Transcript for ABC News Live: Biden travels to Canada for meeting with Trudeau
[MUSIC PLAYING] - Good afternoon. I'm Kyra Phillips. Today on ABC News Live, President Biden heading to Canada for his first visit to our northern neighbor since taking office. My co-anchor Terry Moran across the border in Ottawa. He'll talk to us about what's on the president's agenda.
CEO of TikTok grilled on Capitol Hill as the US weighs banning the app. What he told lawmakers about your privacy and protecting our children. Plus, TikTok's connections to the Chinese Communist Party. And a historic lawsuit. A civil rights demonstrator discusses his legal victory after an LAPD officer allegedly shot him in the face with a rubber bullet.
But we do begin with President Biden and First Lady Jill Biden heading up north this afternoon for a long-awaited visit to Canada. That trip, which was delayed in part to COVID, is set to shine a spotlight on strong US-Canada relationships or relations, rather, following that rocky few years under the Trump administration. Biden and Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau are expected to tackle a series of issues facing both countries. Among them, migration, defense spending, as well as developments in Ukraine.
My co-anchor, an ABC News Senior National Correspondent Terry Moran is there in Ottawa. Terry, all right, you know, my husband's Canadian. What can I tell you? It's you're always searching for the sunshine. But it is the perfect-- and I think I might hear some rain too. [LAUGHS]
- Tell us--
- --freezing rain--
- --what's on the agenda?
- So we've got the--
- Well, the agenda here, as you say, it's a substantive agenda. They're already-- we hear a substantive agreement. But also, as you led off with, this is really an affirmation of the relationship between these two nations and these two leaders. Prime Minister Trudeau, President Biden, they get along. Canadian business leaders told me today that Justin Trudeau looks more relaxed when he's around Joe Biden. Now, Justin Trudeau always looks relaxed to me. So but I guess it improves around Biden as well.
And this is by an old tradition, American presidents make their first visit out of the country to Canada. Of course, they couldn't do that when Joe Biden came into office because of COVID. And so it's happening now. But on the substantive side, some big-- big issues, primarily immigration. There has been-- the immigration crisis really is in the Western hemisphere. And the Canadian border has seen a lot of crossings-- unlawful, unauthorized crossings. 40,000 from the United States. Prime Minister Trudeau getting pressured on that.
We hear there is an agreement that to between the countries, that people who cross without the authority of law are going to be sent back under the Safe Third Country Agreement. In other words, the first country you reach when you are a refugee that is deemed safe, you have to stay there and apply for asylum. If you want to move on, you become a regular migrant. There strengthening that here. All crossings across the American-Canadian border will now fall under that agreement.
That's something that Prime Minister Trudeau wanted because they said he is getting pressured that way. And so there's already a bit of an agreement. But really, it kicked off. It's going to kick off with drinks over at the prime minister's residence tonight, this meeting. And that gives you a sense of the flavor here.
- Yes, no pun intended. Drinks can lead to interesting negotiations. [LAUGHS] Well, defense cooperation is also going to feature high on the agenda, right? What are leaders expected to discuss?
- Well, there are some major issues, primarily, the issue of Haiti. So that country plagued by bad governance and intervention by third countries. Particularly the United States throughout its history is going through a particularly awful time right now. It's basically being run by gangs. The police force is not equipped to deal with the violence and the terror that people are enduring.
The United Nations has called for a third nation for another nation to come in and establish some kind of peacekeeping force. A few months ago, the Canadians at the request of the United States said they would consider it. But Trudeau has now essentially backtracked from that. There is still a desperate need for some order to be restored to Haiti. The United States has done that in the past. It does work.
And in fact, Justin Trudeau has said that he doesn't think the situation is there for any kind of cooperative agreement among the Haitians themselves. And so any peacekeeping force that goes to Haiti is going to be caught in the middle of a terrible, criminal, crossfire. And he's very reluctant to do that. That will be high on the agenda as well.
- And also, Prime Minister Trudeau now the longest serving leader in the G7 amid the crisis in Ukraine, right? So what can we expect Biden to say about the two country's relationship in the face of that ongoing conflict?
- Well, there's no question that Canada under Prime Minister Trudeau is part of that NATO coalition that has stuck together and that that is really one of the accomplishments of President Biden in his administration that upon the invasion of Ukraine by Russia, he rallied NATO. A lot of it was behind the scenes. He managed to keep NATO out of the direct fighting and persuade NATO members from Canada all the way to those frontline, Baltic states and Poland, to provide Ukraine with the means necessary to defend itself and now to launch counteroffensive as well.
And Canada's been a part of that. Giving, sending tanks over and other equipment to Ukraine. They have a very robust, intelligence service as well. And so all of that is going to Ukraine. They are on the same page on that seeing how this is the critical year in many ways to either break the Russian offensive or see if Ukraine can even go on the offensive itself.
