HIM. >> WE ARE GLAD TO SEE THAT HE'S BACK AT, IT OUR THANKS TO ZHU. INSIDE OF THE COMPLEX WORLD OF MARRIAGE AND FAILED MARRIAGE, WHAT HAPPENS ONCE A UNION ENDS AND A NEW LIFE EMERGES FROM THE OLD ONE? THAT'S PART OF THE EMOTIONAL EXPLANATION OF THE HULU SERIES, IN TROUBLE. THE EX-WIFE HAD THE LEAD CHARACTER PLAYED BY JESSE EISENBERG VANISHES, AND THINGS GET EVEN MORE COMPLICATED. IT'S AN ADAPTATION OF THE 2019 NOVEL OF THE SAME NAME, THAT KEEPS YOU GUESSING. STEPHANIE RAMOS SAT DOWN WITH HIGHS AND BIRD TO TALK ABOUT HIS EMOTIONAL ROLE IN STORYTELLING. >> YOU HAVE REACHED RACHEL. >> TOBY WAS FORCED TO ASK THE QUESTION THAT OCCURRED TO HIM NEARLY EVERY FEW MINUTES SINCE ITS SEPARATION. HOW DID I GET HERE? I >> DIDN'T BECOME A DOCTOR TO GET RACHAEL. I WANT TO MEETING FOR LIFE. MONEY DOESN'T BUY YOU HAPPINESS. >> OF COURSE IT DOES ARE YOU! CRAZY? >> LET'S TALK ABOUT THE SHOW. >> WHY IS HE IN TROUBLE? >> WHEN THE STORY OPENS, I'VE JUST BEEN THROUGH A HORRIBLE DIVORCE, AND I AM FINALLY LEARNING TO TRY TO ACCEPT THINGS AND MOVE FORWARD IN MY LIFE. FOR THE FIRST TIME IN MY LIFE I GO, ON THESE APPS, AND I AM DATING. FOR THE FIRST TIME IN MY LIFE, PEOPLE SEEM TO BE INTERESTED IN ME. I WAS WITH MY WIFE FOR SO LONG, AND BEFORE THAT I WAS, KIND OF A SHY, YOUNG GUY. ULTIMATELY, THE STORY AS IT SHIFTS ALONG YOU REALIZE THAT SOMETHING HAS HAPPENED TO MY WIFE. THE STORY IS NOT AS SIMPLE AS IT SEEMED. >> THIS IS A STORY ABOUT EVERYTHING. IT'S ABOUT LIFE. IT'S ABOUT MARRIAGE, AND HOW YOUNG LOVE CAN BECOME OLD RESENTMENT. JEALOUSY, AMBITION, CAREER. >> I DON'T HAVE TIME TO GET A DIVORCE. THAT'S HIM. >> WOULD YOU SAY TOBY IS THE ANTI-HERO IN THIS STORY? >> THE STORY IS SO BRILLIANT IN THE STRUCTURED TO ASK THE AUDIENCE FOR SYMPATHY FOR TOBY. IT SEEMS LIKE HE'S A GUY WHERE EVERYTHING IS FALLING ON HIM, AND HE'S STRUGGLING TO MAINTAIN HIS SANITY. THE WRITER SO CRAIG CLEVERLY SHIFTS YOUR PERSPECTIVE SO THAT YOUR ALLEGIANCE STARTS SHIFTING BETWEEN MY WIFE, EX-WIFE, AND ME. THE SHOW VERY CLEVERLY SPINS THE KIND OF IDEA FOR MALE SYMPATHY ON ITS HEAD IN A VERY INTERESTING WAY. HOW >> WAS IT WORKING WITH CLAIRE? >> I DIDN'T KNOW CLARE, OBVIOUSLY I HAD GROWN UP IDOLIZING HER SHE'S. LIKE THE GREATEST ACTRESS IN THE WORLD SINCE THE TIME I WAS YOUNG. SHE STARTED QUITE YOUNG. >> RICKY, IN LOVE WITH JORDAN, WE HAVE TO HELP HER. >> IT WAS A BIT SURREAL PLAYING WHEN -- YOU GREW UP WATCHING SOMETHING, YOU THINK OF THEM IN AN UNTOUCHABLE WAY. IT HAD THE SURREAL QUALITY OF BEING WITH HER SHE. SO AMAZING IN THE SHOW. >> IT SEEMS LIKE YOU REALLY TAKE US INTO THIS NEW YORK CITY WORLD WHERE CLAIRE DANE REALLY WANTS TO BE A PART OF IT. >> I HAVE A LINE WHERE I SAY I AM A RICH PERSON, IN EVERY PART OF THIS WORLD AND -- SHE HAS THESE ASPIRATIONS TO LIVE BEYOND HER MEANS, TO HAVE A FANCY AND LUXURIOUS APARTMEN, AND NOT EVER WALK ANYWHERE. I WANT TO WALK EVERYWHERE, AND I'M KIND OF JUST A REGULAR GUY AND, SHE WANTS TO TAKE CARS EVERYWHERE