Transcript for NY AG investigating MSG for use of facial recognition to ban attendees
PLACES.
IT'S NOT JUST LAW ENFORCEMENT
WATCHING.
HERE'S ABC'S MONA KOSAR ABDI.
>> Reporter: IT'S GAME DAY AT
MADISON SQUARE GARDEN.
BUT UNBEKNOWNST TO ATTORNEY
BENJAMIN NORREN, HE'S BEEN
TRACKED WITH FACIAL RECOGNITION
SOFTWARE.
>> YOUR TICKET IS NOT VALID.
>> Reporter: ULTIMATELY DENIED
ENTRY TO THE KNICKS GAME.
>> YOUR TICKET HAS BEEN REVOKED
AND YOU ARE NOT INCLUDED IN.
>> Reporter: HIS COLLEAGUE
BARRED AS WELL.
>> I'VE BEEN A KNICK FAN MY
ENTIRE LIFE.
I MET MY WIFE AT MADISON SQUARE
GARDEN.
THE REASON I ACTUALLY ASKED HER
OUT ON A DATE WAS THAT SHE KNEW
WHO THE KNICKS' FIRST-ROUND
DRAFT PICK WAS IN 1980.
THE GARDEN SENT ME A JERSEY WITH
MY NAME ON IT.
>> Reporter: THE LIFELONG NEW
YORKER HAS BEEN A KNICKS SEASON
TICKET HOLDER FOR OVER 40 YEARS.
>> I WAS WORKING, AND I WAS ABLE
TO BUY A KNICKS SEASON
SUBSCRIPTION.
IT WAS 1976.
I THINK THE TICKETS WERE $12.50
EACH.
AND IT WAS LIKE ONE OF THE GREAT
MOMENTS OF MY LIFE THAT I HAD
SEASON TICKETS.
AND I HAVE HAD THOSE SEATS UP
UNTIL THEY WERE REVOKED OR
TERMINATED BY MADISON SQUARE
GARDEN FOR OVER 47 YEARS.
>> Reporter: NORREN AND HUTCHER
TWO OF SEVERAL ATTORNEYS THAT
HAVE BEEN DENIED ENTRY INTO MSG
ENTERTAINMENT FOR BEING INVOLVED
IN LAWSUITS AGAINST MSG
ENTERTAINMENT.
SOME BEING PICKED OUT OF THE
CROWD BY SPECIAL CAMERAS THAT
CAN IMMEDIATELY IDENTIFY PEOPLE.
IN YOUR OPINION, THEY'RE 100%
RETALIATING FOR YOU AGAINST THIS
CASE?
>> UNEQUIVOCALLY.
I HAVE NEVER HAD ACTION TAKEN
AGAINST ME AS A LAWYER BECAUSE
OF SOMETHING I HAVE DONE WITHIN
THE CONTEXT OF MY JOB.
>> Reporter: THE PRACTICE USING
FACIAL RECOGNITION TO BAN PEOPLE
IS RAISING ETHICAL AND LEGAL
QUESTIONS WITH POTENTIAL RIPPLE
EFFECTS BEYOND MADISON SQUARE
GARDEN.
>> IT IS VERY DYSTOPIAN.
IT IS VERY 1984-ISH.
HOW FAR IS THIS TECHNOLOGY GOING
TO GO THAT PEOPLE ARE GOING TO
BE ABLE TO USE THIS TYPE OF
TECHNOLOGY TO -- TO TAKE ACTION
THAT IS CLEARLY NOT WHAT IT WAS
ORIGINALLY INTENDED?
IT'S FRIGHTENING.
>> Reporter: TODAY, NEW YORK
STATE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE
ANNOUNCED THAT THEY WERE LOOKING
INTO MSG ENTERTAINMENT'S
CONTROVERSIAL USE OF FACIAL
RECOGNITION, ADDING THAT THE
PRACTICE MAY VIOLATE THE NEW
YORK CIVIL AND HUMAN RIGHTS
LAWS.
AN MSG SPOKESPERSON TELLING ABC
NEWS IN PART, "IT IS NOT OUR
INTENT TO DISSUADE ATTORNEYS
FROM REPRESENTING PLAINTIFFS IN
LITIGATION AGAINST US.
TO EVEN SUGGEST ANYONE IS BEING
EXCLUDED BASED ON THE PROTECTED
CLASSES IDENTIFIED IN STATE AND
FEDERAL CIVIL RIGHTS LAWS IS
LUDICROUS."
>> SO FACE RECOGNITION USE BY A
PRIVATE COMPANY, BY
ENTERTAINMENT VENUES, IS PRETTY
COMMON THESE DAYS.
I THINK WHAT IS UNUSUAL ABOUT
THIS SITUATION IS THAT MADISON
SQUARE GARDEN WAS USING IT TO
IDENTIFY PEOPLE AND KICK THEM
OUT OF THE VENUE FOR NO REAL
REASON.