- All right, we'll follow it all along with you, Terry. Talk to you tomorrow. Thanks, Terry.
Now, to TikTok's CEO getting grilled by lawmakers on the Hill defending his app, TikTok, as Congress floats the idea of banning it. Lawmakers addressing security, spying, even suicide as Shou Zi Chew tells Congress that his company is working to protect user data. This comes as the popular app and its parent company, Chinese-owned ByteDance, are under intense scrutiny now for its use and alleged abuse of user data.
- Our approach has never been to dismiss or trivialize any of these concerns. We have addressed them with real action. Now, that's what we've been doing for the last two years building what amounts to a firewall that seals off protected US user data from unauthorized foreign access. The bottom line is this. American data stored on American soil by an American company overseen by American personnel.
- Our Jay O'Brien on Capitol Hill taking it all in. Jay, this has been quite a long hearing. Highlights so far from the day. You started early on from the very beginning.
- Yeah, this hearing going on for hours and hours and hours, Kyra. The biggest takeaways are that lawmakers appear unconvinced by what the TikTok CEO Shou Chew has to tell them that assurances that he's giving them that the act is secure. Their concerns, their national security concerns are really twofold. One relates to data privacy. The other relates to misinformation.
Data privacy because TikTok is an app that's owned by ByteDance which is a Chinese company and there are concerns lawmakers say that ByteDance could access user information if the Chinese government requests it. And then misinformation concerns that TikTok's algorithm could be manipulated to promote things or downplay things that the Chinese government either likes or doesn't like.
TikTok denies all of that, says they do not do that. Their information, for example, is not controlled by any company. But lawmakers saying they are not moved by that. One even calling TikTok's claims about data preposterous. Kyra. All right, well, we are now hearing from China as well. At first in the morning, we really weren't getting any type of response. Now, a statement.
- Yeah, we got a statement from the Ministry of Commerce in China. And it talks about the idea that we've heard the administration say-- sources say is interested in, which is forcing ByteDance to sell TikTok through an American company. And it says if the news is true, China will resolutely oppose that. That's the statement there on your screen. That's China weighing in.
But we've also seen lawmakers turn to that statement and throw it in the face of TikTok CEO today by saying, you say your company doesn't have a connection to China. But here is the Chinese Ministry of Commerce releasing a statement saying it would oppose the sale of TikTok to an American company so that another point of contention in this hearing as lawmakers try to demonstrate what they say are linkages between the Chinese Communist Party and TikTok. And the will to demonstrate those linkages, the opposition to TikTok, it's really bipartisan, Kyra. We heard one lawmaker tell TikTok CEO that this was-- today was the most bipartisan committee in Congress because of how widespread the concerns are about this app.
- So you've been speaking to lawmakers about all the various concerns here. What have they been telling you-- the good, the bad, and the ugly?
- Well, one of the things we really wanted to drill down on, we talked to a lot of lawmakers yesterday ahead of this hearing is, is there anything that they could hear from Shou Chew from the TikTok CEO that would put to bed some of their concerns? And if they don't, what do they want to do moving forward? And what do they say to those influencers who say that this is their source of income? This is how they feed their families, or this is how they pay rent. Here's what a few of them told us.
Those influencers, Congressmen, who it's their livelihood. What's your message to them?
- Find another job.
- Is there anything the CEO could say to put your mind at ease, Congressman?
- Yeah, that he's going to sell.
- So Troy Nehls, Republican of Texas there saying find another job to those influencers. Ro Khanna's a Democrat, who represents Silicon Valley, saying he wants to see the CEO sell. That is something TikTok has said it is not interested in. It doesn't want to sell. Sources tell ABC News that the Biden administration is trying to push the sale of TikTok. But certainly, here on Capitol Hill, bipartisan interest, as demonstrated in this hearing, to do something about TikTok here. The question is what?
KYRA PHILLIPS: All right, Jay O'Brien, we'll keep following it. Thanks so much, Jay. And for more, ABC News contributor and Google Next Gen Tech Policy Fellow Mike Muse joins us now to talk about what this might mean for TikTok and the millions of American users. So Mike, I knew you did a lot of things. Now, just throw in tech fellow. Might as well. You're the Renaissance guy. I seem to be able to talk to you about everything from TikTok to the Oscars to issues of discrimination. I mean, you've just got it covered. [LAUGHS]
- I do, Kyra. I'm your guy. I'm your wingman. Whatever you need, Kyra, I got for you.
