHO SPENT FOUR YEARS APART FROM THEIR PARENTS RIGHT NOW HAVING A REALLY HARD TIME. BUT THE ADULTS AND THE CHILDREN. >> I HAVE SO MANY MORE QUESTIONS FOR BOTH OF YOU BUT UNFORTUNATELY WE ARE OUT OF TIME. DOCTOR MISSOURI, CAITLIN, THANK YOU BOTH. AND CAITLIN, THANK YOU FOR THIS REPORT. >> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> COMING, UP THE LATEST ON THE MASS RATE. PLUS, EXTREME WEATHER AND DAMAGING FLASH FLOODING FROM EAST TO WEST. THE DRAMATIC NEW VIDEO, STREAMING NOW FREE ON ABC NEWS LIVE. AMERICA'S NUMBER ONE STREAMING NEWS. >> WELCOME BACK TO ABC NEWS LIVE, A MASSIVE WILDFIRE HAS EXPLODED IN FRANCE, ALREADY SCORCHING AT LEAST 17,000 ACRES. THE FIRES

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