>> WHEN I HEARD DESANCTIS TALK ABOUT EIGHT YEARS, WE NEED EIGHT ABOUT EIGHT YEARS, WE NEED EIGHT YEARS, YOU DON'T NEED EIGHT YEARS, YOU DON'T NEED EIGHT YEARS. YEARS. YOU NEED SIX MONTHS. YOU NEED SIX MONTHS. WE CAN TURN THIS THING AROUND SO WE CAN TURN THIS THING AROUND SO QUICKLY. QUICKLY. IF YOU NEED EIGHT YEARS, WHO THE IF YOU NEED EIGHT YEARS, WHO THE HELL WANTS TO WAIT EIGHT YEARS? HELL WANTS TO WAIT EIGHT YEARS? YOU DON'T NEED EIGHT YEARS. YOU DON'T NEED EIGHT YEARS. >> THE FORMER PRESIDENT SAYS HE >> THE FORMER PRESIDENT SAYS HE CAN SLAY THE DEEP STATE IN SIX CAN SLAY THE DEEP STATE IN SIX MONTHS. MONTHS. MY QUESTION TO HIM WOULD BE, YOU MY QUESTION TO HIM WOULD BE, YOU ALREADY HAD FOUR YEARS. ALREADY HAD FOUR YEARS. WHY DIDN'T YOU SLAY IT THEN? WHY DIDN'T YOU SLAY IT THEN? >> THE RIVALRY BETWEEN THE TWO >> THE RIVALRY BETWEEN THE TWO FRONTRUNNERS FOR THE GOP FRONTRUNNERS FOR THE GOP NOMINATION INTENSIFIED THIS NOMINATION INTENSIFIED THIS WEEK. WEEK. LET'S BRING IN THE ROUNDTABLE LET'S BRING IN THE ROUNDTABLE FOR MORE. FOR MORE. WELCOME BACK DONNA BRAZILE AND WELCOME BACK DONNA BRAZILE AND REINCE PRIEBUS, OUR CHIEF WHITE REINCE PRIEBUS, OUR CHIEF WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT MARY BRUCE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT MARY BRUCE AND "WASHINGTON POST" CHIEF AND "WASHINGTON POST" CHIEF CORRESPONDENT DAN BALZ. CORRESPONDENT DAN BALZ. WELCOME TO YOU ALL. WELCOME TO YOU ALL. WELCOME TO YOU AGAIN. WELCOME TO YOU AGAIN. MARY, I WANT TO START WITH YOU. MARY, I WANT TO START WITH YOU. YOU'RE AT THE WHITE HOUSE EVERY YOU'RE AT THE WHITE HOUSE EVERY DAY. DAY. YOU SEE THE BIDEN CAMPAIGN, YOU YOU SEE THE BIDEN CAMPAIGN, YOU SEE THE WHITE HOUSE OBVIOUSLY. SEE THE WHITE HOUSE OBVIOUSLY. WHAT'S THEIR VIEW OF THIS WHAT'S THEIR VIEW OF THIS REPUBLICAN FIELD? REPUBLICAN FIELD? >> I THINK THE BIGGER THE >> I THINK THE BIGGER THE REPUBLICAN FIELD THE BETTER IT REPUBLICAN FIELD THE BETTER IT IS FOR THE BIDEN TEAM. IS FOR THE BIDEN TEAM. THE MORE REPUBLICANS ARE CHASING THE MORE REPUBLICANS ARE CHASING EACH OTHER ALL OVER IOWA WHILE EACH OTHER ALL OVER IOWA WHILE THE PRESIDENT IS NEGOTIATING A THE PRESIDENT IS NEGOTIATING A DEBT DEAL TO STAVE OFF A DEBT DEAL TO STAVE OFF A ECONOMIC DISASTER MAKES BIDEN ECONOMIC DISASTER MAKES BIDEN LOOK PRESIDENTIAL. LOOK PRESIDENTIAL. THEY FEEL AS LONG AS THIS IS THEY FEEL AS LONG AS THIS IS DONALD TRUMP'S RACE TO LOSE, DONALD TRUMP'S RACE TO LOSE, HE'S STILL THE FRONTRUNNER, THAT HE'S STILL THE FRONTRUNNER, THAT PUTS THEM IN A GOOD POSITION, PUTS THEM IN A GOOD POSITION, BECAUSE THE BIDEN CAMPAIGN, BECAUSE THE BIDEN CAMPAIGN, CERTAINLY THE PRESIDENT, THEY CERTAINLY THE PRESIDENT, THEY BEAT TRUMP BEFORE, THAT HE'S THE BEAT TRUMP BEFORE, THAT HE'S THE BEST AND UNIQUELY POSITIONED TO BEST AND UNIQUELY POSITIONED TO BEAT HIM AGAIN. BEAT HIM AGAIN. THE QUESTION IS WHETHER THAT THE QUESTION IS WHETHER THAT HOLDS, BECAUSE 2024 IS NOT 2020. HOLDS, BECAUSE 2024 IS NOT 2020. >> DAN BALZ, YOU KNOW HOW >> DAN BALZ, YOU KNOW HOW QUICKLY THESE THINGS CAN CHANGE. QUICKLY THESE THINGS CAN CHANGE. IT IS STILL TRUMP'S RACE TO IT IS STILL TRUMP'S RACE TO LOSE, HOWEVER, DESPITE THE LEGAL LOSE, HOWEVER, DESPITE THE LEGAL PROBLEMS. PROBLEMS. DONNA BROUGHT THAT UP. DONNA BROUGHT THAT UP. >> YEAH. >> YEAH. I THINK THAT'S RIGHT. I THINK THAT'S RIGHT. IT IS HIS LOSE. IT IS HIS LOSE. HE'S IN SUCH A DOMINANT HE'S IN SUCH A DOMINANT POSITION. POSITION. IF WE WERE SITTING HERE SIX IF WE WERE SITTING HERE SIX MONTHS AGO WE WOULDN'T MONTHS AGO WE WOULDN'T NECESSARILY SAY THAT. NECESSARILY SAY THAT. HE LOOKED, COMING OUT OF THE HE LOOKED, COMING OUT OF THE MIDTERMS, THAT THAT HE WAS A MIDTERMS, THAT THAT HE WAS A DAMAGED CANDIDATE, BUT GOVERNOR DAMAGED CANDIDATE, BUT GOVERNOR DESANTIS HAS HAD SOME PROBLEMS DESANTIS HAS HAD SOME PROBLEMS IN THE EARLY STAGE, AND THE IN THE EARLY STAGE, AND THE FORMER PRESIDENT HAS BEEN FORMER PRESIDENT HAS BEEN STRENGTHENED IN PART BECAUSE OF STRENGTHENED IN PART BECAUSE OF SOME OF THE LEGAL ACTION THAT'S SOME OF THE LEGAL ACTION THAT'S GONE AGAINST HIM, BECAUSE IT'S GONE AGAINST HIM, BECAUSE IT'S RALLIED PEOPLE AROUND HIM. RALLIED PEOPLE AROUND HIM. HIS BASE IS STRONG. HIS BASE IS STRONG. HE HAS THE CLEAREST -- STRONGEST HE HAS THE CLEAREST -- STRONGEST BASE WITHIN THE PARTY. BASE WITHIN THE PARTY. EVERYBODY ELSE, YOU KNOW, AS EVERYBODY ELSE, YOU KNOW, AS REINCE SAID EARLIER, EVERYBODY REINCE SAID EARLIER, EVERYBODY ELSE HAS TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO ELSE HAS TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO GO AFTER HIM, AND DENY HIM THE GO AFTER HIM, AND DENY HIM THE NOMINATION THAT OTHERWISE IS NOMINATION THAT OTHERWISE IS LIKELY TO BE HIS. LIKELY TO BE HIS. >> AND REINCE, BACK TO DESANTIS, >> AND REINCE, BACK TO DESANTIS, YOU WATCHED HIM IN IOWA. YOU WATCHED HIM IN IOWA. YOU WATCHED EVERYBODY. YOU WATCHED EVERYBODY. WHAT WAS YOUR TAKEAWAY FROM WHAT WHAT WAS YOUR TAKEAWAY FROM WHAT YOU SAW DESANTIS DO IN IOWA AND YOU SAW DESANTIS DO IN IOWA AND WHAT HE TALKED ABOUT? WHAT HE TALKED ABOUT? >> WELL, I THINK THAT HE'S GOT A >> WELL, I THINK THAT HE'S GOT A GREAT RECORD. GREAT RECORD. I THINK THAT HE'S TRYING TO MAKE I THINK THAT HE'S TRYING TO MAKE A GOOD CASE FOR AN EIGHT-YEAR A GOOD CASE FOR AN EIGHT-YEAR TERM. TERM. SO HE'S TRYING TO POSITION SO HE'S TRYING TO POSITION HIMSELF AS, HEY, LOOK, I'LL GIVE HIMSELF AS, HEY, LOOK, I'LL GIVE YOU EVERYTHING DONALD TRUMP YOU EVERYTHING DONALD TRUMP GIVES YOU, MINUS A FEW TWEETS OR GIVES YOU, MINUS A FEW TWEETS OR THE TRUTH SOCIAL, BUT I'M ALSO THE TRUTH SOCIAL, BUT I'M ALSO GOING TO GIVE YOU EIGHT YEARS. GOING TO GIVE YOU EIGHT YEARS. THE PROBLEM IS THAT DESANTIS IS THE PROBLEM IS THAT DESANTIS IS HITTING TRUMP FOR NOT GETTING HITTING TRUMP FOR NOT GETTING ENOUGH DONE IN THE FIRST FOUR ENOUGH DONE IN THE FIRST FOUR YEARS, BUT DESANTIS IS SAYING, YEARS, BUT DESANTIS IS SAYING, BUT I NEED EIGHT YEARS TO GET IT BUT I NEED EIGHT YEARS TO GET IT DONE. DONE. I MEAN, IT DOESN'T REALLY JIBE I MEAN, IT DOESN'T REALLY JIBE WELL. WELL. BUT I THINK THAT HIS PROBLEM IS BUT I THINK THAT HIS PROBLEM IS GOING TO BE MOMENTUM AFTER IOWA, GOING TO BE MOMENTUM AFTER IOWA, BECAUSE YOU LOOK AT NEW BECAUSE YOU LOOK AT NEW HAMPSHIRE, YOU LOOK AT SOUTH HAMPSHIRE, YOU LOOK AT SOUTH CAROLINA, AND YOU LOOK AT WHERE CAROLINA, AND YOU LOOK AT WHERE THAT MAGA BASE IS AT. THAT MAGA BASE IS AT. I MEAN, DONALD TRUMP IS -- YOU I MEAN, DONALD TRUMP IS -- YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, HE'S A FORCE KNOW, LIKE I SAID, HE'S A FORCE OF NATURE IN THE REPUBLICAN OF NATURE IN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY RIGHT NOW. PARTY RIGHT NOW. AND WHAT THEY'RE ALL WAITING FOR AND WHAT THEY'RE ALL WAITING FOR ARE THINGS THAT YOU CANNOT -- WE ARE THINGS THAT YOU CANNOT -- WE CAN'T PREDICT. CAN'T PREDICT. AND WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE AND WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE FUTURE HOLDS. FUTURE HOLDS. >> DONNA, I WANT YOU TO TALK >> DONNA, I WANT YOU TO TALK ABOUT -- YOU BROUGHT UP YOUR TV ABOUT -- YOU BROUGHT UP YOUR TV HUSBAND, CHRIS CHRISTIE, FORMER HUSBAND, CHRIS CHRISTIE, FORMER ABC NEWS CONTRIBUTOR, FORMER ABC NEWS CONTRIBUTOR, FORMER GOVERNOR OF NEW JERSEY. GOVERNOR OF NEW JERSEY. HE'S ONE WHO'S DIRECTLY TAKING HE'S ONE WHO'S DIRECTLY TAKING ON DONALD TRUMP. ON DONALD TRUMP. WAY MORE SO THAN ANYONE ELSE. WAY MORE SO THAN ANYONE ELSE. WILL THAT RESONATE? WILL THAT RESONATE? >> ABSOLUTELY. >> ABSOLUTELY. LET ME SAY A GOOD WORD ABOUT LET ME SAY A GOOD WORD ABOUT CHRIS CHRISTIE. CHRIS CHRISTIE. I HOPE HE DOESN'T DISAVOW HIS I HOPE HE DOESN'T DISAVOW HIS FORMER TV WIFE NOW THAT I'M A FORMER TV WIFE NOW THAT I'M A POLITICAL WIDOW. POLITICAL WIDOW. HERE'S THE POINT. HERE'S THE POINT. CHRIS KNOWS HOW TO BEAT HIM. CHRIS KNOWS HOW TO BEAT HIM. CHRIS KNOWS DONALD TRUMP. CHRIS KNOWS DONALD TRUMP. HE KNOWS HOW TO GET INTO HIS HE KNOWS HOW TO GET INTO HIS SKIN. SKIN. I THINK THAT'S GOING TO -- I THINK THAT'S GOING TO -- >> HE DIDN'T BEAT HIM LAST TIME. >> HE DIDN'T BEAT HIM LAST TIME. >> LOOK, WINNING ISN'T ALWAYS >> LOOK, WINNING ISN'T ALWAYS DECLARING VICTORY. DECLARING VICTORY. IT'S ABOUT HOW TO TAKE ON A IT'S ABOUT HOW TO TAKE ON A CHALLENGER LIKE DONALD TRUMP. CHALLENGER LIKE DONALD TRUMP. IT'S A DELICATE DANCE TO NOT IT'S A DELICATE DANCE TO NOT ONLY COURT THE SUPPORTERS ONLY COURT THE SUPPORTERS WITHOUT ALIENATING THEM, BUT TO WITHOUT ALIENATING THEM, BUT TO ALSO GIVE THE OTHER REPUBLICANS ALSO GIVE THE OTHER REPUBLICANS CANDIDATES AN OPENING. CANDIDATES AN OPENING. I THINK CHRIS CHRISTIE IS WELL I THINK CHRIS CHRISTIE IS WELL POSITIONED, IF HE CAN RAISE THE POSITIONED, IF HE CAN RAISE THE MONEY, BECAUSE THE RULES TO GET MONEY, BECAUSE THE RULES TO GET ON THE REPUBLICAN STAGE THIS ON THE REPUBLICAN STAGE THIS TIME, IS THERE WON'T BE A KIDDIE TIME, IS THERE WON'T BE A KIDDIE DEBATE, IS TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, DEBATE, IS TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, 400,000 -- 400,000 -- >> 40,000. >> 40,000. >> 40,000 -- LET ME GET IT >> 40,000 -- LET ME GET IT RIGHT. RIGHT. >> A LOT OF SMALL DONATIONS, PUT >> A LOT OF SMALL DONATIONS, PUT IT THAT WAY. IT THAT WAY. >> I WROTE IT DOWN, BECAUSE I'M >> I WROTE IT DOWN, BECAUSE I'M NOT A REPUBLICAN. NOT A REPUBLICAN. CHRIS WILL HAVE TO DO THAT. CHRIS WILL HAVE TO DO THAT. HE WILL BE A STRONG CHALLENGER. HE WILL BE A STRONG CHALLENGER. HE WILL HELP THE REST OF THE HE WILL HELP THE REST OF THE FIELD. FIELD. I HAVE TO MAKE FUN OF I HAVE TO MAKE FUN OF MR. DESANTIS. MR. DESANTIS. HOPE TO SEE HIM ONE DAY, SO I HOPE TO SEE HIM ONE DAY, SO I CAN LOOSEN HIM UP. CAN LOOSEN HIM UP. I THINK I CAN LOOSEN HIM UP A I THINK I CAN LOOSEN HIM UP A LITTLE BIT. LITTLE BIT. HE SAID HE'S THE BEST HE SAID HE'S THE BEST CONSERVATIVE RUNNING. CONSERVATIVE RUNNING. HE SAID HE'S MORE CONSERVATIVE HE SAID HE'S MORE CONSERVATIVE THAN TRUMP. THAN TRUMP. THAT'S THE ARGUMENT HE WILL THAT'S THE ARGUMENT HE WILL MAKE. MAKE. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT GAINS I DON'T KNOW IF THAT GAINS ATTRACTION. ATTRACTION. BECAUSE HIS AGENDA IN FLORIDA BECAUSE HIS AGENDA IN FLORIDA WAS NOT A FREEDOM AGENDA. WAS NOT A FREEDOM AGENDA. IT WAS AN ANTI-FREEDOM AGENDA. IT WAS AN ANTI-FREEDOM AGENDA. >> MIKE PENCE GETTING IN, HOW HE >> MIKE PENCE GETTING IN, HOW HE DID IN IOWA. DID IN IOWA. >> I THINK THE FORMER PRESIDENT >> I THINK THE FORMER PRESIDENT IS IN A VERY AWKWARD POSITION. IS IN A VERY AWKWARD POSITION. HE'S RUNNING AGAINST THE PERSON HE'S RUNNING AGAINST THE PERSON WHO BROUGHT HIM ON TO THE WHO BROUGHT HIM ON TO THE NATIONAL TICKET. NATIONAL TICKET. RUNNING AGAINST THE PERSON HE RUNNING AGAINST THE PERSON HE SERVED LOYALLY FOR MOST OF FOUR SERVED LOYALLY FOR MOST OF FOUR YEARS UNTIL JANUARY 6th. YEARS UNTIL JANUARY 6th. WHAT'S HIS CASE AGAINST DONALD WHAT'S HIS CASE AGAINST DONALD TRUMP? TRUMP? AT SOME POINT HE HAS TO MAKE AN AT SOME POINT HE HAS TO MAKE AN EXPLICIT CASE -- EXPLICIT CASE -- >> BEYOND JANUARY 6th. >> BEYOND JANUARY 6th. >> RIGHT. >> RIGHT. WHICH HE DIDN'T MENTION AT ALL WHICH HE DIDN'T MENTION AT ALL YESTERDAY. YESTERDAY. WE'LL SEE IF HE DOES LATER THIS WE'LL SEE IF HE DOES LATER THIS WEEK. WEEK. HE HAS TO MAKE AN EXPLICIT CASE HE HAS TO MAKE AN EXPLICIT CASE WHY DONALD TRUMP IS UNFIT TO BE WHY DONALD TRUMP IS UNFIT TO BE PRESIDENT AGAIN, BECAUSE HE'LL PRESIDENT AGAIN, BECAUSE HE'LL TAKE CREDIT, AS HE DID IN IOWA TAKE CREDIT, AS HE DID IN IOWA YESTERDAY, FOR A LOT OF THE YESTERDAY, FOR A LOT OF THE POLICIES THAT THEY HAD IN THOSE POLICIES THAT THEY HAD IN THOSE FOUR YEARS. FOUR YEARS. SO I THINK HE'S IN A TOUGH SO I THINK HE'S IN A TOUGH POSITION. POSITION. BUT CLEARLY HE SEES AN OPENING BUT CLEARLY HE SEES AN OPENING IN IOWA, BECAUSE IN IOWA, YOU IN IOWA, BECAUSE IN IOWA, YOU KNOW, EVANGELICAL CHRISTIANS KNOW, EVANGELICAL CHRISTIANS HAVE A VERY STRONG VOICE IN HAVE A VERY STRONG VOICE IN THOSE CAUCUSES. THOSE CAUCUSES. I THINK THAT HE WILL PUSH TO TRY I THINK THAT HE WILL PUSH TO TRY TO FIND THAT SPACE IN ORDER TO TO FIND THAT SPACE IN ORDER TO BREAK OUT IN IOWA. BREAK OUT IN IOWA. IT'S A TOUGH PATH FOR HIM. IT'S A TOUGH PATH FOR HIM. >> MARY, YOU COVERED THE BIDEN >> MARY, YOU COVERED THE BIDEN CAMPAIGN IN 2020. CAMPAIGN IN 2020. YOU'RE OBVIOUSLY GOING TO BE OUT YOU'RE OBVIOUSLY GOING TO BE OUT THERE AGAIN COVERING CAMPAIGNS. THERE AGAIN COVERING CAMPAIGNS. JOE BIDEN NAVIGATED A SIMILARLY JOE BIDEN NAVIGATED A SIMILARLY LARGE FIELD. LARGE FIELD. REPUBLICANS HAVE ANY LESSONS TO REPUBLICANS HAVE ANY LESSONS TO LEARN? LEARN? >> IT'S A GOOD QUESTION. >> IT'S A GOOD QUESTION. I THINK BACK TO 2020, AND FOR A I THINK BACK TO 2020, AND FOR A LONG TIME BIDEN'S CAMPAIGN WAS LONG TIME BIDEN'S CAMPAIGN WAS BASICALLY WRITTEN OFF FOR DEAD. BASICALLY WRITTEN OFF FOR DEAD. HE FIZZLED IN THE EARLY HE FIZZLED IN THE EARLY CHALLENGES. CHALLENGES. A COUPLE THINGS STAND OUT, A COUPLE THINGS STAND OUT, RIGHT? RIGHT? HE ALSO HAD A CONSISTENT HE ALSO HAD A CONSISTENT MESSAGE. MESSAGE. HE STILL DOES. HE STILL DOES. HE'S RUNNING BASICALLY ON THE HE'S RUNNING BASICALLY ON THE SAME MESSAGE NOW. SAME MESSAGE NOW. I DO THINK HE ALSO BENEFITED I DO THINK HE ALSO BENEFITED FROM THAT PILE-ON EFFECT ON THE FROM THAT PILE-ON EFFECT ON THE EARLY FRONTRUNNERS. EARLY FRONTRUNNERS. I THINK BACK TO THAT SOUTH I THINK BACK TO THAT SOUTH CAROLINA DEBATE WHERE EVERYONE CAROLINA DEBATE WHERE EVERYONE SORT OF HAMMERED BERNIE SANDERS. SORT OF HAMMERED BERNIE SANDERS. I'M NOT SURE THAT APPLIES HERE, I'M NOT SURE THAT APPLIES HERE, THOUGH, WHEN YOU'RE DEALING WITH THOUGH, WHEN YOU'RE DEALING WITH TEFLON DONALD TRUMP, WHO SIMPLY TEFLON DONALD TRUMP, WHO SIMPLY SEEMS TO WELCOME A LARGER FIELD. SEEMS TO WELCOME A LARGER FIELD. HE THINKS THAT WILL HELP HIM. HE THINKS THAT WILL HELP HIM. I'M NOT SURE HOW MANY OF THOSE I'M NOT SURE HOW MANY OF THOSE LESSONS NECESSARILY APPLY, LESSONS NECESSARILY APPLY, BECAUSE TRUMP ALWAYS BREAKS THE BECAUSE TRUMP ALWAYS BREAKS THE MOLD. MOLD. >> BUT EVERYONE IS WATCHING. >> BUT EVERYONE IS WATCHING. REINCE, YOU TALKED ABOUT THE NEW REINCE, YOU TALKED ABOUT THE NEW DEBATE RULES, THE 40,000 DEBATE RULES, THE 40,000 INDIVIDUAL CAMPAIGN DONORS, 1% INDIVIDUAL CAMPAIGN DONORS, 1% IN MULTIPLE NATIONAL POLLS, BUT IN MULTIPLE NATIONAL POLLS, BUT THIS ONE, WHICH IS NEW, A PLEDGE THIS ONE, WHICH IS NEW, A PLEDGE OF SUPPORT FOR THE EVENTUAL OF SUPPORT FOR THE EVENTUAL NOMINEE. NOMINEE. WHY THAT? WHY THAT? WHY NOW? WHY NOW? >> IT'S REALLY NOT NEW. >> IT'S REALLY NOT NEW. WE DID IT IN 2016, IF YOU WE DID IT IN 2016, IF YOU REMEMBER THE FAMOUS -- REMEMBER THE FAMOUS -- >> RAISING THE HANDS AND -- >> RAISING THE HANDS AND -- >> -- TOWER TO GET THE PRESIDENT >> -- TOWER TO GET THE PRESIDENT TO SIGN THE PLEDGE. TO SIGN THE PLEDGE. HERE'S THE PROBLEM. HERE'S THE PROBLEM. NATIONAL PARTY, THIS IS THE NATIONAL PARTY, THIS IS THE NOMINATION FOR THE REPUBLICAN NOMINATION FOR THE REPUBLICAN PARTY. PARTY. REPUBLICAN PARTY HAS DATA REPUBLICAN PARTY HAS DATA AGREEMENTS WITH ALL THESE AGREEMENTS WITH ALL THESE CANDIDATES. CANDIDATES. REPUBLICAN PARTY SAYS I'M GOING REPUBLICAN PARTY SAYS I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU ALL OF OUR DATA, OUR TO GIVE YOU ALL OF OUR DATA, OUR MOST VALUABLE RESOURCE, AND MOST VALUABLE RESOURCE, AND YOU'RE GOING TO USE IT AND YOU'RE GOING TO USE IT AND YOU'RE GOING TO EXCHANGE DATA YOU'RE GOING TO EXCHANGE DATA BACK TO THE RNC. BACK TO THE RNC. I'M NOT GOING TO GIVE THAT DATA I'M NOT GOING TO GIVE THAT DATA TO A CANDIDATE THAT'S GOING TO TO A CANDIDATE THAT'S GOING TO TELL ME THEY'RE NOT GOING TO TELL ME THEY'RE NOT GOING TO SUPPORT THE NOMINEE. SUPPORT THE NOMINEE. SO IF YOU WANT TO GET THE DATA, SO IF YOU WANT TO GET THE DATA, RUN FOR OUR PARTY NOMINATION, RUN FOR OUR PARTY NOMINATION, THESE ARE THE RULES. THESE ARE THE RULES. THERE'S LOTS OF PARTIES. THERE'S LOTS OF PARTIES. GO RUN IN THE INDEPENDENT PARTY, GO RUN IN THE INDEPENDENT PARTY, FARM LABOR PARTY, DO WHAT YOU FARM LABOR PARTY, DO WHAT YOU WANT, BUT IF YOU WANT TO BE THE WANT, BUT IF YOU WANT TO BE THE NOMINEE OF OUR PARTY YOU FOLLOW NOMINEE OF OUR PARTY YOU FOLLOW OUR RULES. OUR RULES. >> AND WILL DONALD TRUMP APPEAR >> AND WILL DONALD TRUMP APPEAR ON THE DEBATE STAGE, DO YOU ON THE DEBATE STAGE, DO YOU THINK? THINK? >> I THINK HE WILL DEFINITELY >> I THINK HE WILL DEFINITELY WILL APPEAR ON THE DEBATE STAGE. WILL APPEAR ON THE DEBATE STAGE. >> YOU THINK HE DEFINITELY WILL. >> YOU THINK HE DEFINITELY WILL. DONNA, DEMOCRATS HAVE SIMILAR DONNA, DEMOCRATS HAVE SIMILAR DEBATE REQUIREMENTS. DEBATE REQUIREMENTS. IS THIS THE WAY TO GO? IS THIS THE WAY TO GO? IS IT FAIR? IS IT FAIR? ASA HUTCHINSON COMPLAINING ABOUT ASA HUTCHINSON COMPLAINING ABOUT THEM. THEM. >> I THINK IT'S MORE THAN FAIR. >> I THINK IT'S MORE THAN FAIR. IF YOU'RE ABLE TO STRIKE FIRE IN IF YOU'RE ABLE TO STRIKE FIRE IN THE EARLY STATES, ACCRUE THE THE EARLY STATES, ACCRUE THE EARLY SUPPORT BY GETTING $5 AND EARLY SUPPORT BY GETTING $5 AND $10 DONATIONS FROM EVERYDAY $10 DONATIONS FROM EVERYDAY AMERICANS, THEN YOU'RE NOT FIT AMERICANS, THEN YOU'RE NOT FIT TO RUN THE GAMUT. TO RUN THE GAMUT. TO RUN THE GAMBIT. TO RUN THE GAMBIT. REPUBLICANS HAVE DIFFERENT RULES REPUBLICANS HAVE DIFFERENT RULES WHEN IT COMES TO ACCUMULATING WHEN IT COMES TO ACCUMULATING DELEGATES. DELEGATES. AFTER YOU GET OUT OF THE EARLY AFTER YOU GET OUT OF THE EARLY STATES, IT'S WINNER-TAKE-ALL ON STATES, IT'S