- Yes, you are. Yes, but we're going to keep this relationship alive. We're not going to have a Maverick goose situation, all right. Now, the House Committee made this first move for a bill that would actually allow Biden to ban TikTok. And it sounded like a lot of lawmakers were in favor of banning the app if you just hearing from Jay there. So is that a real possibility? Could we actually see our government banning TikTok here in the US?
- That's a really great question. There are three bills circulating around Congress right now, which has incredible bipartisan support. But the challenge, though, is once the minister of Commerce from China came out and said that they will not support or allow any sale to be forced upon TikTok. That limits President Biden's options here. So now at this point, we're only faced with considering if we go down that path, President Biden and Congress either banning it outright or limiting TikTok's ability for future downloads to happen.
The challenge with that is that one, we've already seen in the federal courts when former President Trump was in office, his inability to ban TikTok outright. The federal courts came in and stopped that. But then if you look at it from a political perspective, the millions of people who actually use TikTok politically, that will be damaging both for elected officials and for President Biden and any future president looking to run for office because of the voting demographic of individuals 35 and under who primarily use TikTok for their business, support their messaging, their advocacy. And I think where Congress needs to do well at today is really grill the CEO of TikTok on secure-- national security issues and relationship to China looking at our data, right, in order to get the American public to understand why it is on the table for a possible ban or banning further downloads because it's a national security.
But Kyra, if we have politicians out, like Jay just represented in this package saying just to get another job, it shows the ignorance that Congress has on technology and influencers actually using this as a respected career and livelihood for making money.
- Well, you had a lot of political experience having worked in the Obama administration. If the government were to go as far as banning TikTok, I mean, how do you see that truly playing out among Americans, voters, especially younger voters?
- I think it would cause great concern with then, Kyra. I mean, the youth vote is always the most coveted vote that politicians go after if not for voter turnout in order to encourage messaging and brand identity for an elected official. If Congress-- and it doesn't seem like Congress is actually selling what their concern is, which is national security, well, does not convince the American public that this is purely about national security.
What's going to happen is as a young voter, that young voter could possibly think about, well, wait. Will you ban Twitter? Will you ban Instagram, these other popular apps because maybe you don't understand it? Will you say that's a national security not really understanding how those other companies are completely separate from a parent company that's owned by China?
And so I think it's a Biden administration and all the bipartisan elected officials has an opportunity today in the next 72 hours to really convince the American people that this is about national security. If they fail to do that as a national security, the American public, particularly young voters who are just sadly watching this, will look at this as I'm taking away my social media, the opportunity to connect with friends, family, movement-building, Kyra. A lot of advocates and nonprofits use social media for movement building. And so if they do not get the messaging right, they could have a problem on their hands come election day.
- One more question if you don't mind. In addition to those data and privacy concerns, lawmakers did point to TikTok's content guidelines, especially how they might impact kids and teens using the app.
- Exactly. Again, it's all about sometimes, elected officials are not doing a good job with explaining it well. What they're really trying to talk about is content moderation. So if they were to keep the narrative of content moderation consistent in how they deal with Twitter, Facebook, Meta, Instagram, apply content moderation to TikTok, there will be more of an understanding because there'll be more of a throughput or a through line. What they're saying is that China could possibly have influence in the algorithm to suppress or support narrative that are pro-Chinese government. But that really falls under the category of content moderation, which is at the core of all the other big tech companies here in America.
- Mike Muse, always a pleasure. Thanks, Mike.
- Thank you [INAUDIBLE], my friend.
- Coming up in the first verdict of its kind, a major court victory years in the making for an LA man who protested the death of George Floyd. What happened? And who has to pay him? Next.
So glad you're streaming with us. Well, in California, a major court victory years in the making for a man who participated in a George Floyd protest in 2020. But he's not finished fighting. And the outcome of this and another legal battle he's waging could have major implications across the country. Here's ABC's DeMarco Morgan.
- I'm just grateful that we had a jury that decided in our favor. I believe that they saw the truth.
DEMARCO MORGAN (VOICEOVER): A federal jury in Los Angeles this month awarded Deon Jones close to $400,000 and a landmark case against an LAPD officer accused of shooting at Jones during one of many mass protests in 2020 following the death of George Floyd. The verdict is believed to be the first of its kind in which an individual LAPD officer was held personally liable by a jury for his actions. Jones says he had been marching with a friend in LA's Fairfax District when they say they decided to move to a less chaotic area. A Trader Joe's parking lot.
- We found ourselves in the area closer to the Trader Joe's. And the crowd of people who were either recording had their hands up or doing nothing at all. And then you have a police officer fire into that crowd.
DEMARCO MORGAN (VOICEOVER): Peter Bueno, a veteran officer and a member of the LAPD's elite Metropolitan Division, denies shooting Jones. He testified he had attempted to shoot an unidentified protester who threw a water bottle at him. Jones was shot in the face with a rubber bullet fracturing his cheekbone.
DEON JONES: I'm reminded of what my ophthalmologist said. He said if the bullet was an inch to the left where they hit your temple. If it was an inch to the right, you would have been blinded. So I would have been dead or blind.
DEMARCO MORGAN (VOICEOVER): During the trial, in addition to body camera images from various officers that day, the jury was shown an enhanced body camera video, which Jones's attorney provided to ABC News with highlights seen here, images the defense says prove it was Officer Peter Bueno who fired in the direction of Jones and other protesters. Not only do Jones's attorneys say this is the first time an LAPD officer was found liable for injuring a protester, but Jones's case might set a precedent when it comes to future cases that are similar.
- We now have an example with our case that you can take it all the way. We have an example that officers cannot brutalize peaceful protesters.
DEMARCO MORGAN (VOICEOVER): Orin Snyder, Jones's lead attorney, says the verdict represents vindication at a broader context.
- Protest is part of the fabric of our democracy. It is essential to our democracy. And if protesters fear excessive police force during peaceful demonstrations, it will chill essential First Amendment activity. The verdict makes clear that there will be accountability going forward if officers violate the constitutional rights of protesters.
DEMARCO MORGAN (VOICEOVER): Officer Bueno, a member of the department for more than 25 years, is still on the force and following an internal investigation was cleared of any wrongdoing. While the LAPD declined to comment, Officer Bueno's attorney, Janine Jeffery says her client plans to appeal the verdict and offered this response in part saying, "We respectfully disagree with the jury's decision. For over one year after the incident. Mr. Jones gave a description of Officer Bueno that was not even close to Officer Bueno's physical appearance. Furthermore, Officer Bueno was in a very different location than the person identified by Mr. Jones and Jones' expert as the shooter. These inconsistencies, combined with the inaccurate description and location of Officer Bueno demonstrate that Officer Bueno did not shoot Mr. Jones."
- So the case was essentially filed in two phases. Talk about the second portion of the case holding the city of Los Angeles accountable as well as the LAPD.
DEON JONES: We are looking for systemic change in how these police officers interact with peaceful protesters because it shouldn't happen to me. It shouldn't happen to anybody. Snyder says he hopes the second phase of the case ignites widespread change.
- Look, the second case is about the systemic failure, the systemic breakdown, the systemic lapses that were so evident.
- I hope that we all believe that Americans and the citizens of Los Angeles can go out there and peacefully protest and don't have to worry about getting shot in the face with a rubber bullet.
KYRA PHILLIPS: OK. And our thanks again to DeMarco Morgan for that. Well, coming up, a Michigan teenager serving life in prison for killing four classmates. Now, his parents are standing trial.
Well welcome back to "ABC News Live." Other headlines that we're following this hour, the parents of a Michigan teen who killed four classmates will now stand trial for involuntary manslaughter. A state appeals court ruling that the shooting at Oxford High School would not have happened if Ethan Crumbley's parents didn't buy him a gun and take him to class that day Crumbley pleaded guilty to murder and terror charges and is serving life in prison. Attorneys for his parents say they couldn't have foreseen the school shooting and that their mistakes don't amount to manslaughter.
A major storm hitting California finally clearing out today and moving into the south packing the possibility of more tornadoes. In Southern California, cleanup is underway after a pair of tornadoes touched down there near Los Angeles. That storm now putting 50 million Americans on alert from Texas to Pennsylvania and right into Saturday for more flooding and severe storms.
But before we go, today is National Puppy Day. So, of course, we are going to show you all the dogs that lick the faces of my team members, waking them up every morning so they come in here in a great mood and ready to make this show amazing. So I want to go ahead and start with our new pup, Charlie. Yes, he's cute. But boy, does he love to eat socks and toilet paper. Yeah, I let my twins handle that.
Now, we have Lonna and Koda. They belong to my producer, Isabella, who says they have added so much love to their family. But it's mom, Elkie, and dad, Israel, that really spoil those two dogs. Then my camera operator, Tim and his dog Misty. She loves her cookies and long naps and walks on the beach and romantic novels. OK, now, here's our Segment Producer Kelly and her dog, Sunny. Sunny was found all by herself on the beach. So you know what Kelly did? Of course, because Kelly is wonderful, she fell in love with Sunny and adopted her.
Then we have our PA Casey's dogs, Coco, who has six teeth. That's why her tongue hangs out like that. And then Cooper who loves to eat crayons. [LAUGHS] And finally, our Producer/Editor Darren's dog, Bruno. Oh, yeah, Bruno once ran 20 miles with Darren while training for the London Marathon. And guess what. Bruno got the better time. [LAUGHS]
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