>> Reporter: THREE NEW YORK
STATE LAWMAKERS HAVE ALSO
INTRODUCED A BILL TO UPDATE A
CIVIL RIGHTS LAW PROTECTING
PEOPLE'S RIGHTS TO ATTEND PUBLIC
PERFORMANCES, EXTENDING IT TO
SPORTS.
>> YOU'RE NOT PERMITTED TO
REFUSE ADMISSION OR TO EJECT
OTHERWISE PEACEABLE PEOPLE FROM
A PUBLIC PERFORMANCE.
AND THIS IS REALLY AIMED AT
PERFORMANCES AT MUSIC HALLS,
SO-CALLED LEGITIMATE THEATERS,
BURLESQUE THEATERS, OPERA
HOUSES, DANCE HALLS.
SO IT MAY BE THAT NEW YORK LAW
WOULD SAY YOU CAN'T EXCLUDE
PEOPLE FROM MARIAH CAREY, BUT
YOU COULD EXCLUDE PEOPLE FROM
THE KNICKS.
>> ALL THE GREAT KNICK TEAMS OF
THE '90s --
>> Reporter: LARRY HUTCHER AND
HIS TEAM HAVE TAKEN LEGAL ACTION
CITING THAT CIVIL RIGHTS LAW.
WHAT WOULD YOU SAY TO SOMEONE
WHO'S, "TOUGH LUCK, YOU'RE
BANNED FROM A BASKETBALL GAME
SDWRIRKS?
BASKETBALL GAME, IT DOESN'T GO -
TO THE HEART OF IT.
IT IS A CONNECTION TO THE CITY,
TO THE PLAYERS.
TO DISMISS IT AS, IT'S JUST A
BASKETBALL GAME, THAT'S WHAT
LIFE IS.
THAT'S WHAT MAKES LIFE WORTH
LIVING.
THESE TYPES OF CONNECTIONS.
AND IT'S MEANINGFUL.
>> I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYONE
THAT'S MORE PROUD TO BE FROM
BROOKLYN OR FROM NEW YORK THAN
ME, AND THERE'S NO PLACE I'D
RATHER BE.
>> Reporter: ATTORNEY BEN
PANCHESKY IS BORN AND RAISED IN
NEW YORK, LONGTIME FAN OF THE
CITY'S LEGENDARY SPORTS
FRANCHISES.
>> I'VE BEEN A RANGER AND KNICK
FAN MY ENTIRE LIFE.
MADISON SQUARE GARDEN TO ME WAS
THE MECCA.
>> Reporter: HE'S A FIERCE
ADVOCATE FOR THE DOWNTRODDEN.
AS DOCUMENTED IN A 2010 EPISODE
OF ABC'S "WHAT WOULD YOU DO?"
>> STOP NOW.
>> Reporter: WHERE HE STOOD UP
FOR A WOMAN BEING HARASSED ON
HIDDEN CAMERA.
>> A LOT OF PEOPLE WOULD SAY
THAT'S HEROIC.
>> IT'S NOT HEROIC, IT'S THE
RIGHT THING.
IF PEOPLE BEHAVED THAT WAY, WE
WOULDN'T HAVE ALL THESE
PROBLEMS.
>> Reporter: HE WAS ALSO BARRED
ENTRY FROM MSG
ENTERTAINMENT-OWNED PROPERTIES.
JANUARY 10th, KICKED OUT OF A
RANGERS GAME.
AT FIRST HE SAYS HE DIDN'T
UNDERSTAND WHY.
>> THREE GENTLEMEN COME OVER TO
ME, DRESSED IN MADISON SQUARE
GARDEN SECURITY UNIFORMS, THEY
SAY, "ARE YOU BENJAMIN
PANCHESKY?"
"YES, I AM."
"DO YOU HAVE IDENTIFICATION?"
"WHAT'S THIS ABOUT?"
THEY GIVE ME A PIECE OF PAPER.
IT SAYS BECAUSE WE'RE
REPRESENTING A PLAINTIFF IN A
LAWSUIT AGAINST MADISON SQUARE
GARDEN, I'M BANNED FROM ENTERING
THE GARDEN.
I LOOK AT THE PIECE OF PAPER.
I SAY TO HIM, "ARE YOU KIDDING
ME?
ARE YOU SERIOUS?"
THEY ESCORTED ME OUT OF THE
BUILDING IN FRONT OF EVERYONE,
AND I WAS BACK IN THE STREET.
SO I GOT MYSELF A PRETZEL AND I
WENT HOME.
>> Reporter: AN MSG SPOKESPERSON
SAYING IN A STATEMENT, "MSG
INSTITUTED A STRAIGHTFORWARD
POLICY THAT PRECLUDES ATTORNEYS
FROM FIRMS PURSUING ACTIVE
LITIGATION AGAINST THE COMPANY
FROM ATTENDING EVENTS AT OUR
VENUES UNTIL THAT LITIGATION HAS
BEEN RESOLVED."
ADDING, "IMPACTED ATTORNEYS WILL
BE WELCOMED BACK TO OUR VENUES
UPON RESOLUTION OF THE
LITIGATION."
FACIAL RECOGNITION IS BECOMING
INCREASINGLY COMMON AMONG
PRIVATE COMPANIES.
SOME RETAILERS USE IT TO
IDENTIFY SHOPLIFTERS WITH SOME
CASINOS USING IT TO KEEP OUT
GAMBLERS THEY FEAR MAY CHEAT.
>> CONSISTS OF TAKING AN IMAGE,
EXTRACTING FEATURES FROM THE
FACE, AND THEN MATCHING THOSE
FEATURES AGAINST FEATURES STORED
IN A DATABASE OF IMAGES OF
PEOPLE.
>> Reporter: DR. METAXAS AND HIS
TEAM AT RUTGERS UNIVERSITY WORK
ON FACIAL RECOGNITION
TECHNOLOGY.
HIS LAB HAS RECEIVED FUNDING
FROM ALL MAJOR GOVERNMENT
AGENCIES, INCLUDING NASA.
>> BASICALLY, IT FINDS KEY
POINTS ON THE FACE -- EYEBROWS,
EYES, THE PERIMETER OF THE FACE
AND THE MOUTH.
>> WHAT IS THE MOST IMPORTANT
FEATURE THAT IT'S PICKING UP ON
RIGHT HERE?
>> BOTH SHAPE AND TEXTURE.
SHAPE IS VERY IMPORTANT BECAUSE
THAT MAKES IT VERY ACCURATE.
>> Reporter: THE TECHNOLOGY IS
SO ADVANCED THAT WEARING GLASSES
OR DIFFERENT HAIRSTYLES --
>> AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, IT
PICKED UP HER FACE.
>> Reporter: OR EVEN A BEARD
CAN'T HELP YOU BEAT THE SYSTEM.
THE TECHNOLOGY, THOUGH VERY
ADVANCED, IS ONLY AS GOOD AS THE
DATABASE THAT IT PULLS FROM.
FOR IT TO ACTUALLY IDENTIFY
SOMEONE BY NAME, THAT PERSON'S
IMAGE MUST ALREADY BE IDENTIFIED
AND UPLOADED INTO A DATABASE.
MANY PHOTOS ARE READILY
AVAILABLE ONLINE.
WHERE DO YOU SEE THIS INDUSTRY
GOING IN THE FUTURE?
>> I SEE THIS TECHNOLOGY,
CAMERAS ARE GETTING BETTER,
COMPUTERS ARE GETTING FASTER.
AND I THINK OVER THE YEARS, IT
WILL BECOME CHEAPER AND USABLE
BY ANYBODY.
>> Reporter: CRITICS SAY FACIAL
RECOGNITION CAN BE PRONE TO
RACIAL BIAS.
STUDIES HAVE SHOWN DISPARITIES
WHEN USING THE TECHNOLOGY.
>> WE CERTAINLY HAVE A LOT OF
INACCURACIES IN FACIAL
RECOGNITION, ESPECIALLY FOR
PEOPLE OF COLOR AND PEOPLE WITH
DARKER SKIN.
ARE GETTING INVOLVED.HE POLICE -
AND SO POLICE ARE COMING TO
PEOPLE'S HOUSES AND ARRESTING
PEOPLE FOR CRIMES THAT THEY
DIDN'T COMMIT.
>> Reporter: BEN PANCHESKY IS
DETERMINED TO FIGHT BACK AGAINST
THE PRACTICE THAT HE BELIEVES IS
MORALLY WRONG.
>> FACIAL RECOGNITION USED TO
BAN PEOPLE, USED TO SELECT
PEOPLE, IS DANGEROUS.
AND IN THE WRONG HANDS CAN LEAD
TO TERRIBLE THINGS.
AND IT COULD BRING US DOWN A
ROAD WHERE THERE MIGHT NOT BE
ANY RETURN FROM.
IT'S IMMORAL, IT'S UNETHICAL,
AND ONE DAY WE WILL MAKE IT
ILLEGAL.
>> Reporter: LARRY HUTCHER IS
HOPING HE WILL SOMEDAY BE ABLE
TO SEE HIS BELOVED KNICKS PLAY
AT HOME AGAIN.
A JUDGE RECENTLY GRANTED A
PRELIMINARY INJUNCTION, ALLOWING
LARRY AND HIS TEAM TO ATTEND
MUSIC AND ENTERTAINMENT EVENTS.
BUT SO FAR, NO SPORTING EVENTS.
WHAT WOULD IT MEAN IF YOU COULD
NEVER GO BACK TO MADISON SQUARE
GARDEN AGAIN?
>> HEARTBROKEN.
HEARTBROKEN.
I LOVE THE KNICKS.
I HOPE I GET MY SEATS BACK,
NOTWITHSTANDING EVERYTHING THAT
HAS TAKEN PLACE, A
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