WINNER-TAKE-ALL ON SUPER TUESDAY STATES ON SUPER TUESDAY STATES ON MARCH 5th. MARCH 5th. IF YOU CAN'T STRIKE FIRE EARLY, IF YOU CAN'T STRIKE FIRE EARLY, HMM, YOU'RE GOING TO BURN OUT HMM, YOU'RE GOING TO BURN OUT QUICKLY. QUICKLY. >> MARY, I WANT TO TURN TO THE >> MARY, I WANT TO TURN TO THE DEBT CEILING, WHICH YOU'VE DEBT CEILING, WHICH YOU'VE COVERING FOR MONTHS. COVERING FOR MONTHS. >> FOREVER. >> FOREVER. >> FOREVER. >> FOREVER. PRESIDENT BIDEN HAS STRESSED PRESIDENT BIDEN HAS STRESSED BIPARTISANSHIP. BIPARTISANSHIP. THAT'S CLEARLY A MESSAGE GOING THAT'S CLEARLY A MESSAGE GOING FORWARD. FORWARD. IS THAT ENOUGH? IS THAT ENOUGH? >> YEAH. >> YEAH. WE CLEARLY HEARD A BIG TEMPLATE WE CLEARLY HEARD A BIG TEMPLATE OF HIS CAMPAIGN MESSAGE. OF HIS CAMPAIGN MESSAGE. THE WHITE HOUSE BELIEVES THIS THE WHITE HOUSE BELIEVES THIS FIGHT WAS A GOOD EXAMPLE OF FIGHT WAS A GOOD EXAMPLE OF BIDEN CAN MAKE GOOD ON THE BIDEN CAN MAKE GOOD ON THE PROMISE TO REACH ACROSS THE PROMISE TO REACH ACROSS THE AISLE AND GET SOMETHING DONE AISLE AND GET SOMETHING DONE WHILE ALSO PRESERVING HIS WHILE ALSO PRESERVING HIS PRIORITIES, RIGHT? PRIORITIES, RIGHT? THEY DON'T FEEL HE GAVE UP TOO THEY DON'T FEEL HE GAVE UP TOO MUCH ON HIS ECONOMIC AGENDA MUCH ON HIS ECONOMIC AGENDA HERE. HERE. I WILL SAY, THOUGH, I THINK WE I WILL SAY, THOUGH, I THINK WE HAVE TO BE REAL ABOUT THIS, HAVE TO BE REAL ABOUT THIS, NEGOTIATING A BIPARTISAN DEAL NEGOTIATING A BIPARTISAN DEAL WHEN THE GLOBAL ECONOMY IS ON WHEN THE GLOBAL ECONOMY IS ON THE BRINK OF DISASTER IS A THE BRINK OF DISASTER IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN ARGUING, AS WE'VE SEEN THE ARGUING, AS WE'VE SEEN THE PRESIDENT AND THE SPEAKER -- PRESIDENT AND THE SPEAKER -- >> YOU'VE SEEN A CHANGE IN >> YOU'VE SEEN A CHANGE IN WASHINGTON. WASHINGTON. >> I WOULDN'T HOLD YOUR BREATH >> I WOULDN'T HOLD YOUR BREATH FOR A LOT OF BIPARTISAN KUMBAYA FOR A LOT OF BIPARTISAN KUMBAYA MOMENTS GOING FORWARD. MOMENTS GOING FORWARD. >> DAN, OF COURSE, WHATEVER >> DAN, OF COURSE, WHATEVER MESSAGE THE WHITE HOUSE WANTS TO MESSAGE THE WHITE HOUSE WANTS TO GIVE OUT, HAVING THE PRESIDENT GIVE OUT, HAVING THE PRESIDENT IN THE OVAL OFFICE THIS WEEK, WE IN THE OVAL OFFICE THIS WEEK, WE SAW AN IMAGE THAT STAYED WITH A SAW AN IMAGE THAT STAYED WITH A LOT OF PEOPLE, AND THAT IS THE LOT OF PEOPLE, AND THAT IS THE PRESIDENT FALLING DOWN AFTER PRESIDENT FALLING DOWN AFTER THAT AIR FORCE COMMENCEMENT THAT AIR FORCE COMMENCEMENT SPEECH. SPEECH. HOW DOES THAT PLAY? HOW DOES THAT PLAY? WE TALK ABOUT THIS EVERY WEEK. WE TALK ABOUT THIS EVERY WEEK. THAT VOTERS ARE LEGITIMATELY THAT VOTERS ARE LEGITIMATELY CONCERNED ABOUT PRESIDENT CONCERNED ABOUT PRESIDENT BIDEN'S AGE. BIDEN'S AGE. >> TWO THINGS, MARTHA. >> TWO THINGS, MARTHA. ONE IS WE KNOW THAT MOST ONE IS WE KNOW THAT MOST AMERICANS HAVE NO ENTHUSIASM FOR AMERICANS HAVE NO ENTHUSIASM FOR A REMATCH BETWEEN THE FORMER A REMATCH BETWEEN THE FORMER PRESIDENT AND THE CURRENT PRESIDENT AND THE CURRENT PRESIDENT. PRESIDENT. THAT'S POINT ONE. THAT'S POINT ONE. BUT IT DOESN'T MEAN IF THAT IS BUT IT DOESN'T MEAN IF THAT IS THE REMATCH THAT PEOPLE WILL NOT THE REMATCH THAT PEOPLE WILL NOT IN A SENSE TAKE TRADITIONAL IN A SENSE TAKE TRADITIONAL SIDES, THAT THEY WILL MOVE TO SIDES, THAT THEY WILL MOVE TO THE RED CAMP AND THE BLUE CAMP. THE RED CAMP AND THE BLUE CAMP. AGE IS CERTAINLY A FACTOR FOR AGE IS CERTAINLY A FACTOR FOR BOTH MEN, BUT MORE SO FOR THE BOTH MEN, BUT MORE SO FOR THE PRESIDENT BECAUSE HE'S OLDER AND PRESIDENT BECAUSE HE'S OLDER AND BECAUSE HE'S SHOWN SOME SIGNS OF BECAUSE HE'S SHOWN SOME SIGNS OF THAT AGING. THAT AGING. BUT I THINK IN THE END PEOPLE BUT I THINK IN THE END PEOPLE WILL NOT NECESSARILY MAKE THEIR WILL NOT NECESSARILY MAKE THEIR DECISION ON THAT. DECISION ON THAT. THEY'RE GOING TO MAKE THEIR THEY'RE GOING TO MAKE THEIR DECISION ON WHAT EACH CANDIDATE, DECISION ON WHAT EACH CANDIDATE, WHO'S THE NOMINEE, IS OFFERING WHO'S THE NOMINEE, IS OFFERING THE COUNTRY, AND THE ARGUMENTS THE COUNTRY, AND THE ARGUMENTS BETWEEN THE TWO ABOUT THE BETWEEN THE TWO ABOUT THE DANGERS OF THE OTHER BECOMING DANGERS OF THE OTHER BECOMING PRESIDENT. PRESIDENT. ULTIMATELY WE GET DOWN TO THAT ULTIMATELY WE GET DOWN TO THAT IN THE FINAL STAGE. IN THE FINAL STAGE. BUT AS THE PRESIDENT HAS SAID, BUT AS THE PRESIDENT HAS SAID, AGE IS AN IMPORTANT ISSUE. AGE IS AN IMPORTANT ISSUE. AND VOTERS SHOULD BE THINKING AND VOTERS SHOULD BE THINKING ABOUT THAT. ABOUT THAT. >> QUICK THOUGHT FROM YOU THERE, >> QUICK THOUGHT FROM YOU THERE, REINCE, JUST TO WRAP IT UP. REINCE, JUST TO WRAP IT UP. >> OH, WELL, LOOK, AS TO THE >> OH, WELL, LOOK, AS TO THE DEBT CEILING, MOST PREDICTABLE DEBT CEILING, MOST PREDICTABLE THING, YOU KNOW, AS PREDICTABLE THING, YOU KNOW, AS PREDICTABLE AS THE DETROIT LIONS NOT MAKING AS THE DETROIT LIONS NOT MAKING THE SUPER BOWL. THE SUPER BOWL. I THINK KEVIN McCARTHY DID A I THINK KEVIN McCARTHY DID A GREAT JOB. GREAT JOB. BOTH SIDES SAYING THEY CAN WIN. BOTH SIDES SAYING THEY CAN WIN. TO DAN'S POINT, YOU HAVE TO TO DAN'S POINT, YOU HAVE TO IMAGINE THAT BOTH PARTIES ARE IN IMAGINE THAT BOTH PARTIES ARE IN A HUGE ROOM, AND THEY ARE A HUGE ROOM, AND THEY ARE TALKING TO EACH OTHER ABOUT WHO TALKING TO EACH OTHER ABOUT WHO THEY WANT TO EMERGE FROM THAT THEY WANT TO EMERGE FROM THAT ROOM. ROOM. IT'S NOT THE MEDIA. IT'S NOT THE MEDIA. IT'S NOT PEOPLE IN THE MIDDLE. IT'S NOT PEOPLE IN THE MIDDLE. IT'S NOT PEOPLE READING IT'S NOT PEOPLE READING NECESSARILY ALL THE THINGS THAT NECESSARILY ALL THE THINGS THAT YOU'RE ALL READING. YOU'RE ALL READING. MOST LIKELY YOU'RE GOING TO GET MOST LIKELY YOU'RE GOING TO GET THE PEOPLE THAT -- AT THIS POINT THE PEOPLE THAT -- AT THIS POINT THAT DAN IS REFERRING TO, THE THAT DAN IS REFERRING TO, THE PRESIDENT AND FORMER PRESIDENT. PRESIDENT AND FORMER PRESIDENT. >>