MORNING. APPRECIATE IT. APPRECIATE IT. >> APPRECIATE YOU. O MUCH CAN CHANGE CHANGE >> AS WE SAID, SO MUCH CAN >> AS WE SAID, SO MUCH CAN CHANGE IN THIS RACE BETWEEN NOW CHANGE IN THIS RACE BETWEEN NOW AND NEXT YEAR. AND NEXT YEAR. LET'S TAKE A LOOK BACK AT THE LET'S TAKE A LOOK BACK AT THE STATE OF THE GOP PRIMARY AT THIS STATE OF THE GOP PRIMARY AT THIS POINT EIGHT YEARS AGO. POINT EIGHT YEARS AGO. THERE YOU SEE DONALD TRUMP ALL THERE YOU SEE DONALD TRUMP ALL THE WAY DOWN AT 4% BEFORE HE THE WAY DOWN AT 4% BEFORE HE OFFICIALLY LAUNCHED HIS OFFICIALLY LAUNCHED HIS CAMPAIGN. CAMPAIGN. HERE TO HELP ANALYZE IT ALL ARE HERE TO HELP ANALYZE IT ALL ARE THE TWO PEOPLE WHO LED NATIONAL THE TWO PEOPLE WHO LED NATIONAL PARTY COMMITTEES IN THAT PARTY COMMITTEES IN THAT ELECTION, ABC NEWS CONTRIBUTOR ELECTION, ABC NEWS CONTRIBUTOR DONNA BRAZILE AND REINCE PRIEBUS DONNA BRAZILE AND REINCE PRIEBUS WHO ALSO SERVED AS DONALD WHO ALSO SERVED AS DONALD TRUMP'S FIRST WHITE HOUSE CHIEF TRUMP'S FIRST WHITE HOUSE CHIEF OF STAFF. OF STAFF. WELCOME TO YOU, REINCE. WELCOME TO YOU, REINCE. HELLO TO YOU, DONNA. HELLO TO YOU, DONNA. REINCE, DO YOU SEE ANY CHANCE REINCE, DO YOU SEE ANY CHANCE THAT THE LOWER TIER CANDIDATES THAT THE LOWER TIER CANDIDATES CAN RISE UP? CAN RISE UP? >> WELL, THE FIRST THING ALL OF >> WELL, THE FIRST THING ALL OF THESE CANDIDATES HAVE TO LOOK AT THESE CANDIDATES HAVE TO LOOK AT IS CAN I WIN, AND THEY'RE IS CAN I WIN, AND THEY'RE LOOKING AT THREE THINGS. LOOKING AT THREE THINGS. NUMBER ONE, THEY'RE LOOKING AT NUMBER ONE, THEY'RE LOOKING AT JOE BIDEN. JOE BIDEN. AND THEY SEE ULTIMATELY HE'S AND THEY SEE ULTIMATELY HE'S WEAK AND HE CAN BE BEAT. WEAK AND HE CAN BE BEAT. THE SECOND THING ALL THESE OTHER THE SECOND THING ALL THESE OTHER CANDIDATES ARE LOOKING AT ISN'T CANDIDATES ARE LOOKING AT ISN'T NECESSARILY DONALD TRUMP, IT'S NECESSARILY DONALD TRUMP, IT'S RON DESANTIS. RON DESANTIS. THEY'RE SEEING GOVERNOR DESANTIS THEY'RE SEEING GOVERNOR DESANTIS AS BEATABLE IN IOWA. AS BEATABLE IN IOWA. THE LAST THING THEY'RE HOPING THE LAST THING THEY'RE HOPING FOR IS THAT SOMEHOW OR ANOTHER FOR IS THAT SOMEHOW OR ANOTHER SOMETHING UNFORESEEN IS GOING TO SOMETHING UNFORESEEN IS GOING TO HAPPEN, AND SOMEHOW DONALD TRUMP HAPPEN, AND SOMEHOW DONALD TRUMP IS GOING TO DISQUALIFY HIMSELF IS GOING TO DISQUALIFY HIMSELF THROUGH SOME UNFORESEEN THING. THROUGH SOME UNFORESEEN THING. LAST THING. LAST THING. THEY'RE ALSO LOOKING AT DELEGATE THEY'RE ALSO LOOKING AT DELEGATE MAPS. MAPS. WHEN YOU SEE THIS FIELD THROUGH WHEN YOU SEE THIS FIELD THROUGH THIS PRISM, WHAT YOU SEE IS ALL THIS PRISM, WHAT YOU SEE IS ALL OF THESE FOLKS LOOKING AT IOWA. OF THESE FOLKS LOOKING AT IOWA. WITHOUT IOWA, NONE OF THESE WITHOUT IOWA, NONE OF THESE OTHER FOLKS ARE GOING TO MAKE OTHER FOLKS ARE GOING TO MAKE IT. IT. IT ALL COMES ON TO IOWA. IT ALL COMES ON TO IOWA. IT COMES COMES DOWN TO DELEGATE IT COMES COMES DOWN TO DELEGATE MATH AND MOMENTUM THEREAFTER. MATH AND MOMENTUM THEREAFTER. >> ALL OF THESE HUGE NUMBER OF >> ALL OF THESE HUGE NUMBER OF CANDIDATES HELP DONALD TRUMP. CANDIDATES HELP DONALD TRUMP. >> ABSOLUTELY. >> ABSOLUTELY. LOOK, 2024 IS NOW LOOKING LIKE LOOK, 2024 IS NOW LOOKING LIKE 2016 ALL OVER AGAIN, WHEN 17 2016 ALL OVER AGAIN, WHEN 17 CANDIDATES SOUGHT THE CANDIDATES SOUGHT THE NOMINATION. NOMINATION. THE CHAIRMAN IS ABSOLUTELY THE CHAIRMAN IS ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. RIGHT. IT DOES COME DOWN TO MONEY AND IT DOES COME DOWN TO MONEY AND MOMENTUM AND MESSAGE, BUT, ON MOMENTUM AND MESSAGE, BUT, ON THE OTHER HAND, IT ACTUALLY THE OTHER HAND, IT ACTUALLY COMES DOWN TO THINKING ABOUT COMES DOWN TO THINKING ABOUT VOTERS ON THE SHOPPING SPREE. VOTERS ON THE SHOPPING SPREE. YOU ALREADY HAVE A BRAND, A YOU ALREADY HAVE A BRAND, A BRAND CALLED DONALD TRUMP. BRAND CALLED DONALD TRUMP. EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT BRAND, EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT BRAND, WHETHER YOU BOUGHT HIM GOING WHETHER YOU BOUGHT HIM GOING DOWN THE AISLE OR YOU ABSOLUTELY DOWN THE AISLE OR YOU ABSOLUTELY EMBRACE HIM WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE EMBRACE HIM WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE REST OF THE CANDIDATES. REST OF THE CANDIDATES. BUT RIGHT NOW THE REPUBLICAN BUT RIGHT NOW THE REPUBLICAN PARTY IS FACED WITH A LOT OF PARTY IS FACED WITH A LOT OF CANDIDATES THAT PEOPLE DON'T CANDIDATES THAT PEOPLE DON'T REALLY KNOW. REALLY KNOW. WHO THEY REALLY KNOW IS DONALD WHO THEY REALLY KNOW IS DONALD TRUMP. TRUMP. HIS BIGGEST VULNERABILITY MIGHT HIS BIGGEST VULNERABILITY MIGHT BE THE LEGAL CHALLENGES THAT HE BE THE LEGAL CHALLENGES THAT HE FACES. FACES. >> AND THEY ARE GETTING TO KNOW >> AND THEY ARE GETTING TO KNOW RON DESANTIS. YOU TALKED ABOUT HIM. WHAT'S HIS PATH TO THE WHAT'S HIS PATH TO THE NOMINATION? NOMINATION? HOW DOES HE DIFFERENTIATE HOW DOES HE DIFFERENTIATE HIMSELF? HIMSELF? NOT GOING AFTER TRUMP AT NOT GOING AFTER TRUMP AT RALLIES. RALLIES. >> THAT'S THE THING, REALLY NOT >> THAT'S THE THING, REALLY NOT GOING AFTER DONALD TRUMP. GOING AFTER DONALD TRUMP. THE PROBLEM THAT ALL OF THESE THE PROBLEM THAT ALL OF THESE FOLKS HAVE -- AND I THINK WITH FOLKS HAVE -- AND I THINK WITH RESPECT TO DONNA, I THINK THE RESPECT TO DONNA, I THINK THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THIS YEAR AND DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THIS YEAR AND 2016 IS THAT DONALD TRUMP IS THE 2016 IS THAT DONALD TRUMP IS THE BRUCE SPRINGSTEEN OF THE MAGA BRUCE SPRINGSTEEN OF THE MAGA MOVEMENT. MOVEMENT. THESE GUYS ARE A COVER BAND, THESE GUYS ARE A COVER BAND, TRYING TO DETHRONE THE BRUCE TRYING TO DETHRONE THE BRUCE SPRINGSTEEN OF THE MAGA SPRINGSTEEN OF THE MAGA MOVEMENT. MOVEMENT. SO THEY'RE BANKING ON A LOT OF SO THEY'RE BANKING ON A LOT OF THINGS HAPPENING BETWEEN NOW AND THINGS HAPPENING BETWEEN NOW AND 2024. 