WE. HAVE THIS KIND OF AS ONE OF OUR ONGOING ARGUMENTS. NEW YORK HAS CHANGED A LOT, AND THEY ENDED UP HAVING TO DO A LOT OF DIGITAL EFFECTS TO LOOK CONTEMPORARY SIX. YEARS AGO CONTEMPORARY. THE THIRD EPISODE GOES BACK IN TIME TO 1996 AND TAKES YOU THROUGH ALL OF OUR RELATIONSHIP. IT IS GORGEOUS BECAUSE YOU REALLY SEE THE CHANGING OF NEW YORK THROUGHOUT EACH EPISODE, SHOOTING INSIDE OF THE 90 SECONDS, EVERYTHING WAS SO SPECIFICALLY DONE BECAUSE IT WAS ALL MADE BY PEOPLE WHO WERE FROM HERE, IT WAS NOT LIKE THE KIND OF THINGS WHERE IT IS THIS IDOLIZED OTHER VERSION OF NEW YORK. >> CAN I GET INSTAGRAM? EVERYONE HAS SAID. >> WE'VE ANSWERED THIS BEFORE, NO SOCIAL MEDIA UNTIL YOU'RE 13. >> EVERYBODY. >> YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE A PHONE. IT'S NOT GOOD FOR KIDS AND ANXIETY, YOUR BRAIN IS STILL DEVELOPING. DON'T >> TALK ABOUT IT WE. >> HAVE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT IT. OKAY? HOW >> ABOUT MY EXCITED THAT EVERYONE IS ALWAYS ON IT AND LEAVING ME OUT? >> SHE HAS A POINT. >> YEAH? >> IN THE SERIES WE, ALSO SEE TOBY NAVIGATING PARENTHOOD BEFORE AND AFTER THE DIVORCE. YOU ARE A FATHER YOURSELF, DID THAT CHANGE YOUR APPROACH TO THIS ROLE AT ALL, HAVING KIDS YOURSELF? >> YOU'RE AN ANIMAL. >> I PASSED BY THE POSTER OF THE TV SHOW YESTERDAY WHILE I WAS TRYING TO GET OUT ALL OF MY KIDS STAFF. I JUST REALIZED, IT IS THIS MOMENT OF, THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT THE SHOW IS, I AM THE CLICHÉ OF THE THING, BUT IT'S ALSO REAL. >> YOU'RE DOING SO MUCH, YOUR DAD, YOUR HUSBAND, DIRECTOR, PLAYWRIGHT, AUTHOR. HOW DO YOU DECIDE WHAT PROJECT TO TAKE ON? IT HAS GOT TO BE DIFFICULT TO JUGGLE IT ALL. >> I TRIED TO DO 1000 THINGS, BECAUSE 900 OF THEM WILL NEVER HAPPEN. IT IS CAREER AND THE ARTS, IT'S LIKE YOU'RE LUCKY IF YOU HAVE ANY JOB. I JUST TRY TO STAY BUSY, IT'S NOT LIKE I HAVE A NORMAL JOB. EVERY OTHER HUMAN BEING THAT I KNOW GOES TO A NORMAL THING WHERE THEY WORK EVERY DAY I JUST. DON'T HAVE THAT MY. WIFE TEACHES IN FOR SCHOOLS IN NEW YORK, AND SO SHE IS BUSY EVERY DAY. THAT'S LIKE NORMAL NOBODY, PATTIES THAT. AND SO MY JOB IS, SEEMS LIKE I AM VERY BUSY BECAUSE I'M ON POSTERS AND, IT LOOKS LIKE I AM BUSY. YOU HAVE A LOT OF TIME OFF, AND YOU WOULD GO CRAZY IF YOU AREN'T WORKING. >> IT'S PREDICTABLE UNPREDICTABILITY. THIS WILL BE THE LAST QUESTION, WHAT WAS YOUR MOST FAVORITE PART OF WORKING WITH THIS SHOW, AND THE CAST, WHAT ARE YOU TAKING AWAY FROM IT? >> I WASN'T SURE HOW I WAS ABLE TO MODULATE MY EMOTIONS. I USED TO HAVE THE FEELING THAT EVERY DAY SO SEVERE, BECAUSE IN MOVIES, THERE'S KIND OF A SHORTER WINDOW OF A STORY. YOU ASKED ME MY FAVORITE THING, AND I ENDED UP SAYING SOMETHING THAT REALLY STRESS ME OUT THIS SUMS UP MY PERSONALITY REALLY WELL ONCE. AGAIN, SORRY FOR TURNING ALL OF THESE NICE THINGS INTO MISERY. ANYWAY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> THANK YOU ARE! THANKS TO STEPHANIE RAMOS FOR THAT. YOU