2024. I THINK OTHER FOLKS GETTING IN, I THINK OTHER FOLKS GETTING IN, RON DESANTIS, IF THEY'RE NOT RON DESANTIS, IF THEY'RE NOT WILLING TO GO TOE-TO-TOE WITH WILLING TO GO TOE-TO-TOE WITH DONALD TRUMP, SMASH MOUTH DONALD TRUMP, SMASH MOUTH POLITICS, IT ISN'T GOING TO POLITICS, IT ISN'T GOING TO WORK. WORK. >> BUT THIS WEEK WE'RE EXPECTING >> BUT THIS WEEK WE'RE EXPECTING TWO MORE CANDIDATES TO HIT THE TWO MORE CANDIDATES TO HIT THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL. CAMPAIGN TRAIL. OF COURSE MY TV HUSBAND, CHRIS OF COURSE MY TV HUSBAND, CHRIS CHRISTIE, THE FORMER GOVERNOR, CHRISTIE, THE FORMER GOVERNOR, GOT TO CALL HIM WHAT HE IS, BUT GOT TO CALL HIM WHAT HE IS, BUT HE'S GOING TO JUMP INTO THE HE'S GOING TO JUMP INTO THE RACE, AND OF COURSE THE FORMER RACE, AND OF COURSE THE FORMER VICE PRESIDENT MIKE PENCE. VICE PRESIDENT MIKE PENCE. AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS CHANGES THE CONTOURS OF THE CHANGES THE CONTOURS OF THE RACE, BECAUSE TRUMP IS SO RACE, BECAUSE TRUMP IS SO DOMINANT, BUT IT WILL ADD DOMINANT, BUT IT WILL ADD TEXTURE AND FLAVOR TO A PARTY TEXTURE AND FLAVOR TO A PARTY THAT DOESN'T HAVE A STRONG THAT DOESN'T HAVE A STRONG MESSAGE. MESSAGE. >> DONNA, YOU HEAR SOME >> DONNA, YOU HEAR SOME DEMOCRATS HOPING THAT DONALD DEMOCRATS HOPING THAT DONALD TRUMP IS THE NOMINEE. TRUMP IS THE NOMINEE. YET SOME POLLS SHOW THAT JOE YET SOME POLLS SHOW THAT JOE BIDEN WOULDN'T DO SO WELL BIDEN WOULDN'T DO SO WELL AGAINST A DONALD TRUMP. AGAINST A DONALD TRUMP. DO YOU WANT DONALD TRUMP AS THE DO YOU WANT DONALD TRUMP AS THE NOMINEE? NOMINEE? >> I WANT WHAT'S BEST FOR >> I WANT WHAT'S BEST FOR AMERICA. AMERICA. THAT'S JOE BIDEN, WHO I BELIEVE THAT'S JOE BIDEN, WHO I BELIEVE IS GOING TO BE A STRONG IS GOING TO BE A STRONG CONTENDER, NOT JUST WINNING HIS CONTENDER, NOT JUST WINNING HIS OWN NOMINATION, BUT ALSO IN THE OWN NOMINATION, BUT ALSO IN THE GENERAL ELECTION. GENERAL ELECTION. I UNDERSTAND WHY SOME DEMOCRATS I UNDERSTAND WHY SOME DEMOCRATS SEE DONALD TRUMP AS BEING WEAK SEE DONALD TRUMP AS BEING WEAK AND VULNERABLE GIVEN ALL THE AND VULNERABLE GIVEN ALL THE LEGAL CHALLENGES HE FACES. LEGAL CHALLENGES HE FACES. I HAVE TO REMIND MY DEMOCRATIC I HAVE TO REMIND MY DEMOCRATIC FRIENDS, DON'T FORGET 2016. FRIENDS, DON'T FORGET 2016. THE REPUBLICANS KNOW HOW TO WIN THE REPUBLICANS KNOW HOW TO WIN IN SUBURBS AND OTHER PLACES IN SUBURBS AND OTHER PLACES WHERE DEMOCRATS DON'T GO, IN THE WHERE DEMOCRATS DON'T GO, IN THE RURAL AREAS. RURAL AREAS. WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL WHAT WE WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL WHAT WE WISH FOR, GO OUT THERE AND FIGHT WISH FOR, GO OUT THERE AND FIGHT LIKE HEM. LIKE HEM. LIKE HELL. LIKE HELL. >> REINCE, ABOUT 20 SECONDS. >> REINCE, ABOUT 20 SECONDS. >> LOOK, VINCE LOMBARDI SAID >> LOOK, VINCE LOMBARDI SAID THAT CONFIDENCE IS CONTAGIOUS, THAT CONFIDENCE IS CONTAGIOUS, BUT SO IS THE LACK OF BUT SO IS THE LACK OF CONFIDENCE. CONFIDENCE. I THINK JOE BIDEN HAS A LACK OF I THINK JOE BIDEN HAS A LACK OF CONFIDENCE. CONFIDENCE. HE'S FALLEN DOWN, HE'S HE'S FALLEN DOWN, HE'S CONFUSING. CONFUSING. MOST IMPORTANTLY, THE AMERICAN MOST IMPORTANTLY, THE AMERICAN PEOPLE -- PEOPLE -- >> I KNEW YOU'D GET THAT FALLING >> I KNEW YOU'D GET THAT FALLING DOWN IN THERE. DOWN IN THERE. >> -- HAVE LOST CONFIDENCE IN >> -- HAVE LOST CONFIDENCE IN JOE BIDEN, WHICH IS WHY THIS JOE BIDEN, WHICH IS WHY THIS FIELD IS SUDDENLY EXPLODING ON FIELD IS SUDDENLY EXPLODING ON THE REPUBLICAN SIDE OF THE THE REPUBLICAN SIDE OF THE